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BREAKING: Sony is acquiring Bungie for 3.6b

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
that if they made a clear declaration from the start, that thread would haave not happened.

instead they kept it vague enough for long anough that when they dropped the exclusivity statement, the impact was lessened

same is happening with the actiblitz and bungie deals thus far, all saying they are not here to take games away...until they most likely will because you don't pay billions just for profit margins, especially because if near future profit margins were anough to pay for the acquisition itself, the acquisition price would have been higher

but as i said, i'm no industry mastermind, so maybe no exclusivity makes total sense and i just don't get it.
With Zenimax they were slightly vague until the deal was closed. The day the deal was closed they dropped this
But they still made it obvious with statements like
  • Xbox community, what they should feel is a huge investment in the experience they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem
  • we want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolute best place to play and we think game availability is absolutely part of that
  • “Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VIon the PlayStation?” I asked.

    “Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.
  • I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.
  • our goal is to get as many people into the Xbox community
This is very different from COD where they are saying the opposite.
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
With Zenimax they were slightly vague until the deal was closed. The day the deal was closed they dropped this
But they still made it obvious with statements like
  • Xbox community, what they should feel is a huge investment in the experience they're going to have in the Xbox ecosystem
  • we want the Xbox ecosystem to be the absolute best place to play and we think game availability is absolutely part of that
  • “Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VIon the PlayStation?” I asked.

    “Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.
  • I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.
  • our goal is to get as many people into the Xbox community
This is very different from COD where they are saying the opposite.

no contract is signed yet and with COD Sony have a contract. that will be fulfilled and we see where we go from there I guess
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
KThat is not what I am talking.

Base game being free for gamepass users mean, they will spend money on dlc. Wow subscription being free on gamepass means, more users will play the game, and spend money.

Its not about the games being free on gamepass itself.

Gtg for job now. Talk later.
If its not about the game being free on gamepass, then what the hell are we talking about.?

Destiny is free, with dlc for purchase.
ESO base game costs money, with optional sub and dlc.

How can you compare these two??

The base game is NOT free you are renting it. If you unsub, you don't keep it.

Something you have to pay for is not free.

I don't think there's more ways I can put it for you to understand it.

Also to those of you quoting me about Spencer never hinting at cod will be exclusive.

I can't find the tweet, but Spencer hinted that current communities won't be shut down, which hint to after 2023 cod will only be for master race and green rats.

Spencer said the same shit about Bethesda, until the deal went through. Now they aren't coming to playstation.

If Spencer said they would become exclusive, then the anti trust law would shut down the deal.

The same with Sony and Bungie. I don't believe that Bungie will make third party games after destiny 2.

Time will tell.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
No.

Free to play is a game where all content is free to play… it can be grind and very slowly but you can play everything without put a penny in the game.

Destiny 2 Play for Free is just a trial or demo… you can choose what it is… not even 20% of the game is available to play for free.

Any game that doesn’t have a path to play all content without pay for it… is not free 2 play at all.

Ask Nintendo if Super Mario Run is Free to Play?
The game is free to download. You will be able to download and enjoy a portion of Super Mario Run for free, and you can also enjoy all of the game content available in this release after paying a set purchase price.”

Then destiny 2 is free to download, eso is buy to play.

Happy now?

We were still comparing apples to oranges.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
Then destiny 2 is free to download, eso is buy to play.

Happy now?

We were still comparing apples to oranges.
Yes ESO is Buy to Play... maybe that is a better description for both Destiny 2 and Super Mario Run.

 

Topher

Gold Member
Spencer said the same shit about Bethesda, until the deal went through. Now they aren't coming to playstation.

Phil Spencer made no such statements about the Bethesda deal. Some other executive made some vague statements that were more speculation than anything else. Spencer said nothing of the sort.

If Spencer said they would become exclusive, then the anti trust law would shut down the deal.

Spencer is legally obligated to abide by the statements he has made in the SEC filing.
 

yurinka

Member
Should we expect SIE logo on startup instead of PS Studios though?

20160401-sie-thumbnail.jpg


And shoud the movies be directly made by Sony Pictures or PlayStation Productions? Interesting to see.
Bungie will continue selfpublishing their games under SIE, so no PS Studios logo needed and I assume SIE logo won't be needed, SIE may only appear in the small copyright texts under game the logo screen or something like that. I bet there will be only a Bungie logo on their games.

Regarding movies, PlayStation Productions is the SIE link with external entities who use their game IPs like Sony Pictures, HBO or whoever is involved. So movies of Bungie IPs would have PlayStation Productions logo.

Spencer said the same shit about Bethesda, until the deal went through. Now they aren't coming to playstation.
Phil Spencer made no such statements about the Bethesda deal. Some other executive made some vague statements that were more speculation than anything else. Spencer said nothing of the sort.
Regarding Bethesda it was the Xbox/MS gaming division CFO (Chief of Finantial Operations) who said they didn't plan to make Bethesda games exclusive but instead their strategy for fututre Bethesda stuff is to keep supporting their communities where they are and go 'first or better' on their platforms (so timed console exclusives or full multiplatform). Spencer said that Bethesda exclusivity will be determined in a case by case basis.

Until now all Zenimax console games released after the acquisition (Quake Remastered, Deathloop and soon Ghostwire Tokyo) are on PS, and same goes with all the updates and dlcs of previously released games (Fallout 76, Elder Scrolls Online, Doom Eternal...).

If Spencer said they would become exclusive, then the anti trust law would shut down the deal.
Spencer is legally obligated to abide by the statements he has made in the SEC filing.
In the SEC filing they said they ABK will continue working with their partners in the other platfoms as MS did in previous acquisitions, and did use Minecraft (who got its post acquisition games in non-MS consoles) as example.

Even after the Zenimax and ABK acquisition MS won't be the market leader in gaming, consoles, pc, mobile or game subscriptions, in these markets won't be even the top 2 company and will be barely above 10% of the market share. There shouldn't be any anti trust / monopoly related concerns or issues. They are free to do, say and plan whatever they want.

In fact, since PlayStation is the main platform for AAA multiplatform games to remove future Zenimax and ABK from PS and to put them day one on GP would mean to highly hurt future Zenimax and ABK revenue, so that the revenue they would add to MS gaming division after acquisition would be smaller than the one they had before acquisition, so by making these games exclusive in the future MS would cut less revenue distance vs the competitors above them than to keep the games multiplatform. So to convince monopoly regulators would be better for them to say that all the games will be exclusive and that with that they will highly reduce the revenue from these acquired companies if that twould be the case.
 
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Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Yes ESO is Buy to Play... maybe that is a better description for both Destiny 2 and Super Mario Run.
A large part of the ESO concurrent userbase(probably most) sub to ESO plus because its more affordable to pay a monthly fee then to buy every single expansion plus dlc along with loosing access to other eso plus perks like unlimited crafting bag(especially this, its the biggest reason), monthly crowns and others that seem like a skooma addiction.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Regarding Bethesda it was the Xbox/MS gaming division CFO (Chief of Finantial Operations) who said they didn't plan to make Bethesda games exclusive but instead their strategy for fututre Bethesda stuff is to keep supporting their communities where they are and go 'first or better' on their platforms (so timed console exclusives or full multiplatform).

Yeah, it was Tim Stuart. Here is the quote:

"Stuart said directly that "in the long run... we don't have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise. But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms."


So if he was just talking out of his ass then it is what it is, but it is a big difference when you are making statements in a SEC filing.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Yes ESO is Buy to Play... maybe that is a better description for both Destiny 2 and Super Mario Run.

ESO has always been buy to play.

Free to play meaning on Wikipedia:

"Free-to-play (F2P or FtP) video games are games that give players access to a significant portion of their content without paying or don't require paying to continue playing. Free-to-play is distinct from traditional commercial software, which requires a payment before using the game or service. It is also separate from free games, usually referred to as freeware, which are entirely costless. Free-to-play's model is sometimes derisively referred to as free-to-start due to not being entirely free.[1]"

Why do we have to discuss what free to play is, and why is it bad that destiny 2 is free to play and eso ain't?
 

ethomaz

Banned
ESO has always been buy to play.

Free to play meaning on Wikipedia:

"Free-to-play (F2P or FtP) video games are games that give players access to a significant portion of their content without paying or don't require paying to continue playing. Free-to-play is distinct from traditional commercial software, which requires a payment before using the game or service. It is also separate from free games, usually referred to as freeware, which are entirely costless. Free-to-play's model is sometimes derisively referred to as free-to-start due to not being entirely free.[1]"

Why do we have to discuss what free to play is, and why is it bad that destiny 2 is free to play and eso ain't?
Destiny 2 is not free to play.
There is nothing bad with anything... it just it is not.

Warframe is F2P.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Destiny 2 is not free to play.
There is nothing bad with anything... it just it is not.

Warframe is F2P.
Warframe is f2p with better mtx.

Destiny is f2p with optional buy able content, just as the link describes.
 

kingfey

Banned
If its not about the game being free on gamepass, then what the hell are we talking about.?

Destiny is free, with dlc for purchase.
ESO base game costs money, with optional sub and dlc.

How can you compare these two??

The base game is NOT free you are renting it. If you unsub, you don't keep it.

Something you have to pay for is not free.

I don't think there's more ways I can put it for you to understand it.
You are getting this free game stuff wrongly. You are paying money to access those games.
Eso would be free for you, since you are paying for gamepass. As a consumer, I am not paying for that game, but the service that has the game. It comes to me as no additional cost.

Plus the topic was about halo infinite being designed around subscription service. ESO was just an example.


Also to those of you quoting me about Spencer never hinting at cod will be exclusive.

I can't find the tweet, but Spencer hinted that current communities won't be shut down, which hint to after 2023 cod will only be for master race and green rats.

Spencer said the same shit about Bethesda, until the deal went through. Now they aren't coming to playstation.

If Spencer said they would become exclusive, then the anti trust law would shut down the deal.

The same with Sony and Bungie. I don't believe that Bungie will make third party games after destiny 2.

Time will tell.
Ad others said, he is legally can't say that, until deal is closed. Activision doesn't belong to MS, until the buying deal is done. So he can't come out and say, it's exclusive immediately.

Samething happened to bethesda. The exclusive talk started after the deal was done.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Warframe is f2p with better mtx.

Destiny is f2p with optional buy able content, just as the link describes.
Just because somebody wanted to write on Wikipedia you mean.
The guy even uses a article quote that doesn't agree with what he wrote.


Destiny is free, with dlc for purchase.
That is not the case btw.
Destiny free part doesn't contempt the full base game.
You need to pay to play the full base game.

It is very limited.

The actual content you can play for free today (it will change after Feb 22):

Destinations:

•Have FULL access to:

-EDZ

-Cosmodrome

-Nessus



•Have LIMITED access to:

-Europa

-Tangled Shore2

-Dreaming City

-The Moon



Campaigns/Quests:

•Have FULL access to:

-New Light

-New Light-related crucible/gambit/vanguard Quests



•Have LIMITED (first mission only) access to:

-Forsaken 2

-Shadowkeep

-Beyond Light



Activities:

•Have FULL access to:

-Crucible

-Vanguard

-Gambit

You can't access base locations.
You can't access base Nightmare.
You can't access base Raids.
Etc.

It is a limited trial for base content.
 
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kingfey

Banned
Of course they do. SE was laughing stock because XIII trilogy and the shitshow that was XV. It wasn't until VIIRE and KH3 were released that they regained some respect and good faith. So, yeah, Bethesda really needs to prove themselves after the shitshow that was FO76.
Bethesda haven't even done mainline series after fallout4, and skyrim. Fo76 was Online game.

Bethesda should be judged by their SP games, which they are excellent on it.
 

kingfey

Banned
So basically spending money on a game you don't own lol. In a MMO I can understand because it's a service from inception but buying DLC for a single player game you don't own just sounds stupid to be honest. The main reason I can't stand GP and others subscriptions like it.

Would be like subbing to Netflix and you only have access to 3/4 of the movie only to find out you have to pay extra for the last part lol. The full game and all it's components should be available when you subscribe, at least make it make sense MS.

Unfortunately kids and other people that buy into will be allowed to be taken advantage of by this model.
Unlike your reasoning, there are other games on the service. If a person joins the service, because of 1 mmo game, that is on them.
 

kingfey

Banned
You know what's the dumbest thing ever?

Buying a company for $68.7 billion, then instantly wiping out half the value by taking the only real asset of the platform it makes most of it's money from..

I think more than 50% of CoD players are on PlayStation.

Some might go to PC and/or xbox, the majority will not.

For you to be suggesting as much is a reach at best.

Luckily for MS, Spencer isn't retarded.

CoD games will remain on PlayStation irrespective of Sony allowing GamePass to join PSN.

No one at Microsoft is willing to bet 50% of the value of the value of Activision, on the hopes it drives sales of consoles they don't really care about.

This is not Bethesda which is chump change in comparison, CoD generates more money on PS than it does on PC and xbox combined.
You know what also the dumbest thing, calling Playstation 50% of COD, when the ps5 isn't even 20m. By the end of this year, it would be 35m.

Ms can easily recoup that from pc. You guys think, ps4 would have next gen games easily. Those 120m users is gone, once next gen games start dropping fast.
 
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yurinka

Member
So if he was just talking out of his ass then it is what it is, but it is a big difference when you are making statements in a SEC filing.
I suggest you to read the proper full transcription of the interview instead of the arstechica article to get a more complete an unbiased idea of what he said:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...interactive-entertainment-virtual?part=single

He wasn't 'suspecting' or saying things out of his ass. This guy is the MS gaming division CFO, meaning that he's the guy in charge of the financials of the MS gaming division and there is nobody else above him regarding financials in that division so he knows a thing or two about stuff about the acquisitions that costs them Billions and how do they plan to recoup them. He said this:

"And we said this as part of the announcement. When we think about Bethesda, it's going to be the continuing to allow -- I'll say allow, but continue to sell their games on the platforms that they exist today, and we'll determine what that looks over time and will change over time. I'm not making any announcements about exclusivity or something like that. But that model will change.

But really, it's about how do you take that content and put it into a service like Game Pass to drive that subscription of the North Star metric? So I think the long -- the short answer to your question is we'll continue to look at content, we will continue to look at bolstering our first-party studios. And as always, if the right value is there with the right content creators with the right IP, we'll continue to look at opportunities like that."

Then later in the interview:

"Alex Giaimo

That's helpful. And another question we're getting from the line here is with the acquisition of Bethesda, is the plan to make certain Bethesda franchises, like Fallout and DOOM, exclusive to Xbox? Or will you still support cross-platform play?

Tim Stuart

Yes. The goal here is, we're -- I'll say it from a cross-platform perspective. Microsoft is a platform. We're one of the first to really support Minecraft, Roadblock, Fortnite across platforms. So we highly encourage cross-platform play, simply from this landscape of, if it's good for the gaming ecosystem, it's good for us, classic rising tide lifts all boats.

What we'll do in the long run is we don't have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise. But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms. We will want Bethesda content to show up the best as -- on our platforms.

Yes. That's not a point about being exclusive. That's not a point about we're being -- adjusting timing or content or road map. But if you think about something like Game Pass, if it shows up best in Game Pass, that's what we want to see, and we want to drive our Game Pass subscriber base through that Bethesda pipeline.

So again, I'm not announcing pulling content from platforms one way or the other. But I suspect you'll continue to see us shift towards a first or better or best approach on our platforms."


TLDR: Their main goal acquiring Bethesda was to secure content for Gamepass instead. "What they'll do in the long run" isn't "pulling content out from platforms / Sony or Nintendo", instead to have these games "in the long run" "either first or better" on their platforms.

Ms can easily recoup that from pc. You guys think, ps4 would have next gen games easily. Those 120m users is gone, once next gen games start dropping fast.
According to Sony 111 Million of their PS users were active in December, they aren't gone.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You are paying money to access those games.
Eso would be free for you, since you are paying for gamepass.
I still need to pay to play it.

Besides, many people are playing outside of game pass.

I can play destiny 2 no need to pay for anything.
I can't do the same with eso.


Just because somebody wanted to write on Wikipedia you mean.
The guy even uses a article quote that doesn't agree with what he wrote.
I can't help you.

Destiny 2 is free to play, whenever you wanna spin it as free to download or whatever.

You won't accept it for some weird reason.

You two guys are trolling me at this point, and apparently I fell for it lol
 

ethomaz

Banned
I can't help you.

Destiny 2 is free to play, whenever you wanna spin it as free to download or whatever.

You won't accept it for some weird reason.

You two guys are trolling me at this point, and apparently I fell for it lol
You still needs to pay to play Destiny 2.
Warframe not.

BTW I found a good site with what is play for free on Destiny 2 today:


You can barely touch the base game lol
Call it a Trial or Demo but it is obvious not Free to Play ;)
 
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ethomaz

Banned
No, I don't.

Maybe I get a shitty game, but that's on Bungie of making a shitty game with shitty mtx.

But I can still play it for free if I want to.
So in your mind it is free to play but you have to buy it lol
I guess that creates a new model in the industry "Free to play but not free to play" or "Paid Free to Play".
 
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Swift_Star

Banned
Bethesda haven't even done mainline series after fallout4, and skyrim. Fo76 was Online game.

Bethesda should be judged by their SP games, which they are excellent on it.
Nah, they should be judged by all games they released and the few last games were trash. They have to prove themselves.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, it was Tim Stuart. Here is the quote:

"Stuart said directly that "in the long run... we don't have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise. But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms."


So if he was just talking out of his ass then it is what it is, but it is a big difference when you are making statements in a SEC filing.

I ask again, why is so much stock being put into this quote from 2020 when we have clearer statements after ward which directly contradict it ? Going by the article, Stuart made those statements in a conference, not in some official filing documents.

Todd Howard also said this shortly after the deal was announced:

Also last month, Fallout and Elder Scrolls producer Todd Howard hinted that it was "hard to imagine" the next Elder Scrolls game as a Microsoft exclusive.

But Phil has also contradicted that as of late 2021, i-e after the deal finalized and closed.

This is an incredibly odd line of reasoning to continue on when both Phil and Aaron have on multiple occasions clarified the status of games like Starfield and TES VI in the last year.

no contract is signed yet and with COD Sony have a contract. that will be fulfilled and we see where we go from there I guess


Exactly. We already know via official channels that there's a 3 game contract left, anything after that is gravy, named CoDs will likely become exclusive while WarZone 2 will be the multi platform cash cow.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
I ask again, why is so much stock being put into this quote from 2020 when we have clearer statements after ward which directly contradict it ? Going by the article, Stuart made those statements in a conference, not in some official filing documents.

Todd Howard also said this shortly after the deal was announced:



But Phil has also contradicted that as of late 2021, i-e after the deal finalized and closed.

This is an incredibly odd line of reasoning to continue on when both Phil and Aaron have on multiple occasions clarified the status of games like Starfield and TES VI in the last year.

Not sure why you are quoting me since I'm not the one who even brought it up. And I'm not the one suggesting that Microsoft is following the exact same script with Activision as the Bethesda deal.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not sure why you are quoting me since I'm not the one who even brought it up. And I'm not the one suggesting that Microsoft is following the exact same script with Activision as the Bethesda deal.

Quoting your post since you're linking to the same outdated 2020 quote from Stuart.

I've already replied to Yurinka a few times with more recent statements from Phil and Aaron but they keep bringing up that 2020 quote over and over again, it's a bit of a dead end argument on all fronts.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Quoting your post since you're linking to the same outdated 2020 quote from Stuart.

I've already replied to Yurinka a few times with more recent statements from Phil and Aaron but they keep bringing up that 2020 quote over and over again, it's a bit of a dead end argument on all fronts.

Only reason I linked to it was because The_Mike The_Mike incorrectly attributed those comments to Phil Spencer.

Edit: That and pointing out that these statements are not the same as a SEC filing regardless how anyone wants to argue about them.
 
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LQX

Member
I think the only reason they're so matter of fact about staying multiplatform is because Bungie likely did not plan a sequel number change from Destiny 2 for years to come, but rather would keep updating Destiny 2 like they have been doing, which makes sense as it is a MMO. Moreover, their next game too is likely years and years away, so yeah, pretty easy for them to stay committed to be multiplatform for now as no way they could just pull Destiny 2 from other storefronts. Let's revisit their stance 3-5 years from now when they're ready to drop their new game.
 

Shubh_C63

Member
Destiny 2 is free to play, whenever you wanna spin it as free to download or whatever.
It really isn't, their selling model let them say its F2P but calling a game RPG doesn't really make it actual-RPG. kinda same case here.

Does a game becomes F2P if you can play say first 2 missions over and over again and the rest 10 is under paid content.
Their is no sustained userbase of F2P players, they either convert or goes away.

edit: a better way to describe would be, Destiny 2 F2P is actually a Free Demo.
 
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sainraja

Member
You still needs to pay to play Destiny 2.
Warframe not.

BTW I found a good site with what is play for free on Destiny 2 today:


You can barely touch the base game lol
Call it a Trial or Demo but it is obvious not Free to Play ;)
If you really want to make a distinction then you can say it's a hybrid BUT the areas you can access in the F2P mode of Destiny is exactly that → It is free to play. If you want more out of the game, then you can put some money down.
 
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kingfey

Banned
Nah, they should be judged by all games they released and the few last games were trash. They have to prove themselves.
Only 1 game, out of great hits they released. And that game is good now, compared to launch window.

If Bethesda fails with starfield, then they are shit. If not, then they are good.
 

kingfey

Banned
According to Sony 111 Million of their PS users were active in December, they aren't gone.
They are gone, once COD releases next gen game.
That is what MS is banking on.

I dont know what game that is being released in 2023-2024, will support cross gen.
 

DJ12

Member
You know what also the dumbest thing, calling Playstation 50% of COD, when the ps5 isn't even 20m. By the end of this year, it would be 35m.

Ms can easily recoup that from pc. You guys think, ps4 would have next gen games easily. Those 120m users is gone, once next gen games start dropping fast.
It should go without saying, but you do know PlayStation does not just mean PS5?

Also, PS4 isn't going to disappear, although I understand with your head in Microsoft's camp, you don't understand that consoles can and are supported for many years after a new console has been released.

And again, Spencer isn't retarded, so will support where the users are, no one is forcing "this gen" on people due to the present circumstances.

In your world, when PS5s are readily available, all PS4s will be disabled which is clearly not going to happen.

CoD for PS3 was released 3 years after the PS4 was released, that's without Covid, and it being a completely different Architecture.

You think CoD isn't going to be released for longer on PS4 this time round with everything going on in the World?

Ultimately, what you flawed logic and xbox cool-aid is saying is you think Microsoft are all idiots, willing to throw money away.

Ms can easily recoup that from pc.
Of course they CAN, but evidence proves that CoD is a console game these days.

Facts back this up, not your fanboy wet dreams.
 

ethomaz

Banned
If you really want to make a distinction then you can say it's a hybrid BUT the areas you can access in the F2P mode of Destiny is exactly that → It is free to play. If you want more out of the game, then you can put some money down.
Free To Play games are games with you can play fully from start to end without need to pay it.
Of course it can have a grind and slowly progression but everything is there to you free to play.

Just look at Fortnite, Freefire, Warframe, Saint Seiya Awakening, Genshin Impact, etc... they are all F2P.

I even give Super Mario Run example of what it not F2P... in that game you have 1 world you can try and play for free... after that you need to pay for the other worlds.... that is not F2P.

Destiny play for free is like Super Mario Run except that you are even more limited or with content removed.... you can't play fully the base game or any of its expansions... you can play some activities, locations, etc.

When you can play just a part of the game no matter how much of it we call it Trial...
There is Demos too but the difference is that Demo doesn't exactly has the same that will be shipped on the final game and it is done in development time to test features.
Trial is exactly the same final game limited by what you can do just like Destiny.

Destiny 2 has a Trial version.
 
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FO4 trash? It was well received. Saying something like I didnt like it, or it wasnt my thing is one thing. Your desperation to paint Bethesda in a negative light and now prove themselves to the world is telling on what you are.
You're talking to one of the most hopelessly delusional Sony fanboys on here, only that yurinka guy is more insane.
 
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zedinen

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Microsoft has probably made a strategic mistake

From its inception, PlayStation has been treated like a side business which became an accidental success. PlayStation, which accounted for 60% of Sony's free cash flow in FY20, has been nothing more than a cash cow to rebuild Sony's bloated empire.

Strategic Investments FY (2018 - 20)
Sony 1.4 trillion yen (PlayStation 5%)



Invested capital by segment (FY20)


1. Music ¥882.5 bn
2. I&SS 879.7 bn
3. Pictures ¥769.5 bn
4. G&NS ¥489.6 bn
5. EP&S ¥399.8 bn



Return on invested capital by segment (FY21 FCT)


1.G&NS 43.2%
2.EP&S 20.4%
3. Music 11.1%
4. I&SS 9.4%
5. Pictures 6.8%

Suddenly, Microsoft has put PlayStation in a corner and Sony has fallen 15% in 2022.



Microsoft's exhibition of brute force has knocked some sense into Yoshida and Totoki's heads

They've probably realized that the 80s are gone, Sony is living in the Big Tech era and can only be successful if they follow a PlayStation-centric model


Strategic Investments FY 2021

Sony 850 billion yen (PlayStation 40%)


A small company like Take-Two plans to acquire Zynga in a $12.7 billion deal ($3.50 in cash and $6.36 in Take-Two shares for each share of Zynga)

Sony has a vast array of resources at its disposal, and Microsoft, in the face of antitrust scrutiny, won't be able to compete in the M&A market (Activision trades at a big discount)

A PlayStation centric-Sony would be an unexpected nightmarish scenario for Microsoft. The ball is on Yoshida&Totoki's court.



Sony's strength FY21 (billion yen)

Operating Cash Flow 940 (w/o Financial Services)

Total Assets 9,883 (w/o Financial Services)

Long-Term debt 687 (w/o Financial Services)



Market Cap (second largest company in Japan)

Corporate Ratings A-
 

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Microsoft has probably made a strategic mistake

From its inception, PlayStation has been treated like a side business which became an accidental success. PlayStation, which accounted for 60% of Sony's free cash flow in FY20, has been nothing more than a cash cow to rebuild Sony's bloated empire.

Strategic Investments FY (2018 - 20)
Sony 1.4 trillion yen (PlayStation 5%)



Invested capital by segment (FY20)


1. Music ¥882.5 bn
2. I&SS 879.7 bn
3. Pictures ¥769.5 bn
4. G&NS ¥489.6 bn
5. EP&S ¥399.8 bn



Return on invested capital by segment (FY21 FCT)


1.G&NS 43.2%
2.EP&S 20.4%
3. Music 11.1%
4. I&SS 9.4%
5. Pictures 6.8%

Suddenly, Microsoft has put PlayStation in a corner and Sony has fallen 15% in 2022.



Microsoft's exhibition of brute force has knocked some sense into Yoshida and Totoki's heads

They've probably realized that the 80s are gone, Sony is living in the Big Tech era and can only be successful if they follow a PlayStation-centric model


Strategic Investments FY 2021

Sony 850 billion yen (PlayStation 40%)


A small company like Take-Two plans to acquire Zynga in a $12.7 billion deal ($3.50 in cash and $6.36 in Take-Two shares for each share of Zynga)

Sony has a vast array of resources at its disposal, and Microsoft, in the face of antitrust scrutiny, won't be able to compete in the M&A market (Activision trades at a big discount)

A PlayStation centric-Sony would be an unexpected nightmarish scenario for Microsoft. The ball is on Yoshida&Totoki's court.



Sony's strength FY21 (billion yen)

Operating Cash Flow 940 (w/o Financial Services)

Total Assets 9,883 (w/o Financial Services)

Long-Term debt 687 (w/o Financial Services)



Market Cap (second largest company in Japan)

Corporate Ratings A-
So Microsoft can’t do anything for years because of anti-trust, yet Sony who are market leaders can somehow go on a publisher acquisition spree and nobody will bat an eyelid. Sounds plausible
 
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