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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

No, I wouldn’t. But it’s the same argument as the West spending money in Africa because ‘they live in bad conditions and need help’.

Of course I am speaking in a position of wealth and safety, and I want to keep it that way - since when this is a problem?
How is this anything like giving money to Africa?

Anyway, if that's the way you look at things I can only say you're very selfish and there is no point in discussing with you. Pretty surprising coming from someone who is supporting all the current gender/pronoun bullshit too.
 
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Yes? What’s the alternative? Mind you, this is on the West as well, including Merkel’s disastrous decisions to close nuclear power plants following tsunami in Japan. Now they are talking about reopening coal plants…

Here the deal - Ukraine is one country, and the whole EU is suffering. Inflation in the Eurozone is close to 8%, in Poland it’s 12-13%. I can guarantee when winter comes and industries will have to start shutting down due to no power available this thing will be over very soon, and not in a good way for Ukraine.
You're an idiot too

During ww1 and 2 inflation in my country was higher than now, and guess what, Europe survived. In fact it could double and we'd still be able to survive

Industries kept going through multiple winters back then and will run perfectly fine now
 
Really? We are doing this now? Are you going to ask his mom to shut him up?
His opinion is not controversial AT ALL.
It is obvious Russian will drag this for years and years. They have unlimited amounts of resources.
I am polish and WE KNOW THIS. This is obvious stuff if you know how Russians operate.
Ukraine might be getting gear and support for years but there will be nothing left fighting for at some point...
USA will send one packed Humvee and russia will send 10 ladas in this place. It's always been like that.
Maybe they will run out of resources sooner than later... but I wouldn't count on it. They do not act logical
And that is Ukraines call on when that is, not yours comrade
 

Cyberpunkd

Member
You're an idiot too

During ww1 and 2 inflation in my country was higher than now, and guess what, Europe survived. In fact it could double and we'd still be able to survive

Industries kept going through multiple winters back then and will run perfectly fine now
Sure, tell that to all the people losing their jobs because businesses have to close. Or maybe you think the owners should just subsidise them with their own money? That’s fair, but they don’t have much since everyone is trying to tax them more all the time.
 
It doesn’t affect me, why do I care what others do? People in general seem to spend way to much time judging and thinking about others, not themselves.
You're right. Screw the raped baby, the countless murdered civilians, the tortured ones. What about my gas prices? I'm also speaking from a position of 'safety' as I work 99% from home so my car is collecting dust most of the time and I can pay a big part of my gas/electricity with my company's money. But privately I still lose money and I'm 'ok' with that because it's for a good reason. It's called empathy.

Sure, tell that to all the people losing their jobs because businesses have to close. Or maybe you think the owners should just subsidise them with their own money? That’s fair, but they don’t have much since everyone is trying to tax them more all the time.
Why do you suddenly care about people losing their job? Or are you one of those people?
 
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Sure, tell that to all the people losing their jobs because businesses have to close. Or maybe you think the owners should just subsidise them with their own money? That’s fair, but they don’t have much since everyone is trying to tax them more all the time.
What the fuck do you think happened during other conflicts? Are you that stupid?
New industries start up during war time then go back to preexisting industries afterwards. There are plenty of jobs. The government will help anyone with a cause as we're all in it together. What counts as enough to you includes wifi, pizza and a car. What realistically is enough is a room to sleep and basic food

Don't like it? Go to glorious Russia, the land of milk and honey
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Sure, tell that to all the people losing their jobs because businesses have to close. Or maybe you think the owners should just subsidise them with their own money? That’s fair, but they don’t have much since everyone is trying to tax them more all the time.

Do you understand what actually happens during a war?

This line you’re taking is extremely naive. In warfare on this scale, in an area of this strategic importance, there are always economic and social effects that ripple far out from it.

I don’t know how old you are, but it strikes me that you’ve never really experienced warfare in your adult lifetime, and this is all coming as a shock to you. You’ve lived in comfort and security all your life, and are just now realising that these things are not immutable and ever lasting.

Here’s the bottom line: the job losses, the economic strain, the cost of living crisis… all these things are worth it to stop Russia, and punish it for its war atrocities. Because this kind of fascism cannot be allowed to go unchecked.

If you want your lovely, comfortable life to go on for many years, people like Putin have to be stopped, even if that means you have a suffer a bit.
 
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zombrex

Member
- So what you're saying is that if a country invades a weaker country, they should just surrender and we as 'the west', should turn a blind eye?
- How do you know what politicians are saying in private? Sources please.
- Sure giving them weapons is not just about helping them, but also about causing harm to a disgusting country.
- Of course Russia can 'win' if they want to. Just like the US could easily 'win' in Vietnam by just bombing everything and everyone without looking.
- You casually ignored my serious reply when saying that they already tried negotiating. Before AND during this war. Some people even showed signs of poisoning during the negotiations. So yeah, seems like a good idea.
- When was, as you put it, 'Ukraine in a position of power'? When they kicked out their Russian proxy government?
- You do realize that the Russians have now changed the reason for invading about 10 times? NATO expansion, Nazis, Anti-Russian genocide, returned land to the motherland,.... how the fuck do you negotiate with someone like that?
- I know you've seen all the horrors the Russians have caused, including a guy posting pictures of himself RAPING A BABY? You think Ukrainians are willing to surrender to people like that? We should just all forgive them? You think it's 'the west's' fault for at least giving them a chance to not be murdered, oppressed, raped?

Your posts just read like 'Please let them take Ukraine, because I'm paying 30 bucks more for my gas'. I hate it too, but I'm not over there having my children blown up/raped, so I'll take the punch to my wallet if that means those people have at least a fighting chance and get some hope they wont end up in a russian proxy shithole like Belarus.
No, I never said that.
That's what YOU are saying.
No one is denying Russia is at fault for starting the war.
Please avoid straw man arguments.
Please read my post and think rationally.

Russia is making more money than ever before selling its gas to Germany, Italy, Netherlands, India and South Korea and more. The EU has even approved a loophole that allows European countries to buy oil from Russia through an intermediary bank! Russia is not suffering from these sanctions in fact the increased prices have benefited them! The ruble is now stronger than before the war. Nato has sent 54 billion to Russia for fuel sales since the war started.
All of us paying more for fuel is HELPING RUSSIA, while also hurting OUR economies. It's literally a lose-lose situation. The US is even negotiating deals to get MORE exports from Russia because western governments know and recognise this despite the outward posturing.

This link is getting blocked possibly. Search Bloomberg us-quietly-urges-russia-fertilizer-deals-to-unlock-grain-trade.

 
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zombrex

Member
The Z avatar fits you well. The irony of a z-bot calling my family and friends in Ukraine pawns.. Their hopes and dreams of just living life in peace worth nothing, only good to be sacrificed via rape, torture and murder. Fuck you, and sincerely so.
That's not an avatar is the default display because I don't use one and have never done so.
An unfortunate coincidence.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Russia is making more money than ever before selling its gas to Germany, Italy, Netherlands, India and South Korea and more. The EU has even approved a loophole that allows European countries to buy oil from Russia through an intermediary bank! Russia is not suffering from these sanctions in fact the increased prices have benefited them! The ruble is now stronger than before the war. Nato has sent 54 billion to Russia for fuel sales since the war started.
All of us paying more for fuel is HELPING RUSSIA, while also hurting OUR economies. It's literally a lose-lose situation. The US is even negotiating deals to get MORE exports from Russia because western governments know and recognise this despite the outward posturing.

Yes. We’re all being forced to suffer, due to the mistakes of western governments, primarily the EU nations. It will take a long time to disentangle from Russian dependency.

This does not mean we sacrifice the Ukrainians, so our energy bills can drop.

It will continue to be a lose-lose situation, because us suffering economic loss is worth it to punish Russia over the long term, which will happen as economics changes come into effect.

But for now, we've got to suck it up. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

And NATO hasn't sent a penny to Russia. What the hell are you talking about? You mean the EU, right?
 
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Here’s the bottom line: the job losses, the economic strain, the cost of living crisis… all these things are worth it to stop Russia, and punish it for its war atrocities.
Bolded is yet to be determined. So far Russia hasn't been stopped, and the reprecussions of this war for the EU and other critical parts of the world (north Africa for example) are still unknown.
 
No, I never said that.
That's what YOU are saying.
No one is denying Russia is at fault for starting the war.
Please avoid straw man arguments.
Please read my post and think rationally.

Russia is making more money than ever before selling its gas to Germany, Italy, Netherlands, India and South Korea and more. The EU has even approved a loophole that allows European countries to buy oil from Russia through an intermediary bank! Russia is not suffering from these sanctions in fact the increased prices have benefited them! The ruble is now stronger than before the war. Nato has sent 54 billion to Russia for fuel sales since the war started.
All of us paying more for fuel is HELPING RUSSIA, while also hurting OUR economies. It's literally a lose-lose situation. The US is even negotiating deals to get MORE exports from Russia because western governments know and recognise this despite the outward posturing.

This link is getting blocked possibly. Search Bloomberg us-quietly-urges-russia-fertilizer-deals-to-unlock-grain-trade.


Ok, so does that mean we should let Russia do whatever they want until we can get rid of our energy dependencies of them? Tell me, what if they announce they'll invade Kazakhstan next? Or any other none NATO country? When is enough enough? If you don't at least try and nip it in the butt now, it will only get worse (see Nazi Germany as an example).

Because that's the only reason they are still getting so much money. The Rubble might be worth a lot, but the Russian people are suffering and are feeling the pain of these sanctions. Sure Putin and his cronies are getting money for their warchest (read their own pockets), but it will be hard to use that money to build war materials when the things needed to build them are sanctioned. We know there is a catch 22 going on currently and sadly there is no fast way out unless the Russian people grow a spine and revolt.

Let's also not forget the Russians defaulted on their debt for the first time in decades. So yes, the sanctions are doing something even if the Kremlin is popping up the Rubble.

I'm always curious as to what the plan of people like you is? Just let Russia have part of Ukraine like with Crimea? Please enlighten me.
 
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Bolded is yet to be determined. So far Russia hasn't been stopped, and the reprecussions of this war for the EU and other critical parts of the world (north Africa for example) are still unknown.
The whole of Europe was taken by nazi Germany before a concentrated effort by a group of allied nations decided to push back, years after the initial takeover.

Do you guys not study history at all?
 

Alx

Member
The whole of Europe was taken by nazi Germany before a concentrated effort by a group of allied nations decided to push back, years after the initial takeover.

Do you guys not study history at all?
History tells us that Nazi Germany was beaten by sending occupation troops right into Berlin itself, only then did the war stop. That is not an option currently with Russia, with the risk of nuclear war and all.
The Ukrainian front is more similar to WWI with never ending fights, fueled by foreign support but that only ended when the German Kaiser was destituted.
The west isn’t in control of the war. Its best hope is to have a coup in Russia that gets rid of Putin, assuming that the new government would entirely retreat from Ukraine. Which isn’t exactly a likely scenario. In the meantime it’s about giving enough ressources to Ukraine so that they don’t lose, but they don’t exactly have a winning strategy in place. The longer the war lasts, the less likely it is they’ll go back to their original and lawful borders. Sure it’s unfair since Russia is the invader and has no rights to its claims, but war isn’t fair. That’s what history taught us too.
 
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FunkMiller

Gold Member
Bolded is yet to be determined. So far Russia hasn't been stopped, and the reprecussions of this war for the EU and other critical parts of the world (north Africa for example) are still unknown.

This war started in February. Of course they haven’t been stopped yet. It’s going to take years to degrade Russia’s military and economic capabilities. And that’s all worth it, because of what they have done, and would otherwise continue to do.
 
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Tams

Member
Critical thinking = zbot or fanboy on this forum. DONT USE YOUR BRAIN or express your own opinion
Go on then, justify Z zombrex 's posts.

Apparently you have good critical thinking skills, so I expect 500 words minimum. Shall we say, by this time tomorrow? That should be ample time.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Go on then, justify Z zombrex 's posts.

Apparently you have good critical thinking skills, so I expect 500 words minimum. Shall we say, by this time tomorrow? That should be ample time.
There is nothing to justify. His posts are fine. At least last few I've seen.
Anyway. I am done with close minded people like you. I dont want to engage
 

Tams

Member
There is nothing to justify. His posts are fine. At least last few I've seen.
Anyway. I am done with close minded people like you. I dont want to engage
His posts are not 'fine'. But you're not listening anymore, so whatever

Hopefully you get yourself banned.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
His posts are not 'fine'. But you're not listening anymore, so whatever

Hopefully you get yourself banned.
Maybe I've not seen all of his posts. only last few.
What did he say wrong?
And why would I get banned? What did I do wrong now?
What is wrong with you people. Unable to have open discussion? Is this really how brainwashed everyone is nowadays?
There are tons of ukrainians in my city. Ukraine is my border friend country. There is nothing I want more than best of luck for them... it has direct impact on Poland.
So shut the fuck up and stop making Russia supporters of everyone that has any fucking will of thinking for their own.

People who do not agree with you =/= Russia supporters or ban deserving out of thin air.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Guys can you least read the post and respond to the points being made, not just the outrage reactions. The west is giving billions to Ukraine but it's not helping significantly, just prolonging the war and suffering for everyone. The west is not giving Ukraine billions because of pure philanthropy, everything has a reason and that is to try to weaken Russia for geopolitical reasons.
Ukraine is a pawn and can't win in the long term, it's not a controversial idea, that's what most the experts are saying. This war is poised to go on for years at this rate but it will be Russia who benefits from such a situation. Ukraine's manpower has been greatly reduced and in private politicians are already conceding Russia will keep much of the territory it has gained.
People need to see the true situation. This is beyond supporting Ukraine, those wishing this to continue are willing to Ukraine's demise whether they realise it or not.

Furthermore, I don't appreciate being called a Russian supporter, zbot and other baseless responses that are personal attacks and not based on the point. I expect that on that other website not here.
If we look aside from apologizing imperialism in 21st... You see, if Russia could have been trusted with their ambitions and plans, then this post would be something to think about. But I guess you never had been under Russian occupation and what it means for your country. Even now, in Russian controlled parts, there is literally a genocide and deportation of Ukrainian people. Not only that but Russia actively targets any place of cultural significance. Thus also erasing Ukrainian culture. I understand the concerns, but would you say in 80ties that Afghanistan could lived through USSR occupation?

Also weakening Russia or any other rogue super power is a good thing, especially dictator regimes like Russia, China, etc...

The suffering does not really ends with Ukraine, shitty inbred state of Russia, has been terrorizing countries for decades now and if they are not reduced to shreds, suffering will continue. Russia only understands power and if they don't have anyone to tell them to fuck off, they will continue on crusades. Russia gave zero fucks about human life and it always have been this way, look at how many Russians died while fighting Hitler... This sort of culture shouldn't be allowed in 21st.

Really? We are doing this now? Are you going to ask his mom to shut him up?
His opinion is not controversial AT ALL.
It is obvious Russian will drag this for years and years. They have unlimited amounts of resources.
I am polish and WE KNOW THIS. This is obvious stuff if you know how Russians operate.
Ukraine might be getting gear and support for years but there will be nothing left fighting for at some point...
USA will send one packed Humvee and russia will send 10 ladas in this place. It's always been like that.
Maybe they will run out of resources sooner than later... but I wouldn't count on it. They do not act logical
Given Polish history, it make no sense for Polish person to be okay, just to give up. Poland would look quite a bit different if people would to act like this.

Also would you really want to have Russian next to you, if Nato and Ukrainians should just give in?

Also are you OK that in 99% Russia most likely killed your state representatives in 2010 while flying to Smolensk/Katyň? Don't feel like country which is able to do this shit, should pay?
 

Tams

Member
Maybe I've not seen all of his posts. only last few.
What did he say wrong?
And why would I get banned? What did I do wrong now?
What is wrong with you people. Unable to have open discussion? Is this really how brainwashed everyone is nowadays?
There are tons of ukrainians in my city. Ukraine is my border friend country. There is nothing I want more than best of luck for them... it has direct impact on Poland.
So shut the fuck up and stop making Russia supporters of everyone that has any fucking will of thinking for their own.

People who do not agree with you =/= Russia supporters or ban deserving out of thin air.
Funny way of being 'done'.
 

Thaedolus

Gold Member
I really find it baffling that people find the time to criticize the West’s commitment to arming those who are fighting against the genocide of their own people rather than Russia’s ongoing commitment to committing that genocide.

Prolonging the war means staving off genocide. Letting Russia just steamroll the country without resistance is the worst case humanitarian scenario, not a way to “get it over with” or whatever other myopic upside you see to that choice.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud
If we look aside from apologizing imperialism in 21st... You see, if Russia could have been trusted with their ambitions and plans, then this post would be something to think about. But I guess you never had been under Russian occupation and what it means for your country. Even now, in Russian controlled parts, there is literally a genocide and deportation of Ukrainian people. Not only that but Russia actively targets any place of cultural significance. Thus also erasing Ukrainian culture. I understand the concerns, but would you say in 80ties that Afghanistan could lived through USSR occupation?

Also weakening Russia or any other rogue super power is a good thing, especially dictator regimes like Russia, China, etc...

The suffering does not really ends with Ukraine, shitty inbred state of Russia, has been terrorizing countries for decades now and if they are not reduced to shreds, suffering will continue. Russia only understands power and if they don't have anyone to tell them to fuck off, they will continue on crusades. Russia gave zero fucks about human life and it always have been this way, look at how many Russians died while fighting Hitler... This sort of culture shouldn't be allowed in 21st.


Given Polish history, it make no sense for Polish person to be okay, just to give up. Poland would look quite a bit different if people would to act like this.

Also would you really want to have Russian next to you, if Nato and Ukrainians should just give in?

Also are you OK that in 99% Russia most likely killed your state representatives in 2010 while flying to Smolensk/Katyň? Don't feel like country which is able to do this shit, should pay?
Not giving up at all. Now it's too late to give up
 

Raven117

Member
This means nothing. The fact that they left this for months for war crimes and constant civilian bombings to keep happening, NATO, UN and whoever else are a bunch of scared bitches. There has been 100 days when they could of stepped in once things got out of hand but instead all they did was..."put on high alert"...who is that supposed to scare, Putin? Comon this is pathetic how all these big nations are just allowing this to happen and trust me...its gonna be anotehr 2 months that NATO will be in "high alert" They wont do shit.
Dude, what?
 

Tams

Member
Animated GIF


 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Then I really misunderstood...what is your view then on this situation?
Not much of a view really.
The war will go on, Ukrainians will die. Russia will continue for longer than Ukrainians can defend...
I don't imagine Russia to stop. But support for Ukrainians will slowly die down.
Hopefully we are wrong and Russia will back out but it's unlikely.
I am not sure what the option was beforehand? There was never a better option. Ukraine wanted to join UE. that's why Russia lost it
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Not much of a view really.
The war will go on, Ukrainians will die. Russia will continue for longer than Ukrainians can defend...
I don't imagine Russia to stop. But support for Ukrainians will slowly die down.
Hopefully we are wrong and Russia will back out but it's unlikely.
I am not sure what the option was beforehand? There was never a better option. Ukraine wanted to join UE. that's why Russia lost it
Well the options was to impose this sanctions when they annexed Crimea in 2014. Sorry that I misunderstood your point.
 
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FunkMiller

Gold Member

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Not much of a view really.
The war will go on, Ukrainians will die. Russia will continue for longer than Ukrainians can defend...
I don't imagine Russia to stop. But support for Ukrainians will slowly die down.
Hopefully we are wrong and Russia will back out but it's unlikely.

It really won't. If anything it's going to keep ramping up.

Because the west sees this as an excellent opportunity to bleed Vladimir Putin dry in the medium to long term. They know he can't back down. They also know they comprehensively outmatch him in every regard. This war has become a strategic coup for the west, and it'll be exploited to its greatest degree. Weaken Russia, and you also weaken any Sino-Russian alliance, further strengthening NATO and the west. The 40 billion the US have stumped up is an absolute bargain, considering how this will change the global economic and political climate.
 
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Chittagong

Gold Member
Here is my take on what’s going on.

USA

Russia
  • Only meaningful export industries been energy commodities and food
  • Crude oil hit rock bottom in 2020, huge hit for Russian economy
  • War has massively increased oil and gas prices, each month of warring is profitable

China

EU

Ukraine
  • Billions of incoming investment with little accounting or follow up
  • Zelensky inner circle are a group of friends from the same TV production studio, with experience in offshore structuring
  • Rebuilding the country’s soviet era infrastructure with western funding, compare to the rebuilding of Chechnya and Chechnya debt of gratitude and eternal loyalty to Russia, in this case just with EU/USA

Norway

Capital markets

Summary - EU and the common man aside, key powers benefit massively financially, so warring will continue / intensify.
 

Tams

Member
Here is my take on what’s going on.

USA

Russia
  • Only meaningful export industries been energy commodities and food
  • Crude oil hit rock bottom in 2020, huge hit for Russian economy
  • War has massively increased oil and gas prices, each month of warring is profitable

China

EU

Ukraine
  • Billions of incoming investment with little accounting or follow up
  • Zelensky inner circle are a group of friends from the same TV production studio, with experience in offshore structuring
  • Rebuilding the country’s soviet era infrastructure with western funding, compare to the rebuilding of Chechnya and Chechnya debt of gratitude and eternal loyalty to Russia, in this case just with EU/USA

Norway

Capital markets

Summary - EU and the common man aside, key powers benefit massively financially, so warring will continue / intensify.
Sorry, but I don't buy the 'pushing for war due to it being profitable' line being a major reason for the war continuing. No doubt some will, but I don't think it's a major reason for the support of Ukraine.

And while I do understand concerns about financial accountability in Ukraine, do you have any evidence that it is being embezzled on a large scale? Bear in mind that Ukraine will need to be careful if they want to advance their EU membership goal.

I also noticed you all but called Zelensky and his circle corrupt. It seems like you don't want to directly say it for some reason... I don't know your motives, but be aware that is like some prime adavnced Russian troll tactics.
 
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Atrus

Gold Member
Here is my take on what’s going on.

USA

Russia
  • Only meaningful export industries been energy commodities and food
  • Crude oil hit rock bottom in 2020, huge hit for Russian economy
  • War has massively increased oil and gas prices, each month of warring is profitable

China

EU

Ukraine
  • Billions of incoming investment with little accounting or follow up
  • Zelensky inner circle are a group of friends from the same TV production studio, with experience in offshore structuring
  • Rebuilding the country’s soviet era infrastructure with western funding, compare to the rebuilding of Chechnya and Chechnya debt of gratitude and eternal loyalty to Russia, in this case just with EU/USA

Norway

Capital markets

Summary - EU and the common man aside, key powers benefit massively financially, so warring will continue / intensify.

This is massive over-thinking relying on multiple conflicting parties to work together. The simplest reason is the more apparent one, Putin declared war on a neighbouring country he already invaded for economic and political reasons. It also ignores the significant losses nations are incurring; Russia is not gaining from this.

None of this happens until he decides to invade and nobody else pushed him to it, so there is no counter-party to his actions. Every excuse he's made about other parties has been walked back to Russian imperialistic ambitions.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It really won't. If anything it's going to keep ramping up.

Because the west sees this as an excellent opportunity to bleed Vladimir Putin dry in the medium to long term. They know he can't back down. They also know they comprehensively outmatch him in every regard. This war has become a strategic coup for the west, and it'll be exploited to its greatest degree. Weaken Russia, and you also weaken any Sino-Russian alliance, further strengthening NATO and the west. The 40 billion the US have stumped up is an absolute bargain, considering how this will change the global economic and political climate.
Let's cheer to that!
 

Romulus

Member
Really? We are doing this now? Are you going to ask his mom to shut him up?
His opinion is not controversial AT ALL.
It is obvious Russian will drag this for years and years. They have unlimited amounts of resources.
I am polish and WE KNOW THIS. This is obvious stuff if you know how Russians operate.
Ukraine might be getting gear and support for years but there will be nothing left fighting for at some point...
USA will send one packed Humvee and russia will send 10 ladas in this place. It's always been like that.
Maybe they will run out of resources sooner than later... but I wouldn't count on it. They do not act logical


Name 3 experts then. He said most the experts are saying it, so who are they? Should be an easy one. That's all I asked. So the polish and you know the Ukrainians can't win because "pawn"? Lol
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Name 3 experts then. He said most the experts are saying it, so who are they? Should be an easy one. That's all I asked. So the polish and you know the Ukrainians can't win because "pawn"? Lol
Who am I your wikipedia?
I don't read political crap. I don't know any expert but I don't see why his opinion needs validation of "exXZzXperts" and your does not.
get real
 
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