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[daclynk]

"Who cares if Redfall is shitty?, MS are making money with Minecraft anyway"

Respect yourself and don't be like those Xbox guys

i don't to be like anyone i like Games. Sony thought they had this generation figured out. So they were talking shit from the start of the generation when they were troll the competition about We believe in Generation shit, Lets the Game do the talking quotes. More Gamers bought into it and started shiting on Phil when he said only Xbox series games will start at 2024 or 2023 earliest. They built they fan base on Generational leaps with all those graphical teasers. They know their Fans and know how to control the public. More of the PlayStation Fans i know care about graphics, FPS and Resolutions. all they do now is Most
PS Hardcore fans: Realistic Graphics.(at least from my country).
Critics / VG Journalist : Emotional Story
Public : Wokeness.
They are ticking those boxes in every game they releases. Now they want some of those GAAS money. Why are people mad. If Graphics are important Order 1886 would have won game of the generation. i was here when All THOSE UBISOFT Fake Reveals, its time we call other developers when they do the same. I mean with the Powerful Systems we have now, i cant believe we still do CG trailer rather than In-Engine gameplay reveals.

 

[HawarMiran]

So... Horizon's GaaS game...

it is basically Monster Hunter in a different paint. Too soon to say if it fails

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Not really at all….no

Yeah it's nowhere near that bad but hey that's DenchDeckard for 'ya

This is all dominating the news cycle to a similar level...maybe I'm miss remembering.

I don't think there's the xbox pile on happening which is nice as there's nothing an xbox fan has the right to rip Sony for, like what happened with Craig. But, it does feel like even Sony fans like kinda funny have been reaming them.

When's ffxvi out? Hopefully that can get the sentiment back on track.

That's because Xbox had a month-long pile-on from the end of April to just the start of this week. RedFall, CMA rejection, X-Cast interview, more departures (IIRC) etc.

Craig Infinite was a culmination of several years of Xbox 1P failing to provide something visually stunning, finally biting them in the ass especially when Phil Spencer & others initially thought it was perfectly fine and good enough to show, or that it didn't need to be delayed. That was something to the root of the actual games question with Xbox itself.

This has not been PlayStation's best week, but even with a tepid showcase, they had several games there that looked very good. Sony's problem is they didn't deliver enough for a Showcase that's been almost two years in the making, and now it seems like some of the their GaaS titles are falling apart or running into issues that they 100% would not have had if they weren't pushing aggressively for GaaS this soon.

 

[Represent.]

Im not really worried about their GAAS Trash plans moving forward.

They will all be dead 2 weeks after launch, and they will go back to doing what the do best.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Yeah, but what I mean is. It's been a rough week for them...you can't take the silent approach again if you are Sony.....you wait 20 months to show people....SM2 that doesn't really look that much better than the ps4 game.

Now this news, this is like halo infinite Craig showcase levels of Ls...2 to 3 years of goodwill just shat away.

1. disappoining showcase after 2 years of waiting.

2. First Party games MIA

3. Factions basically cancelled

4. spiderman's graphics.

5. wiiu instead of a proper handheld.

6. GaaS vs Single player discussion

...i agree that it has been an awful week. it leaves a lot of uncertainty for the future (No road map).

They need to counter with something ASAP.

if FF16 is a 90+MC is going to take a lot of pressure off. this is why i think they dont need to do anything ASAP.

BUT....cleary they better show FP Games properly the next time they choose to open their mouths.

 

[Fbh]

I feel bad for Insomniac for how cheaply they were bought. Even tho I'm disappointed in Spuderman 2, Insomniac puts Bungie to shame as far as I care.

Yeah it's pretty crazy. They got acquired right before the whole acquisition/merger craze. Had the deal been made a year or two later they'd probably have been able to get a lot more.
And yeah I'm personally not that big of a fan of them, but they do put out quality games at a fast pace. It's crazy that 2 of the big early exclusives, the only big first party game for 2023 AND one of the few big known upcoming exclusives are all by Insomniac.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Maaan that sucks. If it’s true that they’ve also downscaled the team then I’m sadly sceptical whether we will ever get it.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

i don't to be like anyone i like Games. Sony thought they had this generation figured out. So they were talking shit from the start of the generation when they were troll the competition about We believe in Generation shit, Lets the Game do the talking quotes. More Gamers bought into it and started shiting on Phil when he said only Xbox series games will start at 2024 or 2023 earliest. They built they fan base on Generational leaps with all those graphical teasers. They know their Fans and know how to control the public. More of the PlayStation Fans i know care about graphics, FPS and Resolutions. all they do now is Most
PS Hardcore fans: Graphics
Critics / VG Journalist : Emotional Story
Public : Wokeness.
They are ticking those boxes in every game they releases. Now they want some of those GAAS money. Why are people mad. If Graphics are important Order 1886 would have won game of the generation. i was here when All THOSE UBISOFT Fake Reveals, its time we call other developers when they do the same. I mean with the Powerful Systems we have now, i cant believe we still do CG trailer rather than In-Engine gameplay reveals.

What the actual fucc is this trash?

This is just the hardcore bubble who hate anything GAAS. I do too

Casuals have had the complete opposite response to the showcase

Yep. If you check the Youtube vids the actual showcases have a lot of thumbs-ups (tho the ratio of thumbs-down is higher than usual). Spiderman 2 gameplay has tons of upvotes, very little downvotes. The comments under both are largely very positive, especially for the latter.

 

[zombrex]

How fucking hard is to to have two teams spawn in a map and kill each other to a time limit.
The problem is they want to work out a way to milk the players for the most amount of transactions as possible.
Don't forget the previous Naughty Dog games literally had paid matchmaking playlists.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

So its kinda confirmed they showed all they had on this last terrible show, alarming

 

[Varteras]

This popped up on my feed. Kinda mirrors my thoughts.

 

[Yoboman]

Did anybody post the full Bloomberg article cause I ain't paying for that shit

 

[Fake]

Did anybody post the full Bloomberg article cause I ain't paying for that shit

The Last of Us Multiplayer Game Could be in Trouble, Report Claims

A new report from Jason Schreier's Bloomberg has claimed that Naughty Dogs The Last of Us Multiplayer game could be in trouble.

insider-gaming.com

 

[Camreezie]

Why dont they let one of the shitty GaaS studios they accquired do TLOU online or would that require a level of studio management they seem to mot possess

 

[near]

Im not really worried about their GAAS Trash plans moving forward.

They will all be dead 2 weeks after launch, and they will go back to doing what the do best.

You will eat crow when Sony is making a shit ton of money off them and one or two of them end up having a huge following.

Besides I think its fair to assume Sony played a part in influencing ND to work on a GaaS project, considering their vision for the next 3 - 5 years. But Naughty Dog has always had a complimentary multiplayer component in their games up until this. And the multiplayer model has evolved since their last major effort. They fucked this up and mismanaged the project. I firmly believe this is not a Sony issue, this is a ND issue. #justiceforamyhennig

 

[HawarMiran]

How fucking hard is to to have two teams spawn in a map and kill each other to a time limit.
The problem is they want to work out a way to milk the players for the most amount of transactions as possible.
Don't forget the previous Naughty Dog games literally had paid matchmaking playlists.

yeah be grateful. the whales in those games will pay for our AAA single player games. Otherwise i don't see companies putting in hundreds of millions into games that don't bring in revenue over the years. Makes total sense that they want to have games a la Genshin Impact etc.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

In b4 (or most probably after) a slew of people STILL willing to defend fucking ANYTHING ND has done this gen.

When the most successful and original thing your video game studio is attached to is an HBO adaptation....and you delay what was supposed to be a COMPONENT released alongside a game you dropped LAST GEN.

Big fucking yikes. Delay two days after THE SHOWCASE, too. Ha

 

[Alebrije]

Sony released a 94 Metacritic singleplayer game 6 months ago. Let's get Microsoft there before we get in our bunkers

Yep but tell me what groundbreaking has Sony for release from now to May 2023?

Spidy cant hold all the company.

This show was for this , to have info about Factions advance, Ronin, and in general all big studios works..but instead was most 3rd party games and from Playstation besides S2 the rest are nothing but GAAS.

The first game smells pure crap , a formula that Ubi knows is a waste of money and time ...but Sony decided is great to copy Legions..and te premise rob the rich is lame..

Concord and Marathon basically we know nothing.



So yes IF Microsoft delivers with Starfield and has other nice IP would be the best because this could trigger Sony and force them to leave the State of Copium they are now.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

So its kinda confirmed they showed all they had on this last terrible show, alarming

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Yoboman]

For all the anti GAAS sentiment let's not forget that Sony hand is partly being forced here

It's not just that they would want a GAAS smash hit, but they NEED one. If ABK passes they have got 10 years in best case scenario to have multiplayer games that keep people on the platform and aren't at risk of being bought by the trillion dollar elephant in the room

 

[sncvsrtoip]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

I was surprise Factions wasnt there, then on twitter I read this funny rumor they didnt show so many titles they have because they sandbagging and now info about development hell of Factions, imo this info is more likely than sandbagging ;d Its what they get for taking gaas path and not doing what are they good at.

 

[Yoboman]

Yep but tell me what groundbreaking has Sony for release from now to May 2023?

Spidy cant hold all the company.

This show was for this , to have info about Factions advance, Ronin, and in general all big studios works..but instead was most 3rd party games and from Playstation besides S2 the rest are nothing but GAAS.

The first game smells pure crap , a formula that Ubi knows is a waste of money and time ...but Sony decided is great to copy Legions..and te premise rob the rich is lame..

Concord and Marathon basically we know nothing.



So yes IF Microsoft delivers with Starfield and has other nice IP would be the best because this could trigger Sony and force them to leave the State of Copium they are now.

They need more games I agree, 2023 is a sparse lineup. But if you need a game to hold down the fort then the sequel to the best selling first party game you ever made is a pretty good bet

 

[mitch1971]

Instead of playing to the strength of the MP's simplicity and including it with the SP, they have gotten giddy at the prospect of an expanded vision and realised it's not gonna work.

 

[balls of snow]

Again all these single player devs always need to learn that one time. Happened with Bioware, Bethesda, Arkane, soon with Rocksteady and now with Naughty Dog. Only difference is ND had Sony to stop them from releasing a bomba.
They think they can do a Rockstar. Not so easy huh.

 

[feynoob]

This popped up on my feed. Kinda mirrors my thoughts.

That letter is to stop the bloomberg news.

 

[Alebrije]

They need more games I agree, 2023 is a sparse lineup. But if you need a game to hold down the fort then the sequel to the best selling first party game you ever made is a pretty good bet

Hope it resists

 

[Varteras]

That letter is to stop the bloomberg news.

 

[MScarpa]

Rather have a full new game anyways. Wasn't a fan of this MP.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I was surprise Fraction wasnt there, then on twitter I read this funny rumor they didnt show so many titles they have because they sandbagging and now info about development hell of fraction, imo this info is more likely than sandbagging ;d Its what they get for taking gaas path and not doing what are they good at.

Ok cool but how does that apply to the other studios for you to arrive at the conclusion that Sony has shown they have?

Yep but tell me what groundbreaking has Sony for release from now to May 2023?

Spidy cant hold all the company.

Its not just spidey though, its Spidey and FF16. And they don't have to release anything else other than those till they are ready. Its not like the only games that a be played on a PS5 are games made by sony...

This show was for this , to have info about Factions advance, Ronin, and in general all big studios works..but instead was most 3rd party games and from Playstation besides S2 the rest are nothing but GAAS.

The first game smells pure crap , a formula that Ubi knows is a waste of money and time ...but Sony decided is great to copy Legions..and te premise rob the rich is lame..

Concord and Marathon basically we know nothing.

Thats actually the real issue here...we know nothing of everything that was shown... not that they are crap. You simply can't say that right now.

So yes IF Microsoft delivers with Starfield and has other nice IP would be the best because this could trigger Sony and force them to leave the State of Copium they are now.

Bruh... trust me... even if MS announces 10 great-looking games of which 7 of them are single-player whatever... you shouldn't be even bringing them up. They simply have not earned even giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

The mechanics in TLoU2 were great so I welcomed any game basically all about that. Shame it ain't happening at the expected scale.

I assume it'll be scaled down to a basic Factions level or similar.

 

[Yoboman]

Again all these single player devs always need to learn that one time. Happened with Bioware, Bethesda, Arkane, soon with Rocksteady and now with Naughty Dog. Only difference is ND had Sony to stop them from releasing a bomba.
They think they can do a Rockstar. Not so easy huh.

Naughty Dog have been multiplayer since 2008
Definitely superior on the single player front though

But Factions was damn good. For all the doom and gloom around about this, for all we know the delay is simply to take it from good like other Naughty Dog multiplayer games to great with the input of Bungie

 

[nial]

Let it get cancelled.

The only team that should be allowed to have any GAAS projects is Bungie, just leave them be and let them do what they do best.

Everyone else? All hands on deck on singleplayer experiences, stick to what you're good at.

Yes, I even say support their other studios that don't put any resources into that crap.

Team Asobi: “We want our games to feel like they’re made in Japan”

Team Asobi interview

www.gamesindustry.biz

This isn't one of those PlayStation studios looking to deliver a powerful narrative experience, or even one of the company's new service-based teams. Team Asobi, from its name down to the games it wants to make, is about something far more fundamental.

I'm waiting for Housemarque and Bluepoint to say similar things.

 

[Alex Scott]

Let it get cancelled.

The only team that should be allowed to have any GAAS projects is Bungie, just leave them be and let them do what they do best.

Everyone else? All hands on deck on singleplayer experiences, stick to what you're good at.



A big part of it is that this project shouldn't even exist in the first place.

A single player game studio making a multiplayer project that is likely on PC that will require even more resources. THese are not right decisions.
Create a dedicated multiplayer studio or buy one like they are currently doing. Leave your own studios alone.
It would suck if NaughtyDog only releases one game this gen. Also it seems like it when looking at Suckerpunch.

 

[balls of snow]

Naughty Dog have been multiplayer since 2008
Definitely superior on the single player front though

But Factions was damn good. For all the doom and gloom around about this, for all we know the delay is simply to take it from good like other Naughty Dog multiplayer games to great with the input of Bungie

Agree as a supplement not the whole nine course meal, factions and that uncharted 4 mp was alright. Also loved that Bungie out of all people was the one to lay the smackdown to Neil Druckmann. Haha.

 

[PeteBull]

Naughty Dog have been multiplayer since 2008
Definitely superior on the single player front though

But Factions was damn good. For all the doom and gloom around about this, for all we know the delay is simply to take it from good like other Naughty Dog multiplayer games to great with the input of Bungie

We didnt get any gameplay yet, for factions, lets wait and see how it looks/plays first, and if its f2p or actually ppl need to fork up 70$ upfront for possibility of buying mtx.

Full disclousure- im definitely not the target audience, so we gotta wait and see first how gameplay gonna look/how its gonna be received, then after launch if we getting meaningless playercount/engagement/bullets fired brags, or actual sold copies actual achievemnt.

Only then we will know if game was good/positively received.

 

[Yoboman]

Agree as a supplement not the whole nine course meal, factions and that uncharted 4 mp was alright. Also loved that Bungie out of all people was the one to lay the smackdown to Neil Druckmann. Haha.

Honestly my hope is that they do Factions 2 and it lives as it's own thing, they don't need to bother with multiplayer components in their future single player games

 

[TheZink]

This was my most anticipated game on the horizon. I’m bummed.

 

[adamsapple]

So... Horizon's GaaS game...

Has anyone, leak/insider or otherwise, confirmed that this was going to be the art style for the release, or was it just for place holder and testing?

 

[Varteras]

Has anyone, leak/insider or otherwise, confirmed that this was going to be the art style for the release, or was it just for place holder and testing?

I could have sworn someone said this wasn't even real. That no one in the public has seen anything about the game.

 

[adamsapple]

I could have sworn someone said this wasn't even real. That no one in the public has seen anything about the game.

I wanna say why would anyone go through the trouble of creating such an elaborate fake, but then I remember GHG tried to fool us into thinking Abandoned is a real game.

 

[Varteras]

I wanna say why would anyone go through the trouble of creating such an elaborate fake, but then I remember GHG tried to fool us into thinking Abandoned is a real game.

It's not??

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Bloomberg Takashi would've had a field day writing some BS articles about this if he could contort a way to tie it to hardware numbers in any way, shape, or form.

The guy loves to doom & gloom about PlayStation for some reason.

 

[hinch7]

Good. We have enough live service games in the works. We don't need ND going flat out on one. Give us the ND games we want to play.

 

[adamsapple]

It's not??

 

[Thirty7ven]

They must hold a lot of sway and veto power if they're able to force these kind of executive decisions in just one year of their acquisition.

Force?

It’s just a review process and recommendation. The teams talk about what would need to change, and a choice is made.

Bungie probably saved ND and Sony a failed project.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Fuck your multiplayer based on a single player game BS man. Hope it fails.

 

[Varteras]

Fuck your multiplayer based on a single player game BS man. Hope it fails.

 

[GHG]

I wanna say why would anyone go through the trouble of creating such an elaborate fake, but then I remember GHG tried to fool us into thinking Abandoned is a real game.

It was real to me.

---

 

[lh032]

i guess the only thing we can do is wait and see.
Luckily im not interested in GaaS

 

[Rac3r]

I’m very annoyed that we might not get Factions 2 at all now. Most people that played factions 1 just wanted an updated version with new maps, TLOU 2 movement and gunplay. They really tried to shift to a stand-alone live service game, while juggling two other projects and Neil going off to shoot an HBO show.

What the fuck man.