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Its great for young kids and poorer countries no doubt. Devs seem to hate it tho
Really, devs hate it? I've seen the odd comment but not seen a hatred for it.
Its great for young kids and poorer countries no doubt. Devs seem to hate it tho
This makes absolutely no sense. There will always be an addressable audience of millions of gamers who own just a Series S. Scaling a game down to Series S isn’t the incredibly expensive venture you thing it is.
I wonder if you realize that ‘PC’ isn’t a single SKU, and devs have already been making games with a wide range of PC specs in mind. So you’re making up a scenario where it would be tough for devs to target two Xbox SKUs, but will miraculously be able to program for minimum, recommended and maximum PC requirements.
Give this train of thought a rest.
They have it in most of their marketing deals and not just "must not come to gamepass" but a "must not come to any competing subscription service like gamepass, Stadia, etc"
The exact terms they used in a leaked previous contract:
"During the term, Publisher shall not authorise, assist or encourage any third party to include the game in any Competetive Platform subscription service, including but not limited to Google Stadia Pro subscriptions, Microsoft's Xbox Live Gold, Project xCloud or Game Pass subscription service or similar Competetive Platform subscription service,"
Colt is an idiot. Colt said xbox outsold PS5 this quarter globally and he explicitly mentions globally as a you heard it here first after this NA news came out. It didn't. Xbox hardware was down -11% and PS5 sales up 4% (hardware +12%). PS5 likely outsold xbox globally by some margin.
Best console? The ugly black box and 1080p machine in 2022 without a disc drive?This is incredible news—it truly is the best console this gen so far and a lot of fun. Can’t wait to see when it picks up steam and we start seeing games like Starfield drop for it.
Best console? The ugly black box and 1080p machine in 2022 without a disc drive?
Ps5 got games and better controller.
I don’t think there is anything better about any of the Xboxes.
Xbox now is all about rentals and gamepass. That is only devaluing games and you see what happens when service is down. You can even play a disc game on X.
Ps5 digital is only 100 more than series S and offers much much more and a better controller. The tech is better too with better compression and ssd.
Although I have to admit series X is really good tech too this time around
Your post reads like somebody took all the dumbest possible GAF arguments and put them into one of those AI text generators.Best console? The ugly black box and 1080p machine in 2022 without a disc drive?
Ps5 got games and better controller.
I don’t think there is anything better about any of the Xboxes.
Xbox now is all about rentals and gamepass. That is only devaluing games and you see what happens when service is down. You can even play a disc game on X.
Ps5 digital is only 100 more than series S and offers much much more and a better controller. The tech is better too with better compression and ssd.
Although I have to admit series X is really good tech too this time around
Your post reads like somebody took all the dumbest possible GAF arguments and put them into one of those AI text generators.
It's all true. You may wish it was just a dumb take.Your post reads like somebody took all the dumbest possible GAF arguments and put them into one of those AI text generators.
It's a PS5 Supply Issue... PS5 would outsell every console right now if it had the supply. It's a known issue. Console sales never mattered in general anyway, not until the end. The first 40-50 million seems to be par for the course.Xbox always on shelves, ps5 always sold out.
Best console? The ugly black box and 1080p machine in 2022 without a disc drive?
Ps5 got games and better controller.
I don’t think there is anything better about any of the Xboxes.
That's why I didn't buy digital ps5.You have the nerve to say that while the PS5 DE is also without disc drive and call the Series X ugly while singing the praises of this hideous abortion of a console.
I put black plates on my PS5 and using a black controller and honestly its still probably the ugliest console I have ever seen but beauty is in the eye of the beholderYou have the nerve to say that while the PS5 DE is also without disc drive and call the Series X ugly while singing the praises of this hideous abortion of a console.
Can you show me where I believed/relied on Colt Eastwood information? No? Ok then.ironically, you had no problems believing it when Colt Eastwood’s show said Playground was having problems with Fable.
Let’s not pick and choose when we believe idiots. Fair?
And for the record, yes, he’s a clown.
Well for starters you can play disc games, digital games and even GP games offline. And there are certainly exclusive games whether you appreciate them or not.It's all true. You may wish it was just a dumb take.
Xbox got nothing to offer this gen except the studios they just money hatted.
One pointless console and one good console with bad digital policies and no exclusives.
Say whatever you want. It might sound harsh but it is what it is.
The best thing about X is backwards compat.
It's fuckin awful. There, it is my opinion that now should count as fact, according to you.That's why I didn't buy digital ps5.
But it does not change the fact that it's much better deal and powerful than only 100$ cheaper series S.
And personally I think ps5 looks fantastic. At least it's not another plain box. I like the default white but you can swap covers.
Damn, what a meltdown! All because Xbox has outsold the PS5 the past 3 quarters. Yikes! This going to be a rough gen for you, bud.It's all true. You may wish it was just a dumb take.
Xbox got nothing to offer this gen except the studios they just money hatted.
One pointless console and one good console with bad digital policies and no exclusives.
Say whatever you want. It might sound harsh but it is what it is.
The best thing about X is backwards compat.
Series S is now a substantial part of the market, live with it.
And it will only get bigger as time goes on. The price point is simply too good, especially when you have recession vibes floating around.
Best console? The ugly black box and 1080p machine in 2022 without a disc drive?
Ps5 got games and better controller.
I don’t think there is anything better about any of the Xboxes.
Xbox now is all about rentals and gamepass. That is only devaluing games and you see what happens when service is down. You can even play a disc game on X.
Ps5 digital is only 100 more than series S and offers much much more and a better controller. The tech is better too with better compression and ssd.
Although I have to admit series X is really good tech too this time around
Lol if that's a meltdown then I am not sure how else to talk.Damn, what a meltdown! All because Xbox has outsold the PS5 the past 3 quarters. Yikes! This going to be a rough gen for you, bud.
MasterCornholio get in here! We got a meltdown on our hands!
Gamepass is good but new ps premium is also good or even better maybe.That depends on how you define "best" .. Pure specs obviously not, but price vs. entertainment ratio? There is nothing better.
Lol if that's a meltdown then I am not sure how else to talk.
Opinions are not meltdowns.
And it's not even an opinion. It's mostly facts. Xbox really does not have worthy exclusives and games do have problem running offline or from the disc like halo (single player).
ANYWAY ALL THAT ASIDE
I know people have trouble accepting anyone else opinions and mine is that xbox sucks ass this and last generation. The only difference being that this time they got good hardware as opposed to last time and they could/should really turn the boat around. But the Phill is too go luck nice guy to do anything.
I would really want 360 time to come back. Some good competition would fuel the market !!!
All that happens now is that all customers loose because xbox and sony are competing with GAAS and shitspasses... and we all loose with these services.
Yeah exactly. Industry is drying and people are fighting over who got better shit gaas service... jeez.This is generally my opinion. The best games on Xbox atm have been backwards compatible games or PC titles/remasters. Their new stuff is usually trash for me and the fact that I can’t play most of my physical games Offline? Fucking insulting.
Not sure why people keep accepting lower quality when they can demand and *get* higher quality from the same people. We did it with the Xbox One prior to its launch. We can do it again.
Well as I said earlier in the thread, the GC is the benchmark and it had 10M sales, and wasn't at risk of being used as an indies box, a minecraft only machine for the kids or a gamepass box, and it at full utilisation in Nintendo first party software was superior to the original Xbox in graphical capabilities, and wasn't esoteric, either so was easy to port to, and yet it lost 3rd party support.This makes absolutely no sense. There will always be an addressable audience of millions of gamers who own just a Series S. Scaling a game down to Series S isn’t the incredibly expensive venture you thing it is.
That's like saying devs are not making money if I play their games on PC at lower resolutions instead of at 4k. Series S is a Series X with a worse GPU that runs at lower resolutions to compensate.Which anecdotally sounds in sync with the point I was making, because it doesn't sound like you buying a Series S results in anymore revenue for the A-AAA devs/pubs that have to put far more effort in for the XsS port - which costs a lot, or takes time away from making their offering better on PS5/XsX/PC which would have added sales.
Xbox making money on hardware and games that don't need PS5/XsX hardware does nothing for A-AAA devs/pubs AFAIK, so at some point there could be a time when devs could afford a lower money-hat from PlayStation (for PS/PC only) because the saving on XsS dev porting might more than make up for the loss of Series sales profits.
This is the reason! I don’t know anyone that wants a Xbox but plenty that can’t find a PS5While this may true, I believe the real reason is because the PS5 is still impossible to find while you can get series S especially and X everywhere almost.
I also believe sales will shift towards Xbox when COD is on game pass. That will really boost the Xbox. Especially if the deal is closed and they can get COD MW2 in time for game pass
Yeah exactly. Industry is drying and people are fighting over who got better shit gaas service... jeez.
Wake up people! Where are the games?! On either side?! PlayStation got more but it's still very little... but xbox is responsible for a lot of this. The gp trend, devaluation of gaming and so on. Just because they lost the exclusives war.
I know this is tlou1 video but listen to first 10 minutes of Robin speech. He summarizes it perfectly
People who think I have a meltdown are crazy. It's not my meltdown. It's meltdown of gaming in recent years.
Just prove that then. Just name one direct response to my first point you made that I didn’t respond to directly? You can’t expect me to respond to your off topic pseudo responses.Dude, you didn't address my post at all. You went off-topic.
Well as I said earlier in the thread, the GC is the benchmark and it had 10M sales, and wasn't at risk of being used as an indies box, a minecraft only machine for the kids or a gamepass box, and it at full utilisation in Nintendo first party software was superior to the original Xbox in graphical capabilities, and wasn't esoteric, either so was easy to port to, and yet it lost 3rd party support.
So how many are we talking? Let say Xbox manage to match 360 numbers with Series, lots of those owners are either going to have an XsX in their lounge too, or PS5, or a higher performance PC. Even forgetting that RRoD inflated 360 userbase by at least 20-40m lets say half of the 80M are XsS - without a XsX - do you really expect more than 1 in 4 to not own a PS5 or high end PC, and not be using it for non-A-AAA gaming that would need XsX/PS5 level software? I don't.
At best I expect 5M to be that number - and that's probably a 200% over estimate - and if GC's 10M was too little, why would developers incur that cost?
It also might not help that PlayStation gamers like myself will take a dim view of software that lacks Rockstar tier polish on the PS5 if a XsS version is also in the mix. Optics for selling a game to PS5/XsX gamers won't be helped by the XsS IMHO, so even if there was 5M to sell to, and that could add 200k sales, is that enough to offset lost sales from people that want games designed completely around the PS5 and XsX capabilities?
It might seem the same but is vastly different because you can release whatever you want on PC in any state, but on consoles you have a technical requirements checklist (TRCs) which all must be met before you will be given the authorisation for going gold with the release.That's like saying devs are not making money if I play their games on PC at lower resolutions instead of at 4k. Series S is a Series X with a worse GPU that runs at lower resolutions to compensate.
Well as I said earlier in the thread, the GC is the benchmark and it had 10M sales, and wasn't at risk of being used as an indies box, a minecraft only machine for the kids or a gamepass box, and it at full utilisation in Nintendo first party software was superior to the original Xbox in graphical capabilities, and wasn't esoteric, either so was easy to port to, and yet it lost 3rd party support.
at risk of being used as an indies box, a minecraft only machine for the kids or a gamepass box
So how many are we talking? Let say Xbox manage to match 360 numbers with Series, lots of those owners are either going to have an XsX in their lounge too, or PS5, or a higher performance PC. Even forgetting that RRoD inflated 360 userbase by at least 20-40m lets say half of the 80M are XsS - without a XsX - do you really expect more than 1 in 4 to not own a PS5 or high end PC, and not be using it for non-A-AAA gaming that would need XsX/PS5 level software? I don't.
At best I expect 5M to be that number - and that's probably a 200% over estimate - and if GC's 10M was too little, why would developers incur that cost?
It also might not help that PlayStation gamers like myself will take a dim view of software that lacks Rockstar tier polish on the PS5 if a XsS version is also in the mix. Optics for selling a game to PS5/XsX gamers won't be helped by the XsS IMHO, so even if there was 5M to sell to, and that could add 200k sales, is that enough to offset lost sales from people that want games designed completely around the PS5 and XsX capabilities?
It's good to see console sales matter again for Xbox.
Right, the Wii games were built in isolation from the 360/PS3 games and all three consoles were part of the same generation. Xbox Series and PS5 are part of the same generation, regardless of their respective line ups. That's not going to changeBut buying a wii version of CoD probably didn't stop the same gamer buying it on their PS3/360 also, so it isn't equivalent because the Wii games were typically built in isolation of the main HDready versions.
They can and will already have it in place, but at some point the cost of XsS development could then put the XsX getting a version of a game in jeopardy because dev costs will override. When true PS5 first party games start showing a huge step up from the HFW and Spiderman Morales cross-gen with next-gen features, 3rd party devs will want to keep pace with PS5 first party visuals and that won't be so easy when the XsS is in the mix
IIRC it lost 3rd party support by the time it sold 10M, but if we are saying it was 20M, then that just makes my XsS point even stronger, as for parity XsS would need even more users that weren't buying the A-AAA games for their XsX/PC or PS5 to make XsS development worthwhile in a few years time.You're literally just making stuff up.
The GameCube didn't sell 10 million units, more like 22 million and to claim it was superior to the Xbox graphically is hilarious, any third party game shows you that wasn't true. I would love to have seen Doom 3 for example run on either Gamecube or PS2.
The active userbase was about 40-50m at best and there was mention of this in an old eurogamer article at the time IIRC, but I still assumed 80M split evenly between XsX and Xss with my estimate, did I not?lnflated 360 userbase by 20-40 million they gave a three year warranty and repaired them, stop making numbers up.
But will they buy a PS5 or XsX when readily available and prices change? One copy of devs game but developing two SKUs offers the dev and pub nothing but cost.You really believe 3 out of four Series S owners will have a PS5 or "high end PC", deluded. I know several Series S owners only one owns either of those things, me. None of the other Series S owners do, mainly because they purchased a Series S because they wanted a cheap, small and quiet next gen console, they are satisfied with that.
You're literally making up numbers with no evidence as your GameCube number shows, or just lying.
Developers go to the wall all the time, anyone that's ever worked in the industry - even briefly - or had family work in the industry knows how precarious staying in business is, so every saving and reduction of risk mitigates that.You keep talking about the "cost" to developers, where is this coming from? Supply the evidence, as has been pointed out to you already, it is on the SAME GDK as Series X and Windows PC.
I've said those native apps look positively cross-gen, and when PlayStation starts properly using the PS5 geometry engine there will be a gulf between those very good looking PS4 games and proper PS5 games - go back and re-read my comments.Then we get to the crux, you describe yourself as a "PlayStation Gamer" and take a "dim view" of games if there is a Series S version..... Yet no doubt are lapping up Horizon FW, GT7 and will be Ragnorak despite them being designed around the capabilities of a 1.8 tflop PS4.....
Yeah exactly. Industry is drying and people are fighting over who got better shit gaas service... jeez.
Wake up people! Where are the games?! On either side?! PlayStation got more but it's still very little... but xbox is responsible for a lot of this. The gp trend, devaluation of gaming and so on. Just because they lost the exclusives war.
I know this is tlou1 video but listen to first 10 minutes of Robin speech. He summarizes it perfectly
People who think I have a meltdown are crazy. It's not my meltdown. It's meltdown of gaming in recent years.
IIRC it lost 3rd party support by the time it sold 10M, but if we are saying it was 20M, then that just makes my XsS point even stronger, as for parity XsS would need even more users that weren't buying the A-AAA games for their XsX/PC or PS5 to make XsS development worthwhile in a few years time.
The visual fx on games by Nintendo, in games like Metroid Prime were never matched on Xbox. Even take a look a Monkeyball's port by TT and checkout the missing shader fx in Monkey target on just the Xbox port - despite it being higher resolution than the PS2 and GC. For visual fx techniques the Xbox was the weakest console of that generation ,even if it did higher resolutions. The techniques used in SotC or snaker eater on PS2 just weren't feasible on the the original Xbox.
As for Doom3, if you read nvidia's dev paper about carmack's reversal - the game's signature shadows absent from the xbox version - the explicitly state that the reversal algorithm would have mapped perfectly to the PS2's graphics capabilities, so it would have had better fx, just probably at 400x300 or 320x240, although like the xbox it would have needed the PS2 add-on HDD too because of memory limits.
The active userbase was about 40-50m at best and there was mention of this in an old eurogamer article at the time IIRC, but I still assumed 80M split evenly between XsX and Xss with my estimate, did I not?
But will they buy a PS5 or XsX when readily available and prices change? One copy of devs game but developing two SKUs offers the dev and pub nothing but cost.
Developers go to the wall all the time, anyone that's ever worked in the industry - even briefly - or had family work in the industry knows how precarious staying in business is, so every saving and reduction of risk mitigates that.
I've said those native apps look positively cross-gen, and when PlayStation starts properly using the PS5 geometry engine there will be a gulf between those very good looking PS4 games and proper PS5 games - go back and re-read my comments.
You are drowning in old games and crap.Xbox do need to release some 1st party games, I’m 100% with you there. But the whole industry is dying?? And where are the games on either side?? Feels like I’m drowning in games because I’m 100% onboard both Gamepass and the new PS+. For me it’s the golden age. I haven’t had this many games to play since I had a C64 and could swap cassette tapes with 100 games with class mates on the school yard.
You missed a lot of cool games this year. Is that seriously all you played?the only new games I've bought this year are horizon and Elden Ring...
Or three quarters in a row.It's unfortunate how much mental gymnastics some adults will do to avoid letting Xbox have a W every once in a while
Those mandates make games released look better - Death Stranding captured on PS4 Pro - for marketing, the XsS is the exact opposite, like showing ps3/360 versions of Metal gear 5.You were only 12 million out. However you think it strengthens your point, the Xbox sold a couple of million more and got the support, how come? Because of the buying habits of Nintendo fans and the online components, nothing to do with install base. How many did you think the Xbox One X sold and PS4 Pro sold? Did they get all the games? Yes because it's mandated by the platform holder, Sony even had rules on framerate compared to PS4. Microsoft has the same mandate for Series S, so you're all out of luck with that train of thought.
The active userbase was probably about the same, because lots of PS3 owners bought 3rd party games on 360 in NA - I suspect - so the PS3 was relatively dead to them in dev terms for non-exclusives. But my point about the XsS is still assuming 80mYour hurt about Xbox being the most powerful of the gen is still with you, but a Nintendo first party game and a later port of Monkey Ball aren't really going to compensate for all the day and date third party releases that were far superior on Xbox, go back and check all the comparisons at your leisure, I had all three and an imaginary port of Doom 3 for PS2 is just that, imaginary, just like Half Life 2.
You say the 360 active userbase was 40-50 million at best, provide the source of this information please, the ylod was also a thing but I'm not going to pluck figures out of thin air like you are.
Yeah I finished stray too. Not interested in sifu.You missed a lot of cool games this year. Is that seriously all you played?
I’ll list the games I’ve played for the first time this year or just installed waiting for the right time to play for the first time:You are drowning in old games and crap.
It definitely take longer time to make games nowdays, no doubt about that. But there must be some bubble life going on here if you’ve truly only played Elden Ring and Horizon this year. What platforms and subscription services do you have access to?Look at 2007 or 2011 or any year around/before that.
We had more quality big releases each month compared to whole year.
Barely anything comes out nowadays. I am not disregarding indies but I am not going to play every shit game out there. And that's what out there. Barely anything new, unique and when it comes too AA and AAA... it's 1 or 2 games per year... if even that.
If you don't see industry is drying up, I can't show it to you but the only new games I've bought this year are horizon and Elden Ring...