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[bender]

Well its good then that the movie industry is as health as ever and not going to the shitter in the last years

Incorrect.

 

[Dick Jones]

Of all the arguments, SE explained that the reason FFXVI will be out as quick is due to Sony's support and the 6 month exclusive didn't even need to be there as they are behind with the PC version and don't expect it completed by the end of the timed exclusive period. Surely they have better picks, Superman maybe?

 

[Topher]

Oh damn I'm late to the party
lol news to me, I got a late start to my day

lol.......I hear ya. Lot of shit went down since then.

 

[Three]

Exclusives also don’t only come from first party. This year alone, Sony has two AAA Final Fantasy titles, Forspoken, Stellar Blade and Silent Hill 2. All AAA exclusives from third parties.

I don't think stellar blade is AAA. We'd be lucky if SH2 is.

Same shit I said from day one, but you guys just laugh and only listen to people who agree with you. Do you think it's normal for one of the 3 consoles to just be a laughing stock on here? "Xbox has no games." This is the argument and constant slander from vocal Sony fans. It's pretty obvious logic that if they have a more attractive offer for gamers, that means people are more likely to give their ecosystem a chance.

I don't think people saying they want games wanted games they were already getting but now not coming to another platform.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Very good news that CMA amended their view, this deal has a serious chance of being approved now. Sony should have signed the deal.

They don't have to sign the PR posturing. MS told the CMA they won't remove CoD because it will cost them too much money to do so. Phil Spencer said "as long as there is PlayStation, CoD will be on it," So normal deals shall resume as usual.

Who to believe, who to believe.

 

[reksveks]

Sony will get COD on PS5 for users to buy, I don't know what's going to happen re their offer for ps plus though. I wouldn't be surprised if that gets pull or maybe it gets a little more pricey.

 

[sainraja]

No new games that wouldn't already be on the platform anyway, just cheering the removal from other platforms.

That and how it made them feel about Xbox "supposedly" being smaller. I mean, how are they small when a company like MS is behind them?
MS competed just fine with the X360. What stopped?

Sure, I get why MS is doing this. It is business after all but reading some of the arguments being made in favor of it...it's just, just odd.

 

[Banjo64]

Nobody is going to take Kotick with all his baggage and make him an EVP at Microsoft.

He’s been better at his job than anyone in Microsoft’s gaming division over the past decade. All its take is for Egg to side with the money. I’ve heard people touting Sarah Bond as Phil’s successor. Laughable. If Kotick was an option and they overlook him for yet another journeyman, they’ll be giving themselves the bullet.

 

[Sony]

They don't have to sign the PR posturing. MS told the CMA they won't remove CoD because it will cost them too much money to do so. Phil Spencer said "as long as there is PlayStation, CoD will be on it," So normal deals shall resume as usual.

Who to believe, who to believe.

The contract Microsoft offered to Sony was a parity contract, including content. Meaning that Microsoft couldn't do exclusive DLC for CoD on Xbox. If a contract like that isn't needed anymore, then MS can do exclusive content. So it's a pretty big deal. Let's see what Microsoft does with the 10 year deal now it isn't strictly necessary for CMA.

 

[Kilau]

Incorrect.

Oh hi Shark

 

[sainraja]

Maybe PS will just leave it status quo? Their marketing ends after the contract, and the games just come out on PS as normal? Maybe MS still reaches out to see about getting COD on PS+ later in the game life?

That is possible, or MS could just charge more for that and have Sony turn it down basically.

 

[Topher]

The contract Microsoft offered to Sony was a parity contract, including content. Meaning that Microsoft couldn't do exclusive DLC for CoD on Xbox. If a contract like that isn't needed anymore, then MS can do exclusive content. So it's a pretty big deal. Let's see what Microsoft does with the 10 year deal now it isn't strictly necessary for CMA.

Phil Spencer already publicly promised Call of Duty would be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists. He also said there would be no exclusive COD content for Xbox.

 

[TheGodfather07]

sony right now.

 

[sainraja]

Phil Spencer already publicly promised Call of Duty would be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists. He also said there would be no exclusive COD content for Xbox.

So all he has to do now is make sure there is no PlayStation to put COD onto...
I'm just kidding but the way it was worded almost seemed like a sneaky threat.

 

[reinking]

Phil Spencer already publicly promised Call of Duty would be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists. He also said there would be no exclusive COD content for Xbox.

It will not be for Phil to decide. Last I head Spencer is out and Kotick is going to be in.

/s

 

[Elios83]

They don't have to sign the PR posturing. MS told the CMA they won't remove CoD because it will cost them too much money to do so. Phil Spencer said "as long as there is PlayStation, CoD will be on it," So normal deals shall resume as usual.

Who to believe, who to believe.

Do you think that Sony seriously trusts that stuff?
If the deal is closed without regulators requiring and enforcing COD on Playstation with parity, Microsoft will be able to whatever they want after current contracts.
The only problem for them would be creating the legal precedent of a company fooling and lying to regulators but they could still defend themselves by stating that it was the regulators' decision to drop console market concerns so why should they care?
Now I don't know what cards the Sony's legal team have left and I don't know their real goals and what they really expected out of this legal opposition...but trusting Phil and crew? Emmm no.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do you think that Sony seriously trusts that stuff?
If the deal is closed without regulators requiring and enforcing COD on Playstation with parity, Microsoft will be able to whatever they want after current contracts.
The only problem for them would be creating the legal precedent of a company fooling and lying to regulators but they could still defend themselves by stating that it was their decision to drop console market remedies.
Now I don't know what cards the Sony's legal team have left and I don't know their real goals and what they really expected out of this legal opposition...but trusting Phil and crew? Emmm no.

But Phil said!

 

[IFireflyl]

The concerns about the cloud market are still valid but Sony now has limited options.

It absolutely blows my mind that the primary focus around this deal has been Call of Duty. The cloud gaming aspect is the where the real bread-and-butter is, so to speak. That should have been the forefront of this entire thing from the beginning.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Microsoft should give Sony its mascot back as a gesture of good faith.

 

[Dick Jones]

Oh hi Shark

 

[feynoob]

Post in thread 'Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT|' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/microsoft-activision-deal-approval-watch-ot.1641775/post-267754698

Haven't dug into the maths, unfortunately it's mostly redacted.

from re

That math error. AFAICT, it's not what many assumed. The mistake was they took a single year expected loss from console switching in a foreclosure situation, and multiplied that by five to get a five year expected loss. A competitor (Sony?) pointed out that user spending drops over time, so the LTV over five years would be lower, i.e. greater incentive to foreclose than the CMA model suggested. But wait, that same competitor proposed an alternative solution for calculating five year LTV of losses, and that solution massively understated the potential losses, i.e. trying to make it look like MS had even greater incentive to foreclose. CMA acknowledged the mistake and also saw through that alternative solution.

CMA were using wrong math which was given by someone.

 

[Rac3r]

He’s been better at his job than anyone in Microsoft’s gaming division over the past decade. All its take is for Egg to side with the money. I’ve heard people touting Sarah Bond as Phil’s successor. Laughable. If Kotick was an option and they overlook him for yet another journeyman, they’ll be giving themselves the bullet.

Agree, Kotick is undeniably the bigger asset and clearly Nadella doesn't care about the controversy surrounding him. Nadella has openly praised him while Phil has publicly scoffed at ABK's workplace toxicity. No way they both stay. Unless Kotick willingly retires, good chance Phil gets the boot.

 

[Topher]

So all he has to do now is make sure there is no PlayStation to put COD onto...

 

[sncvsrtoip]

If Sony doesnt go and buy Take2 and use GTA as a bargaining chip then I just dont see Sony continue to be the force they are today.

Sony will be fine like Sega was, more mobile games, gaas, maybe nfts, bright future

 

[Banjo64]

It's not as bad as threatening military action against the UK, I'll give you that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/20/damaged-undersea-cable-leaves-shetland-cut-mainland/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage

These weren’t the work of the Kremlin or even:

No.

I’ve heard from a top source (who also advised me that the PS5 is actually an 8tf machine) that these incidents were actually the work of Microsoft.

Ordered directly by Egg in order to remind the UK and EU that he has the power to make them third world shit holes in the blink of an eye.

He was also about to order a Nimitz-class super carrier, had his mouse hovering over the shopping cart (only costs 40b MS Reward points), but then he got distracted reading a post by SenjutsuSage and by the time he’d finished reading he’d lost the will to live.

 

[DeepEnigma]

from re

CMA were using wrong math which was given by someone.

"Wrong math"

 

[feynoob]

"Wrong math"

Someone fed them the wrong formula.
Whoever did that was smart, considering how dumg regulators are.

 

[Baki]

He’s been better at his job than anyone in Microsoft’s gaming division over the past decade. All its take is for Egg to side with the money. I’ve heard people touting Sarah Bond as Phil’s successor. Laughable. If Kotick was an option and they overlook him for yet another journeyman, they’ll be giving themselves the bullet.

I think they will give Bobby the job. It’s been enough time for the PR blow back and internal blow back to be minimal. Especially with tech jobs being in short supply these days.

 

[Ozriel]

He’s been better at his job than anyone in Microsoft’s gaming division over the past decade. All its take is for Egg to side with the money. I’ve heard people touting Sarah Bond as Phil’s successor. Laughable. If Kotick was an option and they overlook him for yet another journeyman, they’ll be giving themselves the bullet.

You misunderstand. Kotick is a very savvy businessman and will most likely bring a killer instinct if he gets there, but He’s got way too much baggage at this point.

They’ll make a clean break with him at the next convenient point.

It’s not like he hasn’t had his missteps too, tbh.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Someone fed the wrong formula.
Whoever did that was smart, considering how dumg regulators are.

 

[splattered]

Phil Spencer already publicly promised Call of Duty would be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists. He also said there would be no exclusive COD content for Xbox.

Well i mean... it's a matter of parity. If Playstation wants exclusive perks for its fanbase then it's only fair that Xbox gets the same for its users. I more see this as a "Xbox won't have exclusive perks as long as Playstation doesn't" but i can't envision a world in which Sony doesn't have something like that in place, they LOVE it.

 

[Sanepar]

I'm trying to understand what does Sony gain by spending billion on developers/publishers that were already going to support them? They are the market leader so they will always get 3rd party support. Seems like a waste of money to me.

They will not because if Sony doesn't Ms probably will buy them. MS will take all big publishers they can.

 

[feynoob]

do you guys still like idas here?
He has new info from mlex.

 

[Banjo64]

You misunderstand. Kotick is a very savvy businessman and will most likely bring a killer instinct if he gets there, but He’s got way too much baggage at this point.

They’ll make a clean break with him at the next convenient point.

It’s not like he hasn’t had his missteps too, tbh.

We’ll see. I think they are more likely to get rid of him for the brownie points, but personally I separate the art from the artist so just hope they keep him in some capacity. If there’s one thing Xbox need with all these studios, it is that killer instinct.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Holy shit lmfao, how the tables have backfired

She's compromised. HEAVILY compromised. Almost the textbook definition of a crooked politician.

That and she has no understanding of what she is speaking about.

Sony will get COD on PS5 for users to buy, I don't know what's going to happen re their offer for ps plus though. I wouldn't be surprised if that gets pull or maybe it gets a little more pricey.

Any PS owner who is aware of these proceedings that goes on to buy COD, when they can just play it for "free" in Game Pass, is quite literally, an idiotic paypig. And I mean that.

Microsoft is counting on them to offset any potential revenue losses of having a game like COD Day 1 in Game Pass. That's how such a strategy becomes feasible. So people on another platform buying the game are just enabling that strategy and are foolish enough to think their purchase in that situation stands for something honorable, when it's just helping the people on the service get that same content at a significantly lower cost.

 

[Punished Miku]

You misunderstand. Kotick is a very savvy businessman and will most likely bring a killer instinct if he gets there, but He’s got way too much baggage at this point.

They’ll make a clean break with him at the next convenient point.

It’s not like he hasn’t had his missteps too, tbh.

I don't think Kotick is going to be kept. Studio managers are the assets, and the developers. MS has people to fill Kotick's role.

Kotick's big accomplishments are stumbling upon a hit with Call of Duty, and then forcing all studios to make that as fast as possible. The studio heads are the ones that get that done. That's the same strategy he used for Guitar Hero and Tony Hawk until the IP were milked to death.

He has business accomplishments for sure, including smart acquisitions with Blizzard and King. He also runs a tight ship in terms of firing staff, which is not something they need help with either. MS has execs. They need studio heads and developers.

 

[Dolodolo]

Finally the news about this shit will finally stop soon
If even having bought Activation Microsoft cannot compete adequately, then let them go to hell

 

[TheGodfather07]

They will not because if Sony doesn't Ms probably will buy them. MS will take all big publishers they can.

yeah. it would be defensive acquisitions to ensure PS still has 3rd party games but i feel they've already lost some of the biggest ones. elder scrolls, fallout, doom, call of duty. microsoft even own crash bandicoot!! this is embarassing for sony. what could they even do that would compare? GTA is the only thing left.

 

[Topher]

Well i mean... it's a matter of parity. If Playstation wants exclusive perks for its fanbase then it's only fair that Xbox gets the same for its users. I more see this as a "Xbox won't have exclusive perks as long as Playstation doesn't" but i can't envision a world in which Sony doesn't have something like that in place, they LOVE it.

Except Phil Spencer didn't put any parameters around anything he said. He used Hogwarts Legacy's exclusive PS content as an example and said they were not going to do that. Not "ifs ands or buts". Just "nope....not gonna".

I don't know, bro. Just going by what the man said.

 

[Dick Jones]

Except Phil Spencer didn't put any parameters around anything he said. He used Hogwarts Legacy's exclusive PS content as an example and said they were not going to do that. Not "ifs ands or buts". Just "nope....not gonna".

I don't know, bro. Just going by what the man said.

And Phil's word is his bond. He has never been economical with the truth

 

[splattered]

Except Phil Spencer didn't put any parameters around anything he said. He used Hogwarts Legacy's exclusive PS content as an example and said they were not going to do that. Not "ifs ands or buts". Just "nope....not gonna".

I don't know, bro. Just going by what the man said.

Yeah but the scenario is that PS has the additional content and Xbox does not, doesn't mean both can't have their own mountain dew gun skins for their players.

 

[Sony]

Phil Spencer already publicly promised Call of Duty would be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists. He also said there would be no exclusive COD content for Xbox.

Of course he said that, CMA was up his ass.

 

[Topher]

Yeah but the scenario is that PS has the additional content and Xbox does not, doesn't mean both can't have their own mountain dew gun skins for their players.

I get what you are saying, but that sort of thing doesn't seem to fit his style.

Of course he said that, CMA was up his ass.

So.....you think he was lying?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Of course he said that, CMA was up his ass.

Are you suggesting that Phil Spencer will go against his word?

 

[Sony]

I get what you are saying, but that sort of thing doesn't seem to fit his style.



So.....you think he was lying?

I'm saying he has no need for a contractual obligation to keep his promise now.

 

[Murdok]

Sony felt the blow, it doesn't even seem like it's the "exclusive game company"

 

[Topher]

I'm saying he has no need for a contractual obligation to keep his promise now.

Not keeping his promise is called lying, dude.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony felt the blow, it doesn't even seem like it's the "exclusive company"

Down 1%, just like the rest of the tech markets. MSFT was down today too.

 

[IFireflyl]

from re

CMA were using wrong math which was given by someone.

Let's assume that everyone on ResetERA is a fucking retard.

With that in mind, is this actually stated inside of the CMA's responses? Not the "new math" part, but the part about CMA completely disregarding Microsoft and solely listening to Sony. Because if that's stated somewhere, then the CMA should be on a hot seat for not validating the information prior to right now.

From what little I saw on the CMA document (I've had a crazy day, so I haven't sunk my teeth into it yet), it seemed like the CMA said that Microsoft actually provided new figures. And that by itself blows my mind, because where the hell was that math when they first submitted their findings to the CMA?

 

[reksveks]

Down 1%, just like the rest of the tech markets. MSFT was down today too.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/MSFT?