SteelCurtain 59
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Oh are we back on the "Xbox has no exclusives because they also release on PC"? Can you play them on Playstation or Nintendo consoles? No? Then they're exclusive
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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.
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RoadHazard
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If the XSX has sold more than the PS5 and the PS5 is pretty much impossible to find, then simple logic says the PS5 is more supply constrained. All available ones get sold very quickly. But yes, they both have been (not the S though, at least not in Europe, it's super easy to get).
BlackTron
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Man this is weird. Okay whatever you say.
Ehh. nope. You can't dock Switch Lite. And every Switch model have different price point. Which is kinda the point.
Again. There is literally no reasonable point to split Series X and S sales. If there would be a game that can't be played on Series S and can on Series S, then maybe we can have a debate. But they are literally both part of 9th generation of consoles. Series S is not part of 8th gen. And arguments like "PS4 Pro came out later" is nonsensical. Because there was nothing that did prevent Sony from reporting split. But they knew that PS4 and PS4 Pro are same gen and are playing same games so they choose not to.
Topher
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They are console exclusives. Same with God of War, Days Gone, etc.
Riky
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All first party MS games come to Windows PC, this has been the case for years. So if you're waiting for Xbox exclusive games I'd stop.
Caio
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PS5 will do it easy, PS3 numbers were not so high, actually, very low compared to "Sony standards". XBox series will also outdo 360 sales, easily.
ManaByte
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Exactly. The argument that no one wants a Xbox because they're easy to find, despite them outselling the PS5, doesn't work in this case especially when you look at the Switch. You can easily find Switch consoles on the shelves, yet it continues to outsell both the Xbox and PS5. No one is screaming that no one wants a Switch because you can find consoles. The logical explanation is that both Nintendo and MS have solved their manufacturing and logistics issues and can regularly get stock to consumers, while Sony hasn't. And if I were a Sony shareholder, I'd be demanding answers why the newly-installed head of SIE cannot get product on store shelves when his two direct competitors are able to.
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Foilz
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I find it so weird that people say the series S isn't a Next gen title just because it doesn't output the same TF as the PS5 and X. Have any of you actually played on a series S. It produces visual almost identical to the other 2 minus the 4k resolution. It has the same tools and features as the X and plays games flawlessly.
Both the PS5 and X/s are selling great for being constrained but you can't use "the PS5 would be selling more if Sony had more" as an excuse as too why Xbox may be selling slightly more. Maybe if Xbox wasn't constrained it would be selling even more than it is
maybe not . Does it really matter NO should any of you care NO.
Both the PS5 and X/s are selling great for being constrained but you can't use "the PS5 would be selling more if Sony had more" as an excuse as too why Xbox may be selling slightly more. Maybe if Xbox wasn't constrained it would be selling even more than it is
maybe not . Does it really matter NO should any of you care NO.
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RoadHazard
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Which one has sold the most worldwide? NA isn't the world, and especially for Sony not the only market that matters.
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MisterXDTV
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Microsoft solved the problem by selling a much cheaper and weaker console that is much easier to produce... I can find Series S in every store in my country discounted for 260€
Why should I compare the selling data with PS5 that is a completely different machine at a much higher price point?
It's like comparing apples with oranges...
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StealthGoblin
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If Sony has a marketing deal, the game won’t appear on a rival sub for at least a year. It’s baked into all marketing deals.
Literally what I said.
Other than them being different machines with different performance profiles.
This is a wildly low bar for SKU distinction. I mean let's just point out the elephant in the room here, the reason you are so vociferously arguing for no SKU distinction on the part of a corporation that doesn't know you exist, is because acknowledging these differences means having a look at what is driving these sales reports, seeing that it is the Series S that is (obviously) doing the heavy lifting and that the chip shortage that affects the PS5 also affects the Series X, which entirely explains the current market situation and creates a narrative of "people are getting what they can" vs "XBOX is producing value and gamers are responding to that" and is the hilariously absent caveat in this entire conversation.
. . .or more succinctly: more fuel for the proxy Console War.
Stuart360
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Jesus guys, PS5 is probably going to outsell the Series consoles by 20-30mil worldwide by the end of the gen. There is no need to be so salty just because Xbox is doing better this gen.
It was always going to do better than XB1, which had some of the most negativity surrounding a product for its entire lifetime than i have ever seen for a major product. Throw in Gamepass on top, and the many studio buys, a lot more postivity around Xbox this gen, and obviously Xbox was going to do better.
Your precious sales war will still be won in the end.
It was always going to do better than XB1, which had some of the most negativity surrounding a product for its entire lifetime than i have ever seen for a major product. Throw in Gamepass on top, and the many studio buys, a lot more postivity around Xbox this gen, and obviously Xbox was going to do better.
Your precious sales war will still be won in the end.
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ManaByte
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They solved the problem by manufacturing consoles in North America (in Mexico) and not locked-down China.
SoraNoKuni
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Well done, although it doesn't paint the full picture.
Series S is the sole reason they managed to pull this off, not gamepass nor the games.
And no, it's not the value of the S, just that it is readily available at any times due to it's specs.
Series S is the sole reason they managed to pull this off, not gamepass nor the games.
And no, it's not the value of the S, just that it is readily available at any times due to it's specs.
//DEVIL//
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I highly doubt marketing deal has anything to do with game pass. Because it was never going to be ok game pass as long as Activision was independent company. The marketing deal was in promoting the game not to show the Xbox logo plus few weeks / days / months of exclusive content appearing first on ps systems. Not the game to be on game pass or not.
But that's just me guessing. I neither read nor do I want to read the contract lol.
Punished Miku
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Wii U was readily available.
Not necessarily, look at mlb the show.
SoraNoKuni
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That's not the same and you know it, there is a demand for "next-gen" consoles and Xbox is really doing a great job, I am not comparing them to the failure WIIU was, but if at any case there was a Series S competitor by Sony that was readily available, the current news wouldn't exist.
It's how it is, Playstation as a brand and their franchises hold more value to consumer minds whether you like it or not.
They say best selling in NA for a reason. In Europe and the rest of the world PS5 is outselling xbox. Because MS does not need to send any more stock to the rest of the world they can concentrate on restocking NA even if production is lower for them.
Stuart360
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Or XB1 and the OneX, or PS4 and the PS4 Pro, Switch, Switch Lite, etc. The clue is in the name 'Xbox Series'. Its different versions of the same machine playing the same games.
MisterXDTV
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Punished Miku
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I thought your post was false on basically every claim. People don't just buy things because they're available. They buy it if they want it. "Nextgen" has nothing to do with it, because look at the Switch and how that's selling compared to the Wii U. It's pretty obvious that if the Series S is selling well, the main things that would be appealing are the price, and Gamepass. People like the product more than Xbox One, which was also readily available.
As for your last sentence, never go full retard. I wasn't even talking about Playstation. I was talking about why you claim the Series S is selling. But your last sentence really gave your viewpoint away I guess.
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It would actually help if we did in determining digital vs physical but it wouldn't matter either way. Splitting Series S and Series X is only because they are very different specced machines. Might be meaningless too but the split might help determine VR support and other things like raytracing support in some games.
StealthGoblin
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MLB as publisher had marketing rights for the Xbox version. Sony had no say in that. Sony have a multi-year and multi-game deal with Activision for COD and the sub clause is in effect.
HeisenbergFX4
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You are correct MLB forced the game to go multi plat at least thats what Mike Ybarra told me
Chukhopops
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So people buy the console but aren’t interested in either games or services. They also aren’t interested in the value for money proposition.
But why do they buy it then? Cause the Switch is also available.
I'd argue that the Xbox One and Series S are one gen too then for the most part. That's up to the publisher.
SoraNoKuni
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The target group of Nintendo and the rest of the gaming world is different, of course what you mentioned make a product attractive and a good option for consumers, I am not trying to degrade MS efforts as they are really doing great, I am just stating the fact that MS outselling Sony was due to the reasons I mentioned and not due to consumers actually comparing 2 identicals machines and actually buying an XBOX, and that's because that's not possible when Sony can't even have a console on shelves.
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Well, you edited your post, to throw an insult nonetheless.
You weren't even talking about PS5 when the thread is about Series outselling PS5, it's a stretch to say that we are talking about the topic of the thread I guess.
Hmmm... yeah I am the one that's probably going full retard.
Anyways, I tried to make a point without arguing like a child but mental gymnastics is a lifestyle for some people.
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oldergamer
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none of what you said matters. put all the conditions on this you want, it doesn't matter.
Stuart360
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Of course it is. Same cpu, slightly less ram, cut down version of the same gpu. Its been designed to play the same games at lower resolution, and settings if need be.SAME MACHINE!!!
Loads of products ahve a premium and budget version of the same product.
At the end of the day its a entry level next gen maching designed to play the same games as its big brother and PS5. So yes its a next gen machine, and yes its sales will be included with the XSX.
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Stuart360
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Well if XSS was desingned to say play XB1 games at 60fps, or higher resolutions, then sure you could do that. It isnt though, its designed to play next gen games at a lower resolution, or framerate.
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Smiggs
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Yeah, this is embarrassing. We should all be happy stock is starting to (somewhat) normalize, and more people have access to get and play consoles. The more people that are able to play, the better it is for all of us. The Xbox doing well in NA is a great thing for gamers, and I'm not sure how you can spin it any other way.
And the pedantic arguing over whether Series S counts as next gen or not... come on, be better than that. It plays the exact same games as Series X.
And I say all this as a PS5 owner that hasn't had an Xbox in 10 years.
EverydayBeast
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Sony is fighting chip, staff and components shortage.
I was making a tongue in cheek comment that there are little to no next gen only games. Everything pretty much plays on the xbox one too 2 years in.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Outsell the 360 in the US?
360 was a monster in the US, it sold 47 million. It’s in the Top 3 best-selling consoles in the US, ever.
supernova8
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I think the more important distinction to make is: How many of these people buying an Xbox did so as a replacement for what would have been a PS5 purchase?
If Xbox is winning potential Playstation customers (a bit like swing voters), especially the casual types who only really play the big multiplats and are enticed by the opportunity to pay a fixed monthly fee and get access to other stuff, then that is a big deal (if they can keep it up). It's just impossible to gauge whether that's happening or whether these are people who were never going to wait for PS5s to come back in stock anyway.
Also network effects are a thing. The more Xbox consoles (or even just Game Pass subscriptions without a physical device) Microsoft can get out there the more enticing Xbox as a platform will be. One of the reasons I went with PS4 last gen was because all my mates had PS4. I might've gone with Xbox if they all had Xbox (ie I think I'm borderline casual).
Microsoft basically has a limited window (before PS5 comes back into regular stock) in which it gobble up a chunk of the casuals who just want something to play FIFA 23.
If Xbox is winning potential Playstation customers (a bit like swing voters), especially the casual types who only really play the big multiplats and are enticed by the opportunity to pay a fixed monthly fee and get access to other stuff, then that is a big deal (if they can keep it up). It's just impossible to gauge whether that's happening or whether these are people who were never going to wait for PS5s to come back in stock anyway.
Also network effects are a thing. The more Xbox consoles (or even just Game Pass subscriptions without a physical device) Microsoft can get out there the more enticing Xbox as a platform will be. One of the reasons I went with PS4 last gen was because all my mates had PS4. I might've gone with Xbox if they all had Xbox (ie I think I'm borderline casual).
Microsoft basically has a limited window (before PS5 comes back into regular stock) in which it gobble up a chunk of the casuals who just want something to play FIFA 23.
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StealthGoblin
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Multi plat was a condition of PlayStation renegotiating the license, yes.
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oldergamer
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MS has always assembled consoles in mexico. However they aren't where components are made. if you can't get components, you can't assemble consoles.
crackajack
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True, but claiming to be the next gen leader (in one region) implies leading in the sales of the "actual" next gen HW, ie the box which is used for trailer videos, if it isn't anyway a PC.
It's one thing if Next Gen means a new generation of more and more overlapping eco systems. Which will get even funnier when streaming will be considered and it becomes even more gen-less PC-like. MS is leaning into PC for their grand XBox Gamepass plan anyway much more than Sony. Do we start to count PCs soon also as Xboxs if they are playing the same games?
Next gen always meant for me the next new limit pushing shit, which Nintendo anyway did on their own for some time now. So this whole gen thing is obsolete for them, or rather they do their own timeline and when MS now creates a much broader system it barely is within the same rules too and so can be counted as another thing. I am not at all saying that neither the Series S nor the Series X isn't great, reasonably priced piece of HW, I would say both are extremely on point for what they want to be. But while both compete with PS5 for basically one player base, the slowly increasing base which provided ~200+ mio sales in the last decades, the target audience for PS5 and Series X is nevertheless not necessarily the same as for Series S.
Whereas Pro and OneX where Mid Gen Upgrades for enthusiasts, so counting those as a separate "half step next gen" or whatever would have been plausible, Series S is however an immediate Next Gen Downgrade or whatever, positioning itself at the top of Pro and One X power levels, next gen that comes so close to last gen it is a rather weird next gen?... if Series X wouldn't exist at all, would Series S actually be next gen for anyone? ... , anyway admitetly wisely done from MS to make that machine compatible to their actual next gen system and thus affordable and viable for people who usually probably wait for cheaper revisions of the next gen machine. I applaud MS for doing so, Sony should have done something like it too, to safe some otherwise unusable APUs and to cover a cheaper FHD is enough market, for those who are less willing to get a second job.
El Pistolero
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Any truth to this?
Or is it tales from his ass as usual
That is Colteastwood, a PHD in talking out of his ass type of cheerleader. There is no such rumour on account of the PS5 having sold quite a bit more worldwide.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
You know, people invested can claim a sony "victory" for this gen already, because it will take this gen and maybe some of next gen for Microsoft to earn back its gaming investments (zenimax, acti-blizz) but to be fair Microsoft has already won because they are a trillion dollar company.
However the company that wins is the company which provides great products and services.
However the company that wins is the company which provides great products and services.
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oldergamer
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Any truth to this?
Or is it tales from his ass as usual
VG chartz is fake
I think with the kinect surge and the fact that 360 was slow in the first year it would be difficult to outsell the 360 but "lifetime" could mean something else nowadays. What if we get a xbox Series X2 years from now and a Series X3 5years from now? Generations seem to be dead and crossgen being prolonged.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Any truth to this?
Or is it tales from his ass as usual
Both sources in those two tweets are full of crap, so no. Neither is likely true.
Hopefully you can elaborate more on this when you come back in 2 weeks time.
oldergamer
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it won't take that long to earn back the investment. man you this really has sony fans all twisted and it shouldn't
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