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[SlimeGooGoo]

The audience for old school turn based FF is just too small

I wouldn't call it "too small", just not as profitable as other AAA games.

Other turn-based games manage to sell pretty well nowadays.
DQ11 sold more than 6 million copies (with a *much* smaller budget than FF 15).
Persona 5 more than 3 million copies.
And I'm not even taking into account Pokemon.

The problem with Squeenix is that they're just too greedy. They don't want "only" 6 million copies. They are not even happy with 10 million copies.
They want to maximize profit at all costs, even if they have to turn FF into something it never was (an action game) in order to sell more.

at least theres still dragon quest

I'm not too optimistic about Dragon Quest 12, to be honest.
If they pull the same crap of turning it into some action-oriented game, I'm done with Squeenix.

 

[Utherellus]

That looks.. so artistically unexpressive and sterile...

 

[JimmyRustler]

I wouldn't call it "too small", just not as profitable as other AAA games.

Other turn-based games manage to sell pretty well nowadays.
DQ11 sold more than 6 million copies (with a *much* smaller budget than FF 15).
Persona 5 more than 3 million copies.
And I'm not even taking into account Pokemon.

The problem with Squeenix is that they're just too greedy. They don't want "only" 6 million copies. They are not even happy with 10 million copies.
They want to maximize profit at all costs, even if they have to turn FF into something it never was (an action game) in order to sell more.


I'm not too optimistic about Dragon Quest 12, to be honest.
If they pull the same crap of turning it into some action-oriented game, I'm done with Squeenix.

Possibly, but I do think there is more to it. FF has always been the blockbuster of the JRPGs. So it need to be big and epic and I assume this is also how the devs themselves want it to be. But I don't think you can get the needed sales numbers with a more traditional FF these days. May be wrong though.

 

[pleaseinsertdisctwo]

That looks.. so artistically unexpressive and sterile...

I agree with this. Visually this game is VERY boring. No color, no CG cutscenes, bland art direction.

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

Just watched the 45 minutes gameplay video, this looks incredible

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

OK- just watched this in 4k on the TV and don't understand why people saying it looks last gen. It may not look like whatever idea we imagined a "next gen" Final Fantasy to look like but you have to compare it against the competition and the previous FF and I see improvements in several areas such as lighting and in particular texture detail and environmental density. That one area towards the end of the demo reminds me a lot of Demon's Souls. I'm happy with this. I've given up the illusion that this gen is ever going to totally blow me away.

We'll eventually start getting Unreal 5 engine games that don't have any cross gen trappings but I'm not expecting the framerates and resolutions to maintain high numbers when that happens. This definitely has some kind of next gen look to it. Looks better than FF7 remake in terms of tech. That's good enough for me.

Combat looks like it could turn out great though I have to study it more to see if it actually has depth to it or whether it's typical mmo type combat. The addition of a dmc style moveset could turn out to be a good thing I'm thinking as long as they can maintain some rpg qualities.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I'm not too optimistic about Dragon Quest 12, to be honest.
If they pull the same crap of turning it into some action-oriented game, I'm done with Squeenix.

I think they will keep DQ traditional to differentiate the 2 series. DQ11 did come out a year after FFXV and to me was wayyyy better. I understand people like the new games and classic FF is never coming back. It's a struggle to keep myself from going on rofif style rants in every thread about how much I hate the modern FF games. Watched Shillups video and FFXVI looks interesting to me as a character action game but it might as well be an original IP from what I saw. I hope the OST delivers at least.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I highly disagree with that, I still enjoy good turn based combat, I currently having blast with Octopath 2.

Seriously, what a load of gen z rubbish

 

[remember_spinal]

OK- just watched this in 4k on the TV and don't understand why people saying it looks last gen. It may not look like whatever idea we imagined a "next gen" Final Fantasy to look like but you have to compare it against the competition and the previous FF and I see improvements in several areas such as lighting and in particular texture detail and environmental density. That one area towards the end of the demo reminds me a lot of Demon's Souls. I'm happy with this. I've given up the illusion that this gen is ever going to totally blow me away.

We'll eventually start getting Unreal 5 engine games that don't have any cross gen trappings but I'm not expecting the framerates and resolutions to maintain high numbers when that happens. This definitely has some kind of next gen look to it. Looks better than FF7 remake in terms of tech. That's good enough for me.

Combat looks like it could turn out great though I have to study it more to see if it actually has depth to it or whether it's typical mmo type combat. The addition of a dmc style moveset could turn out to be a good thing I'm thinking as long as they can maintain some rpg qualities.

It will end up being the second best looking game released this year

 

[Danjin44]

OK- just watched this in 4k on the TV and don't understand why people saying it looks last gen.

Easy, majority of people in GAF are graphic whores, nothing is good enough for them. They have stupid level high expectation of what "next gen" suppose to look like.

 

[begotten]

I hope they're being honest saying that Eikon fights are unique & curated experiences. The one they showed off looked cool, but repeating that like 10 times would get old. I'm all for these being crazy, cinematic spectacles.

 

[Barakov]

 

[Danjin44]

 

[gow3isben]

That looks.. so artistically unexpressive and sterile...

That’s what she said

 

[poodaddy]

I'm pumped about the game ....that being said, eleven hours of cinematics is fuckin hard to swallow. Here's hoping it's not cringe anime level story telling and VO like 7 Remake was. Still though, I got a good feeling about this one.

 

[Felessan]

I wouldn't call it "too small", just not as profitable as other AAA games.

Other turn-based games manage to sell pretty well nowadays.
DQ11 sold more than 6 million copies (with a *much* smaller budget than FF 15).
Persona 5 more than 3 million copies.
And I'm not even taking into account Pokemon.

The problem with Squeenix is that they're just too greedy. They don't want "only" 6 million copies. They are not even happy with 10 million copies.
They want to maximize profit at all costs, even if they have to turn FF into something it never was (an action game) in order to sell more.


I'm not too optimistic about Dragon Quest 12, to be honest.
If they pull the same crap of turning it into some action-oriented game, I'm done with Squeenix.

It's already more than 20 years since FF left "traditional turn-based JRPG" world.
And it's not exactly about greedy, it's just a series evolve as the time pass, and modernization of combat is a part of it.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Literally the only AAA game coming out this year that I have faith in.

 

[lestar]

I don't know, if you tell me this is a DMC spin off, I believe you.

I know turn based RPG are a thing of the past for AAA games, but FF7R battle system was the perfect mix between modern action and turn based battle system. A pure action battle system means single playable character, no party management, no role play strategy, no different battle styles depending of the character you are using, that sounds totally no final fantasy to me.

 

[Balducci30]

I don’t get people saying this looks bad. This is like the first ff in a decade that actually looks interesting to me

 

[Lethal01]

I don’t get people saying this looks bad. This is like the first ff in a decade that actually looks interesting to me

Consider that this game is coming out because there were tons of people in the last decade that found those games interesting, The fact that you are interested in this one is likely to mean it's changing things that people spent the last decade enjoying in final fantasy.
Again, this looks like a huge Dowgrade from FF7 remake to me.

 

[Balducci30]

Consider that this game is coming out because there were tons of people in the last decade that found those games interesting, The fact that you are interested in this one is likely to mean it's changing things that people spent the last decade enjoying in final fantasy.
Again, this looks like a huge Dowgrade from FF7 remake to me.

Well there’s ff7 remake 2 - and we haven’t even seen the full picture with this if there is semi open areas and good exploration this has major potential imo

 

[Varteras]

I had a lot of reservations about this game at first but this looks fucking nuts. The combat looks very satisfying. The presentation of everything is just sharp. But more than anything else, there just seems to be a ton of moments that would make someone go, "That was so damn badass!"

 

[remember_spinal]

Consider that this game is coming out because there were tons of people in the last decade that found those games interesting, The fact that you are interested in this one is likely to mean it's changing things that people spent the last decade enjoying in final fantasy.
Again, this looks like a huge Dowgrade from FF7 remake to me.

The best thing they could do is stop trying to cater to ‘fans’ of final fantasy at this point

According to some people in this thread it’s not final fantasy if it doesn’t look like pixel remasters lol

 

[Lethal01]

The best thing they could do is stop trying to cater to ‘fans’ of final fantasy at this point

According to some people in this thread it’s not final fantasy if it doesn’t look like pixel remasters lol

Well that's not me, again, I thought remake was drastically different than past games but also utilized concepts from past games to create unique gameplay systems, And while some may have issues with remake it's usually things like the controls not being snappy enough or not being able to tell Ai where to stay rather than hating the idea of being able to switch characters.

 

[sendit]

Taking a second look at this pic. That wolf is going straight for that `Bighorns` junk causing it 9 damage.

 

[sendit]

I wouldn't call it "too small", just not as profitable as other AAA games.

Other turn-based games manage to sell pretty well nowadays.
DQ11 sold more than 6 million copies (with a *much* smaller budget than FF 15).
Persona 5 more than 3 million copies.
And I'm not even taking into account Pokemon.

The problem with Squeenix is that they're just too greedy. They don't want "only" 6 million copies. They are not even happy with 10 million copies.
They want to maximize profit at all costs, even if they have to turn FF into something it never was (an action game) in order to sell more.


I'm not too optimistic about Dragon Quest 12, to be honest.
If they pull the same crap of turning it into some action-oriented game, I'm done with Squeenix.

I think you may be done with Squareenix

ref: https://www.gamesradar.com/dragon-q...te-will-change-combat-and-have-a-darker-tone/

 

[DenchDeckard]

What did Final fantasy VII remake sell so far? I think a devil may cry sequel to final fantasy XV is going to struggle to be honest. High fantasy setting as well which graphically looks like a good ps4 pro game.

I'll deffo play it at some point but it doesn't look like a final fantasy game to me, looks like a ditch effort by square to try something completely new to save the franchise.

I don't get how you have final fantasy that isn't an rpg.

All in on ff vii part two later this year though.

 

[Perfo]

What did Final fantasy VII remake sell so far? I think a devil may cry sequel to final fantasy XV is going to struggle to be honest. High fantasy setting as well which graphically looks like a good ps4 pro game.

I'll deffo play it at some point but it doesn't look like a final fantasy game to me, looks like a ditch effort by square to try something completely new to save the franchise.

I don't get how you have final fantasy that isn't an rpg.

All in on ff vii part two later this year though.

This new game is positioned to sell higher than latest entries, it’s obviously aimed at a bigger crowd than the usual. Specially because I’m not sure Square was that satisfied with FF7R total sales all things considered. They still want that 20ml sales many western big IP reach and they seem to be stuck at 5/8 for a decade. Look at Yoshida possibly managing to finally break that barrier…

 

[DenchDeckard]

This new game is positioned to sell higher than latest entries, it’s obviously aimed at a bigger crowd than the usual. Specially because I’m not sure Square was that satisfied with FF7R total sales all things considered. They still want that 20ml sales many western big IP reach and they seem to be stuck at 5/8 for a decade. Look at Yoshida possibly managing to finally break that barrier…

Sounds like the classic, let's try something that could potentially piss off all the old fans and also not land with the new fans we are going for...ultimately selling less than anyone hoped....

...if its a banger it may pay off for them...but why would any final fantasy fan come to this game and be over the moon that it's now a devil may cry game..?

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't....I'm sure some will love it...I'll probs enjoy it but I think we may see some backlash.

I have quite a few friends that love final fantasy, that I was chatting to on discord last night and they aren't happy it's an action game. Especially the female ones.......we all agreed that we can't wait for remake part 2 though...I think the first was awesome and I'm a ff vii fan too...loved the changes personally.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

My favourite FF was 13-2 so I don't mind different. But FF16 does not look different we can see clearly were they got their inspiration from. Or should I say From.

 

[Danjin44]

My favourite FF was 13-2 so I don't mind different. But FF16 does not look different we can see clearly were they got their inspiration from. Or should I say From.

Please explain to me what part this looks like “Souls” if you saying this because it has dark fantasy setting, you do know there games like Drakengard that came before Demons Souls with dark fantasy setting…..right?

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

My favourite FF was 13-2 so I don't mind different. But FF16 does not look different we can see clearly were they got their inspiration from. Or should I say Fro to draw inspiration from a variety of projects, largely internal, but also external.

Looks to draw inspiration from many titles to me. More so particuarly projects within the company from the 90s. Narrow view to have imo. I think some fans just can't shake the past and carry a grudge.

I grew up with the series in the 90s with turnbased entries, thought XIII and XV were very disappointing (but had some merits still like music, art direction and some story themes), don't enjoy a lot of modern media, particuarly super hero stuff, otaku anime filth, online games etc.. so would say I'm quite critical in general of newer works, but I can tell this will be a very good and memorable FF, more so for the right reasons compared to other recent entries. The series has always been about delivering a story and presenting a new world to me, which is the focal point of this game rather than open world slogging like the Witcher, Elden Ring, FFXV....

 

[CunningPlan]

Does the entire game take place at night? I haven't seen any day time game play of this.

In the previously released trailer 1:54 into it.

 

[ULTROS!]

Wow, it seems like a lot of the people here played FFXVI to say it’s not FF and it’s too dark and serious and say “that’s not how I want my gameplay”. What copies did you play, guys?

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I wouldn't call it "too small", just not as profitable as other AAA games.

Other turn-based games manage to sell pretty well nowadays.
DQ11 sold more than 6 million copies (with a *much* smaller budget than FF 15).
Persona 5 more than 3 million copies.
And I'm not even taking into account Pokemon.

The problem with Squeenix is that they're just too greedy. They don't want "only" 6 million copies. They are not even happy with 10 million copies.
They want to maximize profit at all costs, even if they have to turn FF into something it never was (an action game) in order to sell more.

Would you consider the witcher to be an action game? Or what about say... Vagrant Story?

I agree with this. Visually this game is VERY boring. No color, no CG cutscenes, bland art direction.

Can't say if serious. I would just take it that you are joking.

 

[CunningPlan]

Same.

Been playing FF since 2 (US) and its hard for me to revisit the turn based games now. A lot of people don’t want to admit it but turn based rpgs have very low sales ceilings.

I do wonder what they will do to FFIX when the time comes show the remake

To be honest I still like turn based games when I just want to chill, but something definitely needs doing to FFIX‘s combat as it’s the worse in the series in my opinion. Saying that it’s still my favourite in the series as the story and tone still haven’t been surpassed in any other game I’ve played.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Wow, it seems like a lot of the people here played FFXVI to say it’s not FF and it’s too dark and serious and say “that’s not how I want my gameplay”. What copies did you play, guys?

happens with every FF.

Actually, scratch that, happens with every PS exclusive.

 

[samoilaaa]

Consider that this game is coming out because there were tons of people in the last decade that found those games interesting, The fact that you are interested in this one is likely to mean it's changing things that people spent the last decade enjoying in final fantasy.
Again, this looks like a huge Dowgrade from FF7 remake to me.

ff7 remake was crap

 

[CunningPlan]

Wow, it seems like a lot of the people here played FFXVI to say it’s not FF and it’s too dark and serious and say “that’s not how I want my gameplay”. What copies did you play, guys?

I don’t get this argument about how dark the story is. Have these people not played VI, VII, IX or X? They all have very dark themes throughout albeit mixed with some whimsy.

 

[samoilaaa]

What did Final fantasy VII remake sell so far? I think a devil may cry sequel to final fantasy XV is going to struggle to be honest. High fantasy setting as well which graphically looks like a good ps4 pro game.

I'll deffo play it at some point but it doesn't look like a final fantasy game to me, looks like a ditch effort by square to try something completely new to save the franchise.

I don't get how you have final fantasy that isn't an rpg.

All in on ff vii part two later this year though.

what makes you think that it isnt an rpg ?

 

[GymWolf]

Surprised no one is talking about this:However, action gamers – do not fret. The skill ceiling is even higher in the third setting you’ll get to pick once you finish the game. Aptly named ‘Final Fantasy’, the New Game+ mode will provide players with an extra challenge should they be up for it, not only increasing the strength of enemies but also their placement throughout the game as well as providing players with full-on different battles.

I fucking hate this shit.

Hopefully the first run is not gonna be a cakewalk...

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

What did Final fantasy VII remake sell so far? I think a devil may cry sequel to final fantasy XV is going to struggle to be honest. High fantasy setting as well which graphically looks like a good ps4 pro game.

I'll deffo play it at some point but it doesn't look like a final fantasy game to me, looks like a ditch effort by square to try something completely new to save the franchise.

I don't get how you have final fantasy that isn't an rpg.

All in on ff vii part two later this year though.

The hot takes are really coming in on his one.

 

[Spaceman292]

I know, and I've just started it. But while I loved the first game and probably will this obe too(and wish the franchise to continue and grow), its not the same.

Same thing as Castlevania.People say that there are substitutes out there and sure there is, and some of them are on par with some of the best of Castlevania, but its not the same, as they don't share the music, the mythos, the "vibe" and so much more. It's not the same.

Sounds like you just want to replay the old games.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I fucking hate this shit.

Hopefully the first run is not gonna be a cakewalk...

Oh yes... that is the one thing I hate about this game and anytime devs do that to be honest.

DO NOT hide a difficulty setting behind a second playthrough.

The only reason that crap was ever a thing was to discourage people from selling off the game immediately after they finished it.

let us choose from the start, please.

 

[Spaceman292]

The hot takes are really coming in on his one.

People apparently still aren't aware that each mainline FF game is different. Tbf it's only been 25 years.

 

[Varteras]

Looks to draw inspiration from many titles to me. More so particuarly projects within the company from the 90s. Narrow view to have imo. I think some fans just can't shake the past and carry a grudge.

I grew up with the series in the 90s with turnbased entries, thought XIII and XV were very disappointing (but had some merits still like music, art direction and some story themes), don't enjoy a lot of modern media, particuarly super hero stuff, otaku anime filth, online games etc.. so would say I'm quite critical in general of newer works, but I can tell this will be a very good and memorable FF, more so for the right reasons compared to other recent entries. The series has always been about delivering a story and presenting a new world to me, which is the focal point of this game rather than open world slogging like the Witcher, Elden Ring, FFXV....

Look, JRPGs were always just a certain way until these stupid recent trends.

They were always turned-based. They never went with this more action style gam...

Well what I mean is, they were always about a party of characters. They never had just one char...

So, JRPGs aren't supposed to have these dark settings. They're supposed to be more light-hearted and...

Okay but look, Final Fantasy just never does well when it tries something dif...

SHUT UP!

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Yeah, I uh dont typically play any lengthy game more than once these days so locking the hardest difficulty behind new game+ is no bueno. Not a deal breaker but hopefully they decide to change that.

 

[CunningPlan]

Will they ever show anything other than combat? When are we gonna get a proper look at a town or city? Or some exploration in a cave or dungeon, or a forest, or some other cool looking location? How about a scene of dialogue between characters? Anything? I‘m getting pretty bored with this constant focus on combat; it‘s been that way since the very first trailer. Do they think people are so dazzled by their overly hectic looking combat system that no one wants to see anything else? Seriously, have we seen any kind of gameplay so far that doesn’t involve combat?

Can’t find the quotes but in April the RPG mechanics and gameplay loop will be showcased.

 

[GymWolf]

Oh yes... that is the one thing I hate about this game and anytime devs do that to be honest.

DO NOT hide a difficulty setting behind a second playthrough.

The only reason that crap was ever a thing was to discourage people from selling off the game immediately after they finished it.

let us choose from the start, please.

Even funnier when we know for a fact from several years of gaming stats that majority of players only play games once, almost never twice, hell most people don't even complete games...

If the campaign of kk3 and ff7repuke are anything to go by, the campaign in normal mode is gonna be a cakewalk for 95% of time unless it's your first action game ever...

People get their panties in a bunch for the 11 hours of cutscenes, but this shit is the real cardinal sin imo.

 

[SakkanartSilentJealousy]

I said holy shit. Eikons fight cinematic looks insane, graphics was jaw dropping. Ifrit be like atomic bomb lol.