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[reksveks]

Don’t know why everyone is so upset about valve evaluation. 12 billion is generous considering net worth was reportable 3 billion.

According to whom? Cause those people need to redo their maths.

 

[EverydayBeast]

PC gamers are tensing up, in the 2010's steam had portal on consoles since than Steam and Valve have been celebrating a handheld.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

And

This really doesn't matter.

He can say that now and still sell in 5 years.

 

[Andodalf]

Ok so Sony cannot buy them

They can, just need to borrow some money, which is very easy right now. Great rates and inflation on the horizon.

 

[DavJay]

According to whom? Cause those people need to redo their maths.

Steam does well considering it’s hard to stay afloat in the gaming industry but they aren’t as big as people would think. They are private so we don’t really know but they employ just about 400 employees. Valve is a small fish compared to EA and Take Two

 

[Team Andromeda]

I'm ready every Wednesday Jeff

 

[TheGodfather07]

How can it be seen as a show of power?

If your response to a 70 bil purchase is a 4bil purchase, I can assure you no1 see that a sign of how powerful you are. If anything it further proves that MS and Sony are not playing the same game.

Seems like a standard purchase for Sony. They like high quality studios that produce strong IP that has legs.

Bungie are the creators of halo and are now owned by Sony. Of course its a show of power. It doesn't mean Sony need to be as rich as Microsoft.

Sony just broke their record with the price and have said "expect more". Basically it's Sony saying we can spend too and even go after publishers if we want. If sony ended up with square and capcom, are you telling me it isnt s big power move just because they won't cost 70b? This actually makes it look like Microsoft wasted money. They paid that much just for a declining call of duty that would have come to their platform anyway. They could have bought like 20 good studio's for the same price but what do they do? Buy call of duty instead.

 

[DZ_b_EZ]

This forum has gone to poo.

 

[reksveks]

This really doesn't matter.

He can say that now and still sell in 5 years.

It does matter, it might not matter in the future.

I also think that the ftc would be looking at the fact that Sony would have control over a game engine that alot of their competition are using to various levels.

 

[GreatnessRD]

You do realize that us PC gamers haven't owned games in like 10 years or more, right? If your Steam/EA/Whatever Acc gets banned your game library is done for.
On console, you could always just make a new Profile on the same console and throw in the disc and be up and running again. Can't do that on PC if the game isn't on GOG or DRM free.
So I don't know who you're trying to convince.

Well, your account getting ban goes for anything be it console or PC. Secondly, you're assuming the console player buys disk and the stats show buying digital is up, so again, you'll be back to square one if you're banned like you said could happen. And lastly, I don't know what your statement has to do with the convo myself and the other guy was having about the acquisition and how it affects PC. I don't have to convince myself of anything. I don't foresee a situation where PC gamers will settle for locked out content and forced to a subscription service as the other gentlemen replied. But yeah...

 

[darrylgorn]

How about we stick to acquisitions that actually reflect the Playstation brand, like Take Two or Bandai-Namco.

 

[Ezquimacore]

Damn people don't even care about playing games anymore, they just wanna see their favorite company being petty just for that fanboy shit. Y'all getting Horizon forbidden west this month, be excited about it that!!! smfh.

 

[darrylgorn]

Valve is 12B only? Why has nobody bought them yet?

Why would they want to be bought?

People keep forgetting that side of the equation.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Bungie meant a lot to Halo some consider 343 hasn't reached Bungie's level of success with Halo yet, Bungie put a new IP on the map and I get why SONY purchased Bungie, their multiplayer shooter situation is terrible. With Xbox I know I'll get a Halo, Gears of War overtime SONY will have a change of heart and make the next Bungie game exclusive.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Sweet baby jesus

Well, do tell us of your experience in these sort of acquisitions. Which companies have you bought and where does your expertise on the matter come from?

I’m sure you have a plethora of knowledge on this subject. Please, enlighten us.

 

[BabyfaceRe]

Bungie are the creators of halo and are now owned by Sony. Of course its a show of power. It doesn't mean Sony need to be as rich as Microsoft.

Sony just broke their record with the price and have said "expect more". Basically it's Sony saying we can spend too and even go after publishers if we want. If sony ended up with square and capcom, are you telling me it isnt s big power move just because they won't cost 70b? This actually makes it look like Microsoft wasted money. They paid that much just for a declining call of duty that would have come to their platform anyway. They could have bought like 20 good studio's for the same price but what do they do? Buy call of duty instead.

It's clearly not a show of power. You seem to be forgetting that Sony have second pickings behind MS, they only got Bungie because MS didn't want them, it's really that simple.

If they did end up with Square or Capcom that would be a power move, this is not what happened. Bungie own 1 IP, assuming that will lead to publishers being bought up by Sony is a MAJOR stretch. Again totally inline with What Sony have done for years, nothing new or surprising.

A "declining" Call of Duty is worth a million Destiny's, wether you agree with that or not CoD is one of the industry kings. Sony bought 1 game, MS bought a giant market share. MS spending 20% of Sony's entire net worth in one purchase is a power play, this is not that.

 

[mckmas8808]

PlayStation the hardware will continue to exist, but it’s clear for everyone to see and out from Sony’s mouth themselves that the goal is to expand beyond the console.

The point is to sell software, or subs, or MTX, that’s where the business is. The console is just a vehicle.

Of course selling beyond is the console is the goal. But the starting point now and into the far future (for the Playstation brand) will be the console. PSVR2 doesn't exist without the console. Everything PS related begins and revolves around the console.

The console is the cake; whereas subs, MTX, etc is the frosting and whip cream.

 

[RoadHazard]

I ... no ... what ?

You ... yes ... that!

 

[Deerock71]

I bet COD stays multiplat in order for this shit to pass

Through 2023.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It does matter, it might not matter in the future.

I also think that the ftc would be looking at the fact that Sony would have control over a game engine that alot of their competition are using to various levels.

I don't disagree with you.

 

[TheGodfather07]

I think Sony will end up with one of the big Western publishers after Microsoft now getting 2 of them. Things will level off a little bit. They all suck big time but ubisoft would be the best of a bad bunch.

 

[Kilau]

Imagine any deal with that much money involved would get the same review, don't see it failing though.

 

[DevilHunterX0]

And here comes the mental gymnastic team going for the gold.

 

[Moses85]

Only to put Microsoft under pressure so they keep CoD multi...

But who gives a shit about Bungie? Destiny is boring as fuck. They are nothing more than Halo, they will ALWAYS stay in the shadow of Halo.

 

[Fuz]

 

[DevilHunterX0]

Remember when we all used to argue about games?

And then moved on to pixel counting. Good times.

 

[ClosBSAS]

sony will buy capcom...thats my guess...makes sense...or they will buy take two and take gta as exclusive.

 

[RoadHazard]

But if one company makes enough money, haven't they earned the right to own the market?

That's capitalism, isn't it?

Btw, not saying I endorse monopolies, just curious about the moral context behind free markets, etc.

The laws are there to protect consumers, not other businesses. A single company having full (or at least too much) control over a market is never good for consumers, and in the long run it's not good for the market itself either. Competition is healthy, it drives innovation and benefits consumers.

It's still capitalism, just regulated capitalism instead of an uncontrollable free-for-all.

 

[ManaByte]

And here comes the mental gymnastic team going for the gold.

Well it is the Olympics time.

 

[Sophist]

From what i have heard here and there, it's more like Sony got the leftovers; Microsoft supposedly tried to buy Bungie but not for more than $2 billions.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Of course selling beyond is the console is the goal. But the starting point now and into the far future (for the Playstation brand) will be the console. PSVR2 doesn't exist without the console. Everything PS related begins and revolves around the console.

The console is the cake; whereas subs, MTX, etc is the frosting and whip cream.

The console can’t be the cake, the storefront is, the brand, the community. The hardware barely makes any money in comparison. Eventually PSVR will have to be on PC.

I think Sony will end up with one of the big Western publishers after Microsoft now getting 2 of them. Things will level off a little bit. They all suck big time but ubisoft would be the best of a bad bunch.

Ubisoft is mega trash, they should go after SE/Capcom, who have big presence in the West too.

 

[ANDS]

If for some crazy reason this acquisition falls through Jim will probably try to get a refund for Bungie

You think this deal was made in the days following MS purchasing ACT/BLZ?

 

[yurinka]

This time I think it's Tencent.

The Chinese government wouldn't allow to sell Tencent to foreign people, so nobody will buy them.

And doesn't matter who Tencent buys, the acquired studios continue doing whatever they want and have no effect in consoles. Tencent simply invest in other companies that already perform well to profit from it, they don't ask them to change anything, so whoever 3rd party they may buy will continue as multiplatform to maximize profit/revenue.

 

[Interfectum]

Nothing can be as crazy as Activision tbh.

But I do see MS or Sony going after CDPR, they are wounded after Cyberpunk debacle and stock had plummeted hard.

Nah it can get crazier than Activision for sure.

Apple buying Sony.

Sony and Disney merging.

Nintendo buying... uh... squids.

 

[Boss Mog]

$12B is the estimated net worth of Valve, but I never said that's what they would sell for. Activision's net worth was around $20B before MS purchased it for about 3.5 times as much. I admit that I forgot that Valve wasn't publicly traded though, so I guess unless Gabe wants to retire it probably won't happen.

 

[Braag]

 

[Neo_game]

Does anyone know why the Nvidia ARM deal was dropped ? Activision games is going to be on multiple platforms so I do not think there should be a problem. There have also been rumors Microsoft want to have their service on Sony and Nintendo platform as well.

 

[reksveks]

$12B is the estimated net worth of Valve, but I never said that's what they would sell for. Activision's net worth was around $20B before MS purchased it for about 3.5 times as much. I admit that I forgot that Valve wasn't publicly traded though, so I guess unless Gabe wants to retire it probably won't happen.

How did you come to $20B?

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Sony is buying New York Times so they can get Wordle exclusivity.

 

[Mr Branding]

I hate this timeline

 

[BootsLoader]

Come on guys, wtf, it’s like saying that Microsoft is buying studios because Sony is selling more consoles.

 

[Larvana]

Does anyone know why the Nvidia ARM deal was dropped ? Activision games is going to be on multiple platforms so I do not think there should be a problem. There have also been rumors Microsoft want to have their service on Sony and Nintendo platform as well.

Service being on Sony and Nintendo has long sailed, that was done and dealt. It's not happening anytime soon or at all, if so you'll be looking at a few years, and even then Sony could have their own gamepass settled on PC and other consoles, considering this is the future where we're heading.
Nvidia is a different ordeal, it would be giving them 95%
Microsoft on the other hand will be getting third in place if the deal goes through.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[JLB]

Why won't MS just outbid for Valve if that happened?

i dont think it will pass antitrust in MS case.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Does anyone know why the Nvidia ARM deal was dropped ? Activision games is going to be on multiple platforms so I do not think there should be a problem. There have also been rumors Microsoft want to have their service on Sony and Nintendo platform as well.

Because they can't get it past regulators. There's a genuine anti-trust issue there. The FTC is sueing them and the UK, EU and China are also against it.

The AciBliz deal can go either way. Isolated there's not an issue with it going through, but they have to look to the future, especially with this being a tech giant.

 

[lastmessiah]

Bungie are the creators of halo and are now owned by Sony. Of course its a show of power. It doesn't mean Sony need to be as rich as Microsoft.

Sony just broke their record with the price and have said "expect more". Basically it's Sony saying we can spend too and even go after publishers if we want. If sony ended up with square and capcom, are you telling me it isnt s big power move just because they won't cost 70b? This actually makes it look like Microsoft wasted money. They paid that much just for a declining call of duty that would have come to their platform anyway. They could have bought like 20 good studio's for the same price but what do they do? Buy call of duty instead.

If you think COD is all they got with the AB purchase then no one should ever take anything you say seriously.

 

[IKSTUGA]

Nooo make it stop.

 

[tommib]

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Every time i refresh GAF right now i'm afraid of what i'll find.

Fuck it. Throw everything at us. I'll pretend to be shocked as usual.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Oh boy.