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[digoutyoursoul]

I want Xbox to succeed because if anything they've pushed PS to implement things that benefit PS users - cross game chat and trophies weren't a thing and they had to be brought up to standard. PS Plus (whether you like it or don't) wouldn't exist if it weren't for Gamepass. Xbox doesn't really seem to excel at anything at the moment so hoping whatever games eventually come out for Xbox are big hits.

So do I. I want Xbox to be great, its why I’m so critical. Sometimes it feels like a different brand to what was there with 360. Some of their media buddy’s don’t help matters at all imo.

 

[Verchod]

Imbecile. The very reason people buy the other consoles over his is Games. Good games, but not just food games, First party games. If your own stuff is poor, or non existent, why should anyone buy your console?

With the number of studios Xbox has now, they should be able to release a least one decent title, just by chance!

They should just stop dicking around wasting money on buying Activision and hire some people who know how to organise the Xbox studios so they can release solid titles, on time.
If the titles they've already announced were released on time, and were good, they could easily attract gamers in. If they could get a decent run of good games, people would take notice. If Microsoft don't care about that, they'll never get anywhere.
I have said this before, but Microsoft have been in this game business now for over Twenty years, and I don't feel they've left any decent mark on the industry. No legacy. If they left now, what difference would it make to gaming? Fuck all.

But they could, if they tried.

 

[Tams]

People are mostly missing the point of what he said. He readjusted expectations and said that no matter what they won’t be able to out console PlayStation or Nintendo.

It doesnt mean they won’t make great games. But it does mean that if you are looking for a console that will bring you exclusives, a very focused experience, or if you are expecting to be on the number one console ecosystem then Xbox isn’t it.

Xbox is a part of their strategy but people have to accept their strategy is not making a better console than PlayStation or Nintendo. But if you like gamepass there it is.

But some could, if they wanted too.

Microsoft have a history of fucking up ecosystems. Apple haven't managed themselves the largest. Google has (for now) theirs, as does Amazon. Hell, even Microsoft with Windows and Office.

But Windows Phone/ Mobile (second attempt) failed. Multiple times. WOA is going mediocre because no one gave a fuck about UWPs. And now Xbox with almost no fucking games, and some of the main ones there are being broken.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It’s a Bethesda RPG. Have you played any of them? Skyrim is super janky too but is still no doubt a high ”level” game which even recently released games can be beaten by if you look at steamcharts.

Now we essentially get Skyrim in space. Different combat but assumably as deep as an RPG with player choices and factions and quests etc. 1000 planets. You can build your own planet bases. Build your own spaceship. Interact with any object you can pick up. Explore, craft, trade, attack, loot, defend, pirate, etc.

Don’t be a Debbie Downer on this game, it’ll be great.

And there is absolutely voice-acting, more lines than in any other Bethesda RPG, 250,000+ lines, Skyrim had 60,000.

As for the manual landings. Have you played No Man’s Sky? I’m at 500+ hours. The first thing I do at a new interesting planet is building a teleporter, because flying manually gets tedious fast. So I’m thinking they did the right thing there.
I’m just hoping there is a manual marker so you can like rotate the planet and choose multiple landing places on different sides of the planets.

Skyrim was great for its time, a proper AAA. But that was 12 years and 2 generations ago.

Shouldn't there be significant improvements and additions in how games are made 12 years and 2 generations later? If we get a very similar game 12 years later -- with the same cut corners and shortcomings -- can the new game even be called a true AAA?

Just a thought.

 

[solidus12]

So now that the CMA blocked the deal, it’s basically this:

 

[MasterCornholio]

So now that the CMA blocked the deal, it’s basically this:

 

[Crayon]

Skyrim was great for its time, a proper AAA. But that was 12 years and 2 generations ago.

Shouldn't there be significant improvements and additions in how games are made 12 years and 2 generations later? If we get a very similar game 12 years later -- with the same cut corners and shortcomings -- can the new game even be called a true AAA?

Just a thought.

As successful as skyrim and fallout are, nobody else really makes games like that. I think starfield could be skyrim in space and be a really special game. In fact, I'd call that my reasonable best case.

 

[Fredrik]

Skyrim was great for its time, a proper AAA. But that was 12 years and 2 generations ago.

Shouldn't there be significant improvements and additions in how games are made 12 years and 2 generations later? If we get a very similar game 12 years later -- with the same cut corners and shortcomings -- can the new game even be called a true AAA?

Just a thought.

Yes it can if there is no other RPG doing more, which there isn’t. Starfield seems to combine No Man’s Sky, Mass Effect and Skyrim (or Fallout) into one package. Starfield is in a quite unique position in the industry to be honest, there are many games that are doing parts of what Starfield is doing but there is nothing that does it all that I know of.
If NMS got deep roleplaying and big cities and rewarding exploration and object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Mass Effect had more planets, crafting and building, object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Skyrim had 1000 planets and spaceships it would get close.
Lots of ifs

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yes it can if there is no other RPG doing more, which there isn’t. Starfield seems to combine No Man’s Sky, Mass Effect and Skyrim (or Fallout) into one package. Starfield is in a quite unique position in the industry to be honest, there are many games that are doing parts of what Starfield is doing but there is nothing that does it all that I know of.
If NMS got deep roleplaying and big cities and rewarding exploration and object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Mass Effect had more planets, crafting and building, object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Skyrim had 1000 planets and spaceships it would get close.
Lots of ifs

One thing you learn in life is to try to do specific things really well as opposed to many things only average.

Starfield reminds me a lot of Peter Molyneux's constant over promising and under-delivering.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Yes it can if there is no other RPG doing more, which there isn’t. Starfield seems to combine No Man’s Sky, Mass Effect and Skyrim (or Fallout) into one package. Starfield is in a quite unique position in the industry to be honest, there are many games that are doing parts of what Starfield is doing but there is nothing that does it all that I know of.
If NMS got deep roleplaying and big cities and rewarding exploration and object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Mass Effect had more planets, crafting and building, object interaction and physics it would get close.
If Skyrim had 1000 planets and spaceships it would get close.
Lots of ifs

But most big games do something different. Isn't it unfair to excuse the cut-corners because no other game is doing what one game is doing?

For example, Horizon Forbidden West lets you ride machines both in the air and underwater. It lets you fight giant machines with breakable components. So there is a ton of CPU processing needed to take into account the numerous machines, their different combat, mechanics and move sets, as well as the calculation for the destructible components and how you use them. And all of the items you break from different machines can be picked, stored, crafted, and used.

There is no other game like that.

Can that be used as an excuse if Horizon Forbidden West was also 30 FPS, had no mo-cap, had very poor graphics, and animation, etc.?

(while it may seem I'm arguing, I'm honestly not. I think this is just a very interesting and important conversation that nobody is having, so I'm happy with your arguments and discourse).

 

[DenchDeckard]

One thing you learn in life is to try to do specific things really well as opposed to many things only average.

Starfield reminds me a lot of Peter Molyneux's constant over promising and under-delivering.

I think that this will be Todd's biggest game then he is 100 percent going to leave Bethesda. Probably 2 to 3 months after launch.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Well maybe he is playing the Jim Ryan card as a victim too for the regulators making this public statements.

As Jaffee said, completely destroy your marketing haveing your fanbase question your existence for UK regulators to change there minds after reviewing millions of documents after viewing an American games cast show....seems reasonable and something i could see MS thinking would work lmao

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Here's a very well written and well sourced article about this subject.

Opinion: For Xbox, The Phil Spencer Era Is Over - Lords of Gaming

Phil Spencer has been in charge of Xbox since 2014 to elevate the brand, however, recently it seems that Xbox is at a major crossroads.

lordsofgaming.net

At this point, it's better for everyone (but Sony and Nintendo) that Phil cedes his place to someone who's willing to drastically change Xbox's direction and studio management.

You guys are being suckered. MS lawyers are collecting all these post to use in the activision suit.

If they do it then Sony can do it too. And they'll show a majority of the posts saying it's best that Microsoft doesn't bring Activision into their wing to mismanage their studios as badly as they already do their current 1st parties.
The problem with Microsoft isn't either the number of studios nor IP.

 

[aygomyownroad]

Cancelled my Xbox Gamepass account, and decided to get the PS plus premium instead.

I’ve not really played the ps4/5 much so to get a whole load of games to catch up on is great and will keep me entertained.

I love being able to switch from game to game on the Xbox but it’s the same 4 games I’m playing.

First up: Cult of Lamb

 

[RCU005]

If they left now, what difference would it make to gaming? Fuck all.

They left a legacy: Charge for online play.

Another legacy: Pro controllers with buttons that should be standard but now cost double.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Complete BS

The mindset is complete BS, I understand the backlash, but he's right in the sense that in the console space, and in many other devices, loyalty towards a brand sometimes can have a bigger influence than all the work you put into it, it can be disheartening.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

The mindset is complete BS, I understand the backlash, but he's right in the sense that in the console space, and in many other devices, loyalty towards a brand sometimes can have a bigger influence than all the work you put into it, it can be disheartening.

Sony didnt face that after X360?

 

[Heisenberg007]

The mindset is complete BS, I understand the backlash, but he's right in the sense that in the console space, and in many other devices, loyalty towards a brand sometimes can have a bigger influence than all the work you put into it, it can be disheartening.

But ... what work?

That's the problem that most people have. Xbox still hasn't released any meaningful big tentpole AAA game since this gen launched -- let alone consistently. How can Phil say that this way of releasing great games won't work when they haven't even tried it?

 

[Sethbacca]

I want Xbox to succeed because if anything they've pushed PS to implement things that benefit PS users - cross game chat and trophies weren't a thing and they had to be brought up to standard. PS Plus (whether you like it or don't) wouldn't exist if it weren't for Gamepass. Xbox doesn't really seem to excel at anything at the moment so hoping whatever games eventually come out for Xbox are big hits.

I could have done without Achievements or Trophies ever having been implemented. IMHO it lead to the checklist-ification of gaming (see : Ubisoft). Achievements as gameplay is not gameplay, and the only people that care about gamerscores or trophy scores or whatever are in epeen measuring competitions.

 

[Fredrik]

One thing you learn in life is to try to do specific things really well as opposed to many things only average.

Starfield reminds me a lot of Peter Molyneux's constant over promising and under-delivering.

Just be prepared that it’ll be the things you don’t do at all that people will talk about. Starfield has some of those, and that’s what the negative people will discuss after the release no doubt, while the fans will play it and enjoy it and accept some minor omissions if the rest is great.

 

[Interfectum]

The mindset is complete BS, I understand the backlash, but he's right in the sense that in the console space, and in many other devices, loyalty towards a brand sometimes can have a bigger influence than all the work you put into it, it can be disheartening.

He's not right though. He's saying that because he's losing and making excuses for it.

 

[JackMcGunns]

He's not right though. He's saying that because he's losing and making excuses for it.

Agreed

 

[JackMcGunns]

But ... what work?

That's the problem that most people have. Xbox still hasn't released any meaningful big tentpole AAA game since this gen launched -- let alone consistently. How can Phil say that this way of releasing great games won't work when they haven't even tried it?

Hasn't tried? Define try. He's not a developer, so what can he do? He can push to acquire studios which we can arguably say that MS has been very agressive with that lately and even had to be blocked. Then what else can be done? has Jim Ryan gone into studios with a bat demanding games? No, so time is the only thing that can help them there.

They acquired the studios, but games take time. I know everyone keeps making stupid memes about Phil getting old and still waiting for great games, but let's put these acquisitions in a timeline and realize how ridiculous of an expectation gamers have.

 

[Interfectum]

We go through this shit every generation it seems like. Remember when Nintendo said to the world that traditional controllers were too complicated and the way to reach billions was to make it like a tv remote? Remember the Kinect? Remember when consoles were dead? Now we are in a time where consoles are "not enough" and the only way to reach "billions" is to have a cloud subscription. Speaking of subscriptions... remember when movie theaters were dead?

Phil's "play anywhere" bullshit is just another attempt to move beyond the video game console and reach those sacred "billions" of users. Never going to happen, btw. Those users are taken by mobile games and passive entertainment, but keep hoping there's a billion people who want to play Fable or Forza out there.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Just be prepared that it’ll be the things you don’t do at all that people will talk about. Starfield has some of those, and that’s what the negative people will discuss after the release no doubt, while the fans will play it and enjoy it and accept some minor omissions if the rest is great.

That's what I'm talking about.

You have to build basic requirements into your game. Scope creep is where we get all the bugs and performance issues. It's the areas of the game where they didn't have time to resolve the bugs that QA finds.

A lot of eyeballs on this game, so I don't think it will get a pass for being buggy unless it is just unbelievably advanced overall, and from what we've seen it doesn't look like it is. Honestly, looks like a previous-gen game, which fair or not is going to be compared to Spider-Man 2. Which will probably be the best-looking game of the generation so far.

 

[Interfectum]

Hasn't tried? Define try. He's not a developer, so what can he do? He can push to acquire studios which we can arguably say that MS has been very agressive with that lately and even had to be blocked. Then what else can be done? has Jim Ryan gone into studios with a bat demanding games? No, so time is the only thing that can help them there.

They acquired the studios, but games take time. I know everyone keeps making stupid memes about Phil getting old and still waiting for great games, but let's put these acquisitions in a timeline and realize how ridiculous of an expectation gamers have.

Maybe he just sucks at this job and needs to be replaced. They had a chance with Series X but have blown it big time with either botched releases like Halo and Redfall or nothing at all like the year of 2022.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

We go through this shit every generation it seems like. Remember when Nintendo said to the world that traditional controllers were too complicated and the way to reach billions was to make it like a tv remote? Remember the Kinect? Remember when consoles were dead? Now we are in a time where consoles are "not enough" and the only way to reach "billions" is to have a cloud subscription. Speaking of subscriptions... remember when movie theaters were dead?

Phil's "play anywhere" bullshit is just another attempt to move beyond the video game console and reach those sacred "billions" of users. Never going to happen, btw. Those users are taken by mobile games and passive entertainment, but keep hoping there's a billion people who want to play Fable or Forza out there.

I mean you're kind of cherry-picking and exaggerating.

Nintendo said traditional controllers were too complicated and what is the switch control based on? More traditional than the wii mote.

Not sure what we're supposed to remember about the Kinect other than the wii and kinect prove the execution and vision are everything.

Not sure when anyone said consoles were dead. We've seen pretty continued growth, albeit slowed growth for the last 20+ years. That being said we are seeing somewhat of a ceiling on console numbers and we know there are more consumers out there who want to play games.

Movie theaters are also still struggling and non comic book movies are really struggling for the most part. Cable is also dying.

play anywhere is recognition that their model isn't working and that they can't compete, but there are other consumers to fight for. Will you get billions? Not with cloud gaming while half the planet doesn't have good internet, but a combination of console and cloud will certainly reach more people.

Did the video rental store die? Did telephone booths die? Did phone operators/411 die? Is physical media dying for tv/movies? Is it dying for games? Like you can't ignore that things do in fact change. Is it hard to predict with certainty how and when? Sure, if we could we'd all be millionaires and billionaires.

 

[Fredrik]

A lot of eyeballs on this game, so I don't think it will get a pass for being buggy unless it is just unbelievably advanced overall, and from what we've seen it doesn't look like it is. Honestly, looks like a previous-gen game, which fair or not is going to be compared to Spider-Man 2. Which will probably be the best-looking game of the generation so far.

Elden Ring looked like a last gen game and Horizon Forbidden West was a graphical masterpiece.
It’s not just about graphics.

 

[Bernoulli]

duh have you seen an apple consumer switch away?

i keep switching between the two
if the new regulations allow sideloading that will change

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Elden Ring looked like a last gen game and Horizon Forbidden West was a graphical masterpiece.
It’s not just about graphics.

Elden Ring didn't look amazing, but FromSoftware probably has a better track record at the moment than Bethesda.

 

[Interfectum]

play anywhere is recognition that their model isn't working and that they can't compete, but there are other consumers to fight for. Will you get billions? Not with cloud gaming while half the planet doesn't have good internet, but a combination of console and cloud will certainly reach more people.

They won't. There aren't "other people to get" if they lose the console market. Why would they fund $100 million+ games to serve a niche cloud gaming audience? They have Fortnite on cloud right now and that has barely moved the needle. It's not happening. If they lose the traditional console market they are done.

Not sure when anyone said consoles were dead. We've seen pretty continued growth, albeit slowed growth for the last 20+ years. That being said we are seeing somewhat of a ceiling on console numbers and we know there are more consumers out there who want to play games.

There are other consumers playing games.... mobile games.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

They won't. There aren't "other people to get" if they lose the console market. Why would they fund $100 million+ games to serve a niche cloud gaming audience? They have Fortnite on cloud right now and that has barely moved the needle. It's not happening. If they lose the traditional console market they are done.


There are other consumers playing games.... mobile games.

They've already lost the traditional console market. Their market share is going to be close to the OG Xbox vs PS2 than the X1 vs PS4.

 

[Interfectum]

They've already lost the traditional console market. Their market share is going to be close to the OG Xbox vs PS2 than the X1 vs PS4.

Then they need to course correct right now. They can't win cloud and subscription without the foundation of the console market.

For Phil Spencer's plan of play anywhere to truly work, the core of the audience should be on console. Without the console this battle is already lost, IMO.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Elden Ring looked like a last gen game and Horizon Forbidden West was a graphical masterpiece.
It’s not just about graphics.

It's about the track record. From's games were always a gen behind the curve visually (except for maybe Bloodborne), the gameplay (an animmation) quality was always a generation ahead. Since Demon's Souls, from always delivered. Even DS2 was kinda nice, just not stellar.

Recent Bethesda games like F4 or F76 were wonky at best. With problems that were plauging the formula since Oblivion. And honestly, dated visuals are the least of my concerns with Starfield. I fear that a lot of gameplay woes and over-reliance on procedural quests, laughable wirting and resource gathering wouldn't be adreesed and we will get No Man's Skyrim in the end. That being said, it is really a time to throw Gamebryo Creation Engine out of the airlock, it is simply restricting game design. Engine is the reason why there is no interactive planet landing in Starfield.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

What a bizarre idea. The only reason I buy console xyz is because it has the majority of games I want to play. I couldn't give a shit less what company logo, or name, is on that thing. I just haven't bought an X because...well, where is a Ninja Gaiden that forces me to spend money on a console because I just have to play that shit? I've been buying consoles for decades now and it's exclusively all about the games for me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Then they need to course correct right now. They can't win cloud and subscription without the foundation of the console market.

For Phil Spencer's plan of play anywhere to truly work, the core of the audience should be on console. Without the console this battle is already lost, IMO.

They've already lost the console battle. The only console that's ever come back from this type of situation was the PS3 and Sony went into that the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, not coming off a weak generation like Microsoft is with the X1.

Also, Microsoft not wanting to call the Xbox, Xbox 2 because PS3 would sound more advanced was still a mistake, at least based on calling it the 360, X1, and Xbox series

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It's about the track record. From's games were always a gen behind the curve visually (except for maybe Bloodborne), the gameplay (an animmation) quality was always a generation ahead. Since Demon's Souls, from always delivered. Even DS2 was kinda nice, just not stellar.

Recent Bethesda games like F4 or F76 were wonky at best. With problems that were plauging the formula since Oblivion. And honestly, dated visuals are the least of my concerns with Starfield. I fear that a lot of gameplay woes and over-reliance on procedural quests, laughable wirting and resource gathering wouldn't be adreesed and we will get No Man's Skyrim in the end. That being said, it is really a time too throw Gamebryo Creation Engine out of the airlock, it is simply restricting game design. Engine is the reason why there is no interactive planet landing in Starfield.

This is why CDPR and Bungie are right to go with Unreal for their next project. Maybe not as a long term solution but as a bridge to the future.

Get rid of their tech debt and old engines and move forward, especially with heavy recruiting.

I think Bungie could have maybe used Decima, but that probably would have significantly delayed their project.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

This is why CDPR and Bungie are right to go with Unreal for their next project. Maybe not as a long term solution but as a bridge to the future.

Get rid of their tech debt and old engines and move forward, especially with heavy recruiting.

I think Bungie could have maybe used Decima, but that probably would have significantly delayed their project.

And that's why Kojima went with modern 3rd paty engine instead of another Fox Engine fiasco, yeah.

Sometimes you just have to let go to organically grow, in-line woth your ambitions and without worrying about the tech debt of your outdated tech.

 

[JackMcGunns]

Maybe he just sucks at this job and needs to be replaced. They had a chance with Series X but have blown it big time with either botched releases like Halo and Redfall or nothing at all like the year of 2022.

Maybe you're making the wrong assessment. Again he's not the one making the games, so accusing him of not releasing more games just doesn't make any sense. He's done everything he can in his power to make that happen, and now it's up to the developers to produce these games, but gamers want instant gratification.

Zenimax/Bethesda acquisition occurred mid 2021, that's last week in developer timeline and RedFall was already in production. The only thing Phil could've done differently in this situation was to delay the game, but that doesn't solve the drought.

 

[Interfectum]

Maybe you're making the wrong assessment. Again he's not the one making the games, so accusing him of not releasing more games just doesn't make any sense. He's done everything he can in his power to make that happen, and now it's up to the developers to produce these games, but gamers want instant gratification.

Zenimax/Bethesda acquisition occurred mid 2021, that's last week in developer timeline and RedFall was already in production. The only thing Phil could've done differently in this situation was to delay the game, but that doesn't solve the drought.

CEO's job is to war game and position people for success. There's been minimal success and he's losing badly. He has the power, the mandate and the money to turn this around and he hasn't yet.

He went on a podcast and pretty much said the war is over and they are going to hope and pray for PC and cloud success. Can you fucking imagine the feeling that rippled through Xbox Studios hearing that?

Man I dunno, if I were his boss I'd be telling him to think of some "personal reasons" or "family issues" after Starfield releases and prep Xbox for a brand reboot.

 

[JackMcGunns]

CEO's job is to war game and position people for success. There's been minimal success and he's losing badly. He has the power, the mandate and the money to turn this around and he hasn't yet.

He went on a podcast and pretty much said the war is over and they are going to hope and pray for PC and cloud success. Can you fucking imagine the feeling that rippled through Xbox Studios hearing that?

Man I dunno, if I were his boss I'd be telling him to think of some "personal reasons" or "family issues" after Starfield releases and prep Xbox for a brand reboot.

You seem to have some internal knowledge on what he has and hasn't done. All we know is that he spearheaded backward compatibility, GamePass, big studio acquisitions like Zenimax/Bethesda and Activition/Blizzard. What else was he supposed to do? Just because ONE game that was already in production from a studio purchase that JUST happened in 2021 turned out bad, he's suddenly the antichrist. I understand the comments he made weren't exactly what Xbox gamers would want to hear.

Let's stop for a second and understand the hypocricy at play here, if Phil trumpeted how Xbox is killing it, phil is a liar, if Phil is comletely honest and tells it like it is, he's stupid for throwing in the towel and for not lying.... You can't make this shit up!!

 

[JackMcGunns]

Here, Spencer basically says there's no way the Xbox can compete with Sony and Nintendo, and then goes on to say that making great games wouldn't help Xbox compete.

I find this attitude utterly baffling, and I think we're now at the point where this dude needs to step away.

Am I doing it right?

 

[Topher]

You seem to have some internal knowledge on what he has and hasn't done. All we know is that he spearheaded backward compatibility, GamePass, big studio acquisitions like Zenimax/Bethesda and Activition/Blizzard. What else was he supposed to do? Just because ONE game that was already in production from a studio purchase that JUST happened in 2021 turned out bad, he's suddenly the antichrist. I understand the comments he made weren't exactly what Xbox gamers would want to hear.

Let's stop for a second and understand the hypocricy at play here, if Phil trumpeted how Xbox is killing it, phil is a liar, if Phil is comletely honest and tells it like it is, he's stupid for throwing in the towel and for not lying.... You can't make this shit up!!

There is a difference between "telling it like it is" and making excuses. Phil is doing the latter so no, your so-called "hypocrisy" is a bit contrived. But let's turn it around and look at your responses here. If we complain about Xbox games you deflect from Phil Spencer by saying he isn't a developer. Cuz.....apparently the CEO has no responsibility when it comes to the product that is being produced? But when it comes to things Xbox has done well like BC......all hail Phil Spencer?

 

[Sinfulgore]

It’s called opportunity cost. It’s higher for MS than it is for Nintendo or Sony because gaming is such a small part of the MS business compared to the money they make on cloud and enterprise software. MS needs to dominate to make it worthwhile.

Why would dominating the market be more worthwhile than just being profitable? I guess it doesn't matter though since Microsoft already dominates the market since they own both Xbox and Windows.

 

[Bernardougf]

There is a difference between "telling it like it is" and making excuses. Phil is doing the latter so no, your so-called "hypocrisy" is a bit contrived. But let's turn it around on look at your responses here. If we complain about Xbox games you deflect from Phil Spencer by saying he isn't a developer. Cuz.....apparently the CEO has no responsibility when it comes to the product that is being produce? But when it comes to things Xbox has done well like BC......all hail Phil Spencer?

stockholm syndrome... its literally the battered wife coming back from the 5th beating and claiming is not the husband's fault.. its alway something or someone else's

 

[sоlis74]

Imagine working on a big title and hearing this.

indeed

 

[Punished Miku]

stockholm syndrome... its literally the battered wife coming back from the 5th beating and claiming is not the husband's fault.. its alway something or someone else's

The death of the word "literally" continues without interruption.

 

[bender]

There is a difference between "telling it like it is" and making excuses. Phil is doing the latter so no, your so-called "hypocrisy" is a bit contrived. But let's turn it around on look at your responses here. If we complain about Xbox games you deflect from Phil Spencer by saying he isn't a developer. Cuz.....apparently the CEO has no responsibility when it comes to the product that is being produce? But when it comes to things Xbox has done well like BC......all hail Phil Spencer?

Phil wrote the code for the XBox BC porgram. He also was the leader coder on Peter Molineux's canceled project, B.C. Phil was also the lead artist and writer of the comic strip B.C. All hail Phil Spencer!

 

[Syphon Filter]

Xbox has had 21 years to "compete" and the best year they had in gaming they still managed to get outdone by their "competition" of the PS3 which was Sony's absolute worst year they've had. All this money from daddy microsoft, entering the console market to "take down" Sony and they STILL can't do anything worth a shit... Shit needs to change. Cause as again... This will go down as another year for xbox that absolutely blows ass. Bots better hope and prey starfield is worth a shit cause if not....

They didn't get outdone by PS3, 360 was way more popular that generation and "the" console to get.

 

[Topher]

They didn't get outdone by PS3, 360 was way more popular that generation and "the" console to get.

Maybe in the US, but PS3 was more popular in other regions which is why the two consoles were in a virtual tie at the end. I wish Xbox were on equal footing with PS5 like they were with 360 and PS3. That gen has some serious competition and I think everyone benefitted from that.