DeepEnigma
Gold Member
To be fair, you could say everything has taken a price leap in the past few years.
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The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom – Mr. Aonuma Gameplay Demonstration
LordOcidax
Member
Neogaf reacting like Neogaf with a big Nintendo reveal... This game is going to be massive CONFIRMED. Also, some people saying that looks like an expansion because 10 minutes of gameplay showing NEW GAMEPLAY mechanics... lolol. Never change Gaf.
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Camreezie
Member
However majoras mask.had 1 year , tears of the kingdom has had 6 .......
SpiceRacz
Member
You can't even see the game world beyond Hyrule Field.
Also,
It was being referred to as a trailer on GAF yesterday.
Flutta
Banned
What’s wrong with people enjoying good graphics?
Never understood this take people have. It’s like graphics isn’t a big part of gaming, it’s like we only should be expecting Tetris level graphics because otherwise you’re a ”graphic whore”….
Graphics and good gameplay can coexist, just because people like good graphics doesn’t auotmatically mean they don’t care about gameplay….
hemo memo
Gold Member
Anyone who says Majora's Mask was just a reskin of Ocarina of Time clearly didn’t play OoT or MM and talking out their asses.
SpiceRacz
Member
Eh, you're the one that brought up price.
Rodolink
Member
each time I feel less and less attracted to my fav game series, like they're now catering to a totally different kind of gamer.
those who like:
-survival mechanics
-construction of stuff
-physics
Nevertheless I'm a sucker for Zelda and always be, so I'm still buying and playing
even though right now i feel 0 hype and no will to play it.
those who like:
-survival mechanics
-construction of stuff
-physics
Nevertheless I'm a sucker for Zelda and always be, so I'm still buying and playing
even though right now i feel 0 hype and no will to play it.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah they can both exist and it’s lovely to have both but gameplay is undeniably more important if you can only choose one. It’s why games like Ryse and The Order are bargain bin trash but BotW is legendary.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Overall I think it looks like fun mechanically, but man - that overworld looks just as lifeless and empty as BotW.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
The silly idea that graphics and gameplay are somehow in conflict and one needs to be sacrificed for the other has been used as an excuse for ages, unfortunately.
"if you can only choose one" applies only to small/indie teams that have very limited resources, budgets, and manpower.
It does not apply in this case.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
There is big difference enjoying good visuals and being graphic whore. I’m looking gameplay it’s gorgeous looking game but it to some people considered shit because it’s not high tech enough…..but what fuck do I know, apparently FFXVI looks like PS3 game according to some people here.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I don't think people fully realize how insane that is. Any item in the game you can turn into weapons lol, combined with other items. Then augment them further with hundreds of things? Ice shield, steak sword, who the fuck knows lol. It has the potential for experimentation and discovery just nonstop. Then the vehicles. You can probably build fucking houses or bridges.
You guys thought "everyone had their own story" in the first one. People are going to be sharing their experiments nonstop in this.
Still have to wait and see how the rest of the game pans out. Story, dungeons, other new abilities, new enemies, bosses, etc. Just judging the powers alone, these are some of the most insane powers we've seen in a Zelda.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I was speaking specifically about when Majora's Mask was announced. Pictures of previews in Nintendo Power magazine, that sort of thing. At the time, it seemed like a low effort cash grab (what many people in this very thread are saying about this game without having played it or seen much of it).
My point was that people's initial reactions to the game, which were based entirely on looks, turned out to be very wrong once they actually played it.
SpiceRacz
Member
No, Nintendo is the one who brought up the price.
Yes that $10 increase is inexcusable.
Balducci30
Member
Basically imo - I don’t think this looks like 6 years of work on one hand - but I do think these systems are way deeper and have an actual effect on the gameplay than people are giving credit for. And it doesn’t seem they’re just slapped on top of BOTW they seem to change the moment to moment gameplay quite drastically - that and including the stuff in the sky makes this open world incredibly vertical in a way I haven’t seen in a game yet. This is the first trailer to impress me the others didn’t, I think credits due to going deeper into the exploration/experimentation aspect than just adding better graphics etc for a game like this
Stafford
Member
That's true. But if you watch a video of the game on a emulator on PC it looks great. It not looking very sharp, and also these grainy ass shadows and aliasing overall isn't doing it any favors. Those are my biggest issues, it's rough.
So even with better Contrast and colors it would still look really rough.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
In what dimension?
Variahunter
Member
It was honestly one of the most disapointing show I've seen fro this Zelda.
It's they didn't hear most of the complains about BotW.
They made BotW in 6 years. That include creating the complex physics and graphics engine, experimenting with totally new gameplay and systemic mechanics, creating the biggest map ever in a open world Zelda game, creating from scratch every weapons, NPCs, towns and 3D assets.
Took such an effort that they didn't have time to make real dungeons with bosses, and design a good progression system with items, hence why we had the durability weapon system and got all the sheikah abilities from the beginning.
Now 6 years later :
Same map slightly modified with new islands => low effort/low cost
Same graphics, arts and assets with some new ones => low effort/low cost
Same engine but retooled to allow new gameplay mechanics, which to be honest must have been a headache to make it work just like BotW => high effort/high cost
Same combat system => seriously, it's so poor and simple I can't believe they didn't try to refine it.
Durability weapon system is still here, and sheikah abilities are replaced by Hand abilities (and we'll get them in the beginning I'm sure).
They still didn't show dungeons.
Items probably won't be there as it's still the same formula.
What's mindblowing is that it's the SAME fucking map with alterations. How can we be ok with this ?
This should be an expansion and the game is even more expensive thant BotW !
The joy of playing BotW came from the exploration and experimenting those fresh (at the time) new gameplay mechanics. Even though that exploration slowly faded with time when you understood that you weren't rewarded accordingly with good gear. Weapons that share the same moveset and are basically just better disguised stats are not interesting, and that's not even taking into account that they break... The combat system being so poor is at fault too.
The new gimmicks just scream "more BotW" to me. Without the incredible feeling of exploration that the first one had.
At this point they should just make an open world LEGO game.
I pre-ordered the game for a cheap price so I don't think I will cancel it, but this is so depressing seeing that Zelda could be much more than that. With the open world in BotW I basically wanted the realisation of this old artwork from AlttP :
Basically what Elden Ring gave me. But with the Zelda feel, with classic items. I like the new sheikah powers, but these should add to the existing formula and enhance it, not replace it.
It's they didn't hear most of the complains about BotW.
They made BotW in 6 years. That include creating the complex physics and graphics engine, experimenting with totally new gameplay and systemic mechanics, creating the biggest map ever in a open world Zelda game, creating from scratch every weapons, NPCs, towns and 3D assets.
Took such an effort that they didn't have time to make real dungeons with bosses, and design a good progression system with items, hence why we had the durability weapon system and got all the sheikah abilities from the beginning.
Now 6 years later :
Same map slightly modified with new islands => low effort/low cost
Same graphics, arts and assets with some new ones => low effort/low cost
Same engine but retooled to allow new gameplay mechanics, which to be honest must have been a headache to make it work just like BotW => high effort/high cost
Same combat system => seriously, it's so poor and simple I can't believe they didn't try to refine it.
Durability weapon system is still here, and sheikah abilities are replaced by Hand abilities (and we'll get them in the beginning I'm sure).
They still didn't show dungeons.
Items probably won't be there as it's still the same formula.
What's mindblowing is that it's the SAME fucking map with alterations. How can we be ok with this ?
This should be an expansion and the game is even more expensive thant BotW !
The joy of playing BotW came from the exploration and experimenting those fresh (at the time) new gameplay mechanics. Even though that exploration slowly faded with time when you understood that you weren't rewarded accordingly with good gear. Weapons that share the same moveset and are basically just better disguised stats are not interesting, and that's not even taking into account that they break... The combat system being so poor is at fault too.
The new gimmicks just scream "more BotW" to me. Without the incredible feeling of exploration that the first one had.
At this point they should just make an open world LEGO game.
I pre-ordered the game for a cheap price so I don't think I will cancel it, but this is so depressing seeing that Zelda could be much more than that. With the open world in BotW I basically wanted the realisation of this old artwork from AlttP :
Basically what Elden Ring gave me. But with the Zelda feel, with classic items. I like the new sheikah powers, but these should add to the existing formula and enhance it, not replace it.
LordOcidax
Member
So, having new gameplay mechanics with a totally new story and a bigger world is making the game less interest for you... thats weird.each time I feel less and less attracted to my fav game series, like they're now catering to a totally different kind of gamer.
those who like:
-survival mechanics
-construction of stuff
-physics
Nevertheless I'm a sucker for Zelda and always be, so I'm still buying and playing
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It was inexcusable not that long ago. I wonder what changed?Yes that $10 increase is inexcusable.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Art style>graphics
If your art style is bad, no matter how much you push details it will still look bad. Botw/TotK art style is gorgeous. That’s why I would take it over whatever on PS5 or SX. R&C: RA is the only exception. Again, because of art style.
Like what game exactly? I can't recall many games from 2017 that were this ambitious gameplay wise. If they did, they were really limited and focused on one or two things or on PC and were quite broken. At least...I can't think of any open world adventure games that relied so heavily on physics based systems. Far Cry 2 and Crysis..kinda? Most games today play like games from 2013 tbh.
If you're talking about graphics, well I mean yeah, it's Switch, pretty much any game released even in 2017 looked better than most Switch games. Horizon Zero Dawn released 2017 and it alone kicks the shit out of any Switch game graphics wise(art/animation wise is debatable).
Not sure that particular reasoning is valid when we're talking about consoles though, because whenever we do bring up graphics and technical ability in gaming, PC tries to open the door to speak and the door gets violently shut in it's face so the consoles can do their usual graphics circlejerk(usually after the first year 'secret sauce' wears off).
But yeah, Switch seems to be creaking here, but it's been creaking for years, this will probably be a launch title for their new console, or will be ported to it later, so I doubt that will be too much of a problem.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I don’t know maybe and just maybe I like the visuals and it’s aesthetics despite not being high tech, OMG that’s sound super crazy!
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I hope they have a whole time rewind dungeon. That could be a head scratcher.
reezoo
Member
Can’t wait to go back to those soothing grassy lands.
SpiceRacz
Member
Flutta
Banned
You had to choose those two games lol, I mean there are people who enjoyed playing those games just so you know. Why not RDR2 or TLOU
Anyways BOTW isn’t a bad looking game. This new one looks outdated That’s what people are saying, no one can deny that.
Either way. I would rather have both. They are equally as important imo.
hemo memo
Gold Member
The “dungeons” on BotW was so bad that it is impossible to do worse so I’m sure even if we didn’t get proper dungeons, it will not be as bad as BotW.
Stafford
Member
That I can understand, but you have to admit that it looks rough. The grainy, aliased shadows and overall not very clean looking, nor very crisp. Xenoblade for example is way better in those regards.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I can’t wait to do free fall like I did with Gravity Rush 2 in this game.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Considering that it looks like mud, yes.
Breath of the Wild is from 2017.
Hard to be soothed by grass when it has jaggies that could cut you.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
I'm actually a little excited by the fact that it looks slightly rough. What I mean is, it looks like they are just 100% going all in on gameplay first this time.
That giant spear they made doesn't fit on his back well. It probably clips through objects and doors. It looks bizarre and unrealistic. But is it fun to have a spear that's way longer than it should be? Yes.
Graphically, the game definitely looks dated. But that was basically unavoidable to have a decent framerate.
This to me seems like the Zelda B team. They haven't shown one interview with Fujibayashi. He's probably working on the next true original entry, and probably has been for some time.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Switch it’s not powerful system but despite of that it looks good to me. Xenoblade also great looking game but remember that game’s world it’s not as interactive as Zelda.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Doug Bowser: It will be well worth the $70 price tag!
Many of us today after seeing a BOTW expansion and attaching a rock to a twig for 10 minutes, and the translator saying after every single thing "Oh wow how about that!!??"
Many of us today after seeing a BOTW expansion and attaching a rock to a twig for 10 minutes, and the translator saying after every single thing "Oh wow how about that!!??"
Rodolink
Member
those are not new gameplay mechanics though, can be found in many games already.(i don't play those)
I'm sold for the story, lore of course. I'm just saying the gameplay makes it less appealing that's all.
F31 Leopard
Member
So that leaked pics of the OLED model were real then.
https://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-getting-a-switch-oled-model/
https://nintendoeverything.com/rumor-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom-getting-a-switch-oled-model/
Captain Toad
Banned
If God of War Ragnarok and Tears of the Kingdom are examples of bad sequels, I'm interested which you consider good. Crackdown 3?
cireza
Member
I hope they have a dungeon.
I know it is. So you're just saying it looks like BOTW? In what way, the graphics or gameplay?
Because it is a direct sequel to BOTW on the same hardware, so you're likely not going to get a massive boost in graphical quality. Well you could, if you aren't too ambitious in your gameplay objectives which could tax your engine I suppose.
As for gameplay, they clearly showed off a number of things that could shake up the gameplay or at least, are different to BOTW's setup, as per a sequel anyway.
I suppose some people were expecting a MM type makeover? Complete with a graphical overall or a different look and approach, or something that stands out as definitive gameplay mechanic like the masks and time reversing perhaps. Don't know what to say then, not all sequels are going to be like that.
LordOcidax
Member
I mean... You can play the game in a traditional way if you want. Is up to you, like BOTW.