EverythingsOverrated
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This game looks dope. I don't get why people are shitting on it
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Insomniac: We heard you've been hungry for Marvel's Spider-Man 2 screenshots
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James Sawyer Ford
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Because they wanted something that doesn’t exist, the nebulous “next gen” stuff when the original spidey was already remastered for next gen
Some folks seem to expect ps6 graphics out of ps5
SJRB
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skit_data
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I think they made a pretty big mistake by having the gameplay set during sunset, it makes most of the outdoor lighting look flat. One would think developers would've learned from the Halo Infinite gameplay reveal never to showcase a game in that setting. Halo Infinite had some other problems too of course so it's not really comparable, but I really think both games would've faced less criticism if they'd only chose a different time of day.
I was thinking about how this conversation is likely to go and think it's going to end up talking about the definition of "in-game" and talking about builds.. The latter is sadly an unknown and therefore rather uninteresting to me. The former does get fun to have a talk about.
StueyDuck
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When did sequels become anything else.
We've had the same shit with GoW and even originally Horizon FW when It was first shown.
Since when is a sequel meant to be an entirely new engine
And then there's the hyperbole of the game I won't name because I get in trouble which is a sequel and did take 6 years and is basically has the same graphics as when the first one launched which now in 2023 is ugly
Im seeing a lot of profiles without pictures who you've never seen before in this thread saying some pretty console war like stuff
but hey who am I
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mckmas8808
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Their teaser trailer is what we expected. Nothing more, nothing less.
Heisenberg007
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CuteFaceJay
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So it is getting shipped with N64 grafix?
jkjk
ProtoByte
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No, it doesn't. Because the screenshots are way oversaturated.
Like, I know the demo was a graphical disappointment, but calling these bullshots is a stretch. There's no boost in texture quality or anything. It's literally just saturation.
DenchDeckard
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Nice touched up screenshots insomniac.
Shame they are on damage control, for the wider audience when the game will be great.
Shame they are on damage control, for the wider audience when the game will be great.
Msamy
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no those screenshots have way better lighting than original showcase , and there is only 2 options here :1- those are bull shots ,. 2- those are from newer build for the game ,and i realty hope option 2 is correct one
midnightAI
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Why do you think they are touched up? Photo mode, sure, but you think they altered them in something like Photoshop?
ProtoByte
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I think that's a little reductive.
There's definitely a contigent around here that expects too much in many ways, but I don't think better visual fidelity should've been out of the question for this. Forbidden West is a year old, cross-gen, and just as open world as Spider-Man 2, and it looks significantly better.
It's clear to me that Spider-Man 2 is still somewhat of a holdover from last gen; Insomniac's relatively faster dev times, and close proximity to Miles Morales was always going to make this a possibility. Still a disappointment though. Wolverine luckily won't have any last gen bones, but the 2-team development method might limit its full potential.
Again though, the thing that disappoints me the most is the gameplay. Such a wasted opportunity.
MatrixReloaded101
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Never said the sequel had to be in a new engine. I don’t think you understood my post.When did sequels become anything else.
We've had the same shit with GoW and even originally Horizon FW when It was first shown.
Since when is a sequel meant to be an entirely new engine
And then there's the hyperbole of the game I won't name because I get in trouble which is a sequel and did take 6 years and is basically has the same graphics as when the first one launched which now in 2023 is ugly
Im seeing a lot of profiles without pictures who you've never seen before in this thread saying some pretty console war like stuff
Also GOWR and Horizon FB were cross gen games aka ps4 games that were slightly enhanced for PS5 so no one expected a big leap for those games once it was revealed that they were cross gen.
In the past, you did see big leaps for some sequels especially if they were released exclusively for new hardware. But today that’s going to be less and less the case because these games take too long to make so it’s easier to just make the sequel slightly better instead of massively different tech wise to cut down on dev time. That’s exactly why we have gotten so much cross gen games along with other reasons.
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The sad thing is...even with the Bullshots it still looks like a PS4 game and still worse than SM1.
When near every SP AAA release for the last decade have been open world the open world excuse holds no water.
bitbydeath
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Here's an image from that scene I had captured from the trailer, looks better than both of the above IMO.
Dude outside of a near unnoticable implementation of RTrelections the water was just brought back up to SM1 pre remastered quality.
They also I guess added some wake effects which have been doable for 2 generations straight. In fact a number of PS2 titles also have 3d wake effects as well.
There is an extra forward facing light source.
Its subtle but it definitely adds depth.
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Portugeezer
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Doesn't say "captured on PS5" 
A Most Virtuous Cat
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Gameplay trailer graphics do not at all match the reveal trailer (also in game) graphics.
MidGenRefresh
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Spider-Man 2 just made Spider-Man on the OG PS4 look that much more impressive in my eyes.
Obviously the same?? Since when do sequel not update/change the gameplay. This with spiderman 1 look way to similar.
vaibhavpisal
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From what I can tell, this looks like sunset time/golden hour that looks absolutely beautiful in most games.
Here, they need to work on getting the colours right there is a lack of vibrance. Spidey suit (blue and red colour) looks dull. Golden light of the sunset comes across as weird, yellow colour filter. A lot of people refer to this as piss filter.
LiquidMetal14
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I hate that it's set in the daytime. My favorite time is dusk and the game sucks because of that.
Also I have to work. That's the games fault.
Also I have to work. That's the games fault.
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StueyDuck
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i was agreeing with you.
but now i very much disagree, in the past sequels absolutely weren't big leaps and we would get new games almost yearly, the leap from jak 2 - 3 was minimal with the biggest being jak 1 - 2, but that is as much of a leap as we are seeing from SM1 to 2. There's very few games in the past where each time we got a new entry in the title it was some huge leap in visuals. unless you want to use FF6-7 as an example which wouldn't make sense considering that's a literal leap from 2D to 3D. even the ps360 , i can probably count on one hand the number of times a games sequel came out on the same hardware and was a literal leap in generation of fidelity. Uncharted 1 - 2 is one of the few that comes to mind.
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it does when it uses ray tracing, these consoles simply arent powerful enough, AMD is no NVIDIA in the RT department.
Silver Wattle
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I hate all the use of what appears to be chromatic aberration on virtually everything.
Senua
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People have seen and played UE5 demos and are very spoiled
Kusarigama
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This particular screenshot is just very unflattering. Lighting is bad aesthetically not technically. The pose is just terrible, shoulders and chest look too narrow.
Edit: I forgot to mention that of all the screenshots they could have used, they used this one to be the thumbnail of the YouTube videos on both Marbel and PlayStation channels
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DenchDeckard
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Maybe photo mode, but the one where Spidy is squirrel flying looks particularly strangely touched up. His costume and the character looks like its been worked. Maybe we will see how photo mode looks at launch, but yeah they look photo shopped to me.
MatrixReloaded101
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God of war 2 to 3 was a big leap, Red dead 1 to 2 was a big leap, last of us 1 to 2 was a big leap…. there are a few examples.
I am not referring to games released on the same console. The key thing is Spiderman 1 was a PS4 game and just going off the teaser trailer for spiderman 2, people expected a bigger leap with Spiderman 2 including it being a PS5 console exclusive.
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Best visuals of the year.
He looks like an avocado
supernova8
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Fixed it for you
Nice gaslighting attempt though
"How dare you expect next-gen visuals from your next-gen console"
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Azurro
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I hope we are not forced to play as him much. I don't get the point of this character, except to get those sweet ESG points.
leizzra
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Wow, if those are problematic to you then what about The Witcher 3 screenshots - those were touched and even composed/glued outside of the engine (but shown as if they were from the game).
I don't see here anything unusual - we have crisp screenshots vs youtube quality (even in 4K there are artefacts and small details like mircodetail textures on Kraven skin, that are less visible in the video). Like the screens with Venom suit Peter and Miles - most of the stuff is on both images. The textures, the anisotrophic reflections on suits, polycount, etc.
There is a bit difference in camera placement and light conditions have changed - because of that we have an additional light in the back, and the whole image is less yellow and more blue (more natural). For me it looks like they've made a change since the video capture or there is a day and night cycle (but if I remember correctly they didn't wanted that in the story missions of first one for better control of the lighting and the mood).
I'm not saying there aren't any tricks used here (like maybe lens flare, or some particles and noise), the post process looks a bit better but it can be also that they improved that or the photomode/direct screengrabs gives that impression. Still it's nothing big. Even flying Miles for me looks like he was additionally lit to better show the textures and shader - Rift Apart had that function in photo mode. But it's not like a big difference that some are trying to push here.
I don't see here anything unusual - we have crisp screenshots vs youtube quality (even in 4K there are artefacts and small details like mircodetail textures on Kraven skin, that are less visible in the video). Like the screens with Venom suit Peter and Miles - most of the stuff is on both images. The textures, the anisotrophic reflections on suits, polycount, etc.
There is a bit difference in camera placement and light conditions have changed - because of that we have an additional light in the back, and the whole image is less yellow and more blue (more natural). For me it looks like they've made a change since the video capture or there is a day and night cycle (but if I remember correctly they didn't wanted that in the story missions of first one for better control of the lighting and the mood).
I'm not saying there aren't any tricks used here (like maybe lens flare, or some particles and noise), the post process looks a bit better but it can be also that they improved that or the photomode/direct screengrabs gives that impression. Still it's nothing big. Even flying Miles for me looks like he was additionally lit to better show the textures and shader - Rift Apart had that function in photo mode. But it's not like a big difference that some are trying to push here.
icerock
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They need to fix their daytime color which is a mix of yellow, orange and shit. I think that's vast majority of the reason why graphics look so dated.
And, yeah, I agree with people in here, some of those are definition of bullshots. If Miles section looked that like flying, folks would have their dicks out jerking each other off in next-gen graphics thread.
And, yeah, I agree with people in here, some of those are definition of bullshots. If Miles section looked that like flying, folks would have their dicks out jerking each other off in next-gen graphics thread.
SmokSmog
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That's from PC build version.
GymWolf
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I don't think insomniac has the balls to kill peter in this one but you never know with sony studios these days...
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SmokedMeat
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I don’t think the graphics look bad. People are really expecting way too much out of their hardware.
It also doesn’t help that the original teaser Sony showed was just movie scenes.
During the showcase when actual gameplay was involved, it naturally looked worse. It’s very much like playing The Last of Us Part One, where cinematic cutscenes show off amazing character models, while actual gameplay doesn’t look as impressive.
It also doesn’t help that the original teaser Sony showed was just movie scenes.
During the showcase when actual gameplay was involved, it naturally looked worse. It’s very much like playing The Last of Us Part One, where cinematic cutscenes show off amazing character models, while actual gameplay doesn’t look as impressive.
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