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[kazuyamishima]

False. Sony does own the show IP

They don’t own the license of players, teams, stadiums, logos and more.

MLB pushed Sony to go the Multiplatform route, Sony wasn’t too happy about it.

 

[Fabieter]

You think Nintendo's going to do away with physical games anytime soon? I think not, they have no reason to break something that's not broken. We'll see what happens in the future once Nadella and the board of directors at Microsoft finally takes away the gold conversion for Gamepass, for which they already somewhat tightened recently, just how do the consumers react over the coming years.

Its hard to know with nintendo but the WEF had released a video a few month back that they work for a future where the people own nothing but are happy about it.

 

[ManaByte]

They don’t own the license of players, teams, stadiums, logos and more.

MLB pushed Sony to go the Multiplatform route, Sony wasn’t too happy about it.

MLB was going to give the license to EA if they fought it.

 

[FrankWza]

They don’t own the license of players, teams, stadiums, logos and more.

MLB pushed Sony to go the Multiplatform route, Sony wasn’t too happy about it.

The own the show IP though. The narrative of the pushing them to go multiplatform was and is as valid as me saying that Xbox and Nintendo were incapable of producing a studio talented enough to make a baseball game in 20 years that they've had the license. Because that's how long they've had the opportunity and didn't.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Soooo….all warring aside, because that’s legitimately what this thread has become at this point. PlayStation retains COD for 10 years. Seems like plenty enough time to develop their own FPS from the ground up to make it a hit. You have to remember that a lot, and I mean A LOT of developers can get poached between now and then. If you think PlayStation isn’t going to grab some of the best fps developers and build a team to bring PlayStations future version of COD, you don’t understand business practices at all.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

This merger is the end of Playstation.

Doubtful. Look at how well PS5 is selling despite not having a ton of exclusives at the moment. PlayStation brand is very strong regardless.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I've heard now for a while about the value of Gamepass, but the issue for me is that assuming I'm paying the current price of roughly $200 per year for game pass ultimate tier, then over the course of an entire console generation (about 8 years nowadays), I'd be looking at paying $1600 for games that I don't even own, so after spending well over a thousand dollars, if I stop subscribing after so long, then I'd lose everything from that subscription.

Not to even mention that doesn't include any dlc for those games, just the base game, so I'd probably be spending close to $2000 for an entire 8 year generation when taking dlcs into account, and I won't be able to access any of that if I decide to stop my subscription. So yeah, I think Microsoft would love nothing more than to make their consumers feel very dependent on having to stick with their subscriptions even if they raise the prices, since their consumers are already too deeply invested to break away at that point, and I would never want myself to be in such a position.

It depends how you look at it and buy on deal.

For me, I always buy Xbox Gold for $60 cdn at Costco. That's a sunk cost. My incremental cost is the GP promo price which for the first 3 years was +$1, the current 3 years extension at the price of +1 month, and if the current revised GPU upgrade plan MS announced holds in 2025, when I do 3 years of Gold again, the GPU upgrade will be +1 month upgrade price gets me only two years of GPU. When I add it all together I literally could get 9 years worth of GPU for the cost of about +$50 on top of my usual annual pass I always do.

Anyone buying GPU at the monthly full price is nuts. The GPU upgrade method has been going on since 2019.

Just buy annual Xbox Gold and then upgrade it at the deal price.

 

[RickMasters]

No one here will admit it but I agree. I don't see how they don't go the way of Sega,

I dont see this happening....But I do think they need to gear up for a future where subs become the main way that people consume games,....subsided by MTXs and DLCs.


Its always been about buying the box to get the games. But the sub you provide with that box...defined by its all-access approach to first party exclusives, and games in general....and of course the quality of those games...will go hand in hand. In other words sony need to start thiniking more seriously about putting their exclusives day and date on their subs. they can hang on to old model a while longer I guess, while it benefits them...but longterm they need to focus on their sub a bit more and getting their content on there sooner. Just my thoughts. I dont think they are gonna bow out...nor would I want them to...nor nintendo for that matter. but they (sony..and yeah nintendo for that matter) need to stop downplaying sub services, like they did with digital downloads, in the beginning....they can be wrong again, and get left playing catch up.

 

[VectorVictor]

Maybe Sony can use this opportunity to make Killzone a thing again? Or Resistance? How about a first-party FPS?

Were they really a thing to begin with? Really?

And while neither was great, I enjoyed the story in Resistance a LOT better than the disjointed hand waving and craptacular floaty controls of Killzone.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Preventing MS from getting GP on CoD would again cost a lot of money, and it's not worth investing into CoD anymore if you're Sony. Take the marketing spend and place it elsewhere for your own Live Service game initiatives.

Sony should basically want CoD to become irrelevant over time, not continue its market dominance on the platform, which only strengthens Microsoft's position of leverage.

Those other activision games will like Diablo and Overwatch will undoubtedly still be support on PS....Nobody cares about the others.

And why would Sony want COD to be a disaster when the company even admits a good chunk of sales come from COD, tons of gamers enjoy COD on PS and Sony signed a 10 year deal?

So sign a deal, but behind everyone's backs they want to piss off gamers, their financials and want COD to fail over 10 years to spite MS?

 

[lh032]

can we get some smaller AAA games which isnt bloated in the budget field?

I prefer several smaller AAA games than few big budget ones.

Come on Sony, bring back PS2 era games

 

[kazuyamishima]

The own the show IP though. The narrative of the pushing them to go multiplatform was and is as valid as me saying that Xbox and Nintendo were incapable of producing a studio talented enough to make a baseball game in 20 years that they've had the license. Because that's how long they've had the opportunity and didn't.

They might own the IP but the most important thing, the license, They don’t.

 

[Sanepar]

This merger is the end of Playstation.

Depends of Sony moves. They have enough money to make smart moves.

 

[ManaByte]

Wait so first MS offered five years for ALL Activision titles, Jim refused. They came back with 10 years, and he still refused. Now at the last minute they get COD only? Sony Japan will make him fall on his sword for that. We’ll have a new SIE CEO before long.

 

[lh032]

And why would Sony want COD to be a disaster when the company even admits a good chunk of sales come from COD, tons of gamers enjoy COD on PS and Sony signed a 10 year deal?

So sign a deal, but behind everyone's backs they want to piss off gamers, their financials and want COD to fail over 10 years to spite MS?

What he meant is, if COD is fucked, Microsoft is fucked as well (partially) , but that aint happen though.

 

[Stardust_Dragon]

Its hard to know with nintendo but the WEF had released a video a few month back that they work for a future where the people own nothing but are happy about it.

Yeah, I'm not surprised that a bunch of wealthy people who probably almost never interact with the average consumer would say that. My response to the WEF is to go kiss my shiny dragon ass.

It depends how you look at it and buy on deal.

For me, I always buy Xbox Gold for $60 cdn at Costco. That's a sunk cost. My incremental cost is the GP promo price which for the first 3 years was +$1, the current 3 years extension at the price of +1 month, and if the current revised GPU upgrade plan MS announced holds in 2025, when I do 3 years of Gold again, the GPU upgrade will be +1 month upgrade price gets me only two years of GPU. When I add it all together I literally could get 9 years worth of GPU for the cost of about +$50 on top of my usual annual pass I always do.

Anyone buying GPU at the monthly full price is nuts. The GPU upgrade method has been going on since 2019.

Just buy annual Xbox Gold and then upgrade it at the deal price.

But from Nadella's perspective, that regular monthly full price is the normal price, and the one he envisions gamers will be paying for with no discounts later on down the line. Shouldn't it be a concern that paying the $200 annual option for Game Pass Ultimate tier is considered nuts?

Also, since the $60 annual gold option isn't even available to purchase from the Xbox consoles directly, only the 3 months and 1 month options are available there at this time, what's to stop Microsoft from simply quietly discontinuing to send other retailers the $60 annual gold option? Not like Microsoft would have to justify such a decision to their consumer base, all they have to do is point out that annual $60 gold option has already been removed from the Xbox console storefront since the summer of 2020, and that they shouldn't have been surprised to see all the other $60 gold cards disappear everywhere else.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Wait so first MS offered five years for ALL Activision titles, Jim refused. They came back with 10 years, and he still refused. Now at the last minute they get COD only? Sony Japan will make him fall on his sword for that. We’ll have a new SIE CEO before long.

Seems like it. So it shows a number of things:

1. MS had offered deals on Activision games going back to a May 2022 email

2. MS also offered the COD 10 year deal in Dec 2022

3. Jim scoffed at the offer

4. MS kept the deal on the table the whole time

5. Jim accepted the COD offer

In a nutshell, MS had been willing to deal instead of trying to hoard Activision games as exclusives. And Jimbo BS'ed. What happened was Sony held firm, but when the daily recaps showed FTC was going to lose he turned tail and took the offer after all. Lucky for him, it looks like it was still on the table.

 

[CatLady]

There is no good reaction on this other then to laugh...
...how Sony overplayed their hand in attempt to block this deal and how it now bites them in the ass
...how Sony made it entirely about Call of Duty while ABK has more games to care about.

It will give Microsoft a strategic choice what to do with future ABK titles. I expect live services to being released on PlayStation in the future... Games like Diablo IV, Overwatch 2 etc. But games like new Crash, that RPG Infinity Ward is making...that would probably end up being exclusives.

It's karma baby, karma and I can't think of anyone more deserving.

 

[FrankWza]

They might own the IP but the most important thing, the license, They don’t.

You're underestimating the strength of the show and their engine. There used to be many bad baseball games before the license split. MLB tried to resurrect RBI just to have further exposure and Nintendo and xbox didn't even attempt to make a game. The only other company that has a current working engine is Konami.
Having a quality game is just as important as the license in this case. Some of the best and most beloved baseball games of all time did not have the MLB license.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They don’t own the license of players, teams, stadiums, logos and more.

MLB pushed Sony to go the Multiplatform route, Sony wasn’t too happy about it.

The own the show IP though. The narrative of the pushing them to go multiplatform was and is as valid as me saying that Xbox and Nintendo were incapable of producing a studio talented enough to make a baseball game in 20 years that they've had the license. Because that's how long they've had the opportunity and didn't.

I can promise you when Ybarra first told me about Xbox getting The Show he also said Sony was forced to do so by MLB

 

[havoc00]

I can promise you when Ybarra first told me about Xbox getting The Show he also said Sony was forced to do so by MLB

Did they say how long it has to be on xbox? Like give it a 4 year period or is it as long as they put the show out?

 

[Moriarty1889]

Maybe Sony can use this opportunity to make Killzone a thing again? Or Resistance? How about a first-party FPS?

I agree. Sony needs to bring back one of them or at the very least SOCOM. They have ZERO shooters as is.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Did they say how long it has to be on xbox? Like give it a 4 year period or is it as long as they put the show out?

He never said anything about length

 

[lh032]

Wait so first MS offered five years for ALL Activision titles, Jim refused. They came back with 10 years, and he still refused. Now at the last minute they get COD only? Sony Japan will make him fall on his sword for that. We’ll have a new SIE CEO before long.

He is the CEO of SIE, of course he is going to try his best to block the whole acquisition, and he failed.
Nothing much he can do.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Doubtful. Look at how well PS5 is selling despite not having a ton of exclusives at the moment. PlayStation brand is very strong regardless.

Not having a ton of exclusives? How many exclusives do they need? God of War? Last of Us? Uncharted? Ghost of….
Like how many more could they have?

No one here will admit it but I agree. I don't see how they don't go the way of Sega,

No one will admit it because nobody with functioning brain is stupid enough to think that Sony is going anywhere…
I really hope I missed this post being a joke.

 

[Fabieter]

I can promise you when Ybarra first told me about Xbox getting The Show he also said Sony was forced to do so by MLB

Do you think sony knew that mlb would do day one gamepass releases year after year? I don't think sony will renew the license and will go the fifa route because of that. Especially If sonys sees that ea is still making bank.

 

[Moriarty1889]

I always preferred killzone to CoD so I'd be well up for it to return. Sony definitely need an fps.

Yes that would be nice. Sony has gotten lazy and needs to bring back some of their fps. All they have been making since most of last gen are their same old third person semi open world action games. Time for something new especially now.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Seems like it. So it shows a number of things:

1. MS had offered deals on Activision games going back to a May 2022 email

2. MS also offered the COD 10 year deal in Dec 2022

3. Jim scoffed at the offer

4. MS kept the deal on the table the whole time

5. Jim accepted the COD offer

In a nutshell, MS had been willing to deal instead of trying to hoard Activision games as exclusives. And Jimbo BS'ed. What happened was Sony held firm, but when the daily recaps showed FTC was going to lose he turned tail and took the offer after all. Lucky for him, it looks like it was still on the table.

Of course it was still on the table, MS still needs to negotiate with CMA before the deal will clear regulatory hurdles

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I can promise you when Ybarra first told me about Xbox getting The Show he also said Sony was forced to do so by MLB

At that time, did he also know it was going on GP?

 

[Aenima]

I agree. Sony needs to bring back one of them or at the very least SOCOM. They have ZERO shooters as is.

They own Bungie, and some of the new studios making gaas games are making shooters.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Do you think sony knew that mlb would do day one gamepass releases year after year? I don't think sony will renew the license and will go the fifa route because of that. Especially If sonys sees that ea is still making bank.

At that time, did he also know it was going on GP?

He knew it was coming to GP but don't know if Sony did

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Not having a ton of exclusives? How many exclusives do they need? God of War? Last of Us? Uncharted? Ghost of….
Like how many more could they have?

Umm... why are you listing PS4 exclusives?

 

[FrankWza]

I can promise you when Ybarra first told me about Xbox getting The Show he also said Sony was forced to do so by MLB

It was going to be opened up to 3rd party. Forced is how it's framed. And it's still not on PC which is the largest platform. Wouldn't MLB force the to put it on PC too? Its just as easy to say MLB had to ask Sony to make their game multiplatform because xbox and Nintendo were incapable of making a baseball despite having the license as well. MLB wanted more exposure for the license after trying resurrect RBI and failing with that too. The show sales have doubled since it went multiplat too so they're fine with it I'm sure.

Edit. HeisenbergFX4 i think the misconception is that Sony had the exclusive for the MLB license but all consoles did. That's why there's no PC version and why sony agreed. They kept 3rd party like EA away.

 

[Bungie]

I've heard now for a while about the value of Gamepass, but the issue for me is that assuming I'm paying the current price of roughly $200 per year for game pass ultimate tier, then over the course of an entire console generation (about 8 years nowadays), I'd be looking at paying $1600 for games that I don't even own, so after spending well over a thousand dollars, if I stop subscribing after so long, then I'd lose everything from that subscription.

Not to even mention that doesn't include any dlc for those games, just the base game, so I'd probably be spending close to $2000 for an entire 8 year generation when taking dlcs into account, and I won't be able to access any of that if I decide to stop my subscription. So yeah, I think Microsoft would love nothing more than to make their consumers feel very dependent on having to stick with their subscriptions even if they raise the prices, since their consumers are already too deeply invested to break away at that point, and I would never want myself to be in such a position.

You keep the games for gold games even if you end the subscription, also all games usually go on sale right before they leave gamepass plus you get an additional 10% off if you own gamepass & the DLC is discounted as well. It's just a great service to start & cancel as you please. Try out some games, get the discount & move on. Don't get Ultimate, it's just for crappy perks & streaming to the cloud. MS is not forcing you to commit to it for that long.

Gamepass is great for showing me games I would have never bought in a million years, some of them are now my all time favorite games now. To me that out beats any value concerns I have. ALSO there's ways to get gamepass WAY cheaper but I'll leave that for you to find if interested & it's not the upgrade method.

 

[ManaByte]

He is the CEO of SIE, of course he is going to try his best to block the whole acquisition, and he failed.
Nothing much he can do.

He still reports to Japan and is going to have to explain how he lost Activision games on the platform when he had an offer in front of him TWICE to keep them.

 

[Fabieter]

He still reports to Japan and is going to have to explain how he lost Activision games on the platform when he had an offer in front of him TWICE to keep them.

He will have data to explain the decision unlike us.

 

[drganon]

No one here will admit it but I agree. I don't see how they don't go the way of Sega,

 

[Shake Your Rump]

“We look forward to a future where players globally have more choice to play their favorite games.”

So, because one single franchise will be multi-platform while a dozen others go Xbox-only, we somehow have “more choice”?

 

[In Cold Blood]

Good old Jimbo. When ambitions outweighs your abilities.
He looks like an absolute tool. He got schooled by Phil.
Please Sony, never sack Jim Ryan.

In all seriousness, it's about all Sony can expect. COD will be Minecrafted, everything else exclusive to Xbox and PC.

 

[In Cold Blood]

“We look forward to a future where players globally have more choice to play their favorite games.”

So, because one single franchise will be multi-platform while a dozen others go Xbox-only, we somehow have “more choice”?

Yes. You can buy the game outright. You can get it day and date on Gamepass. You can play it via Xcloud on your phone.
You are just looking at it through the blinkers of a Sony player. Not everything revolves around Sony.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

He still reports to Japan and is going to have to explain how he lost Activision games on the platform when he had an offer in front of him TWICE to keep them.

Easy explanation - because Activision was looking likely to remain an independent company at that point, which is a much better outcome than the non CoD ATVI games remaining on PS until 2027 (which is non consequential)

 

[ManaByte]

Easy explanation - because Activision was looking likely to remain an independent company at that point, which is a much better outcome than the non CoD ATVI games remaining on PS until 2027 (which is non consequential)

Except there are court filings that said he wouldn’t accept the deal and wanted it blocked instead.

 

[lastmessiah]

Yes. You can buy the game outright. You can get it day and date on Gamepass. You can play it via Xcloud on your phone.
You are just looking at it through the blinkers of a Sony player. Not everything revolves around Sony.

Not just on a phone but on a tablet/PC too. Just link a controller and stream it on xCloud. I do this all the time on a Surface Pro.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

In all seriousness, it's about all Sony can expect. COD will be Minecrafted, everything else exclusive to Xbox and PC.

Agreed. No need to rock the boat of a cash cow. You can tell MS isn't serious about using COD as an Xbox exclusive. They've been willing to deal COD to Sony for 10 years which would go well into the PS6 era (on the cusp of PS7).

If MS really cared about cutting the cord, there would be zero deal beyond the current 2 year agreement remaining.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Depends of Sony moves. They have enough money to make smart moves.

What publisher omhas the depth of IP that Activision hold? I can't see them being able to compete within a few years.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Except there are court filings that said he wouldn’t accept the deal and wanted it blocked instead.

Right, because there was a greater than 50% chance of it being blocked

Now there’s a 1% chance

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

The game isn't even out yet, how the fuck is Starfield your favourite game.

I get people not liking missing any previously thirdparty ip on their console of choice, but Starfield is a new ip.

Oh wow, you really love so much hypocrite liar Phil that you can't even understand basic English stylistic figure from him which you took literally, that's hilarious
What about go "the fuck" back to school with the others green rats instead of finding pathetic excuses to another lying declaration ?

Like, who give a shit about "any previously thirdparty ip on their console of choice", are you a paid "ambassador" ?
Starfield was multiplatform before Microsoft buy, learn your lesson and your history, child.

 

[Umbasaborne]

The problem with Sony's live-service push IMO, is that it is seemingly an increasing burden on their 1P studios that are not acclimated to live-service/GaaS content. We would have gotten Factions 2 by now, probably as part of TLOU Part 2, if Naughty Dog weren't a leading part in Sony's live-service and if they didn't "fail" the monetization check by Bungie forcing them to redo a good chunk of previous work and plans. Maybe as a result we'd be getting two new IP from them this gen instead of just one, and both being traditional games, in addition to a TLOU3 and Uncharted 5.

Maybe we'd see Polyphony expand back out beyond Gran Turismo if they didn't have to push all resources towards GT7 as a live-action platform (reminder: play Omega Boost if you haven't. It's amazing!). I'm worried we see similar from Sony's other 1P teams: "safe" sequels to marquee AAA traditional games, and live-service/GaaS work that in some cases could have been better served towards traditional AAA or AA 1P content.



I agree, but there's a right and wrong way to do that. Now that MS have full access to COD, they are going to leverage that in ways which undermine Sony's business model in the here-and-now.



Maybe they will...but who's to say future Diablo IV & Overwatch content doesn't become partially exclusive (full or timed) to Xbox, or available with better pricing perks on Xbox via Game Pass, like what we've seen with the Riot Games deal on PC Game Pass? Enough of that could be a tipping point.

Playstations gaaass future sucks, and I really wish we had the sony of a decade ago back

 

[Umbasaborne]

"We look forward to a future where players globally have more choice to play their favorite games."

Can I play Starfield on PS5 then, dear hypocrite Phil ?

Sure, the second we can play spiderman or final fantasy xvi or 7 remake on xbox : )

 

[Stardust_Dragon]

You keep the games for gold games even if you end the subscription, also all games usually go on sale right before they leave gamepass plus you get an additional 10% off if you own gamepass & the DLC is discounted as well. It's just a great service to start & cancel as you please. Try out some games, get the discount & move on. Don't get Ultimate, it's just for crappy perks & streaming to the cloud. MS is not forcing you to commit to it for that long.

Gamepass is great for showing me games I would have never bought in a million years, some of them are now my all time favorite games now. To me that out beats any value concerns I have. ALSO there's ways to get gamepass WAY cheaper but I'll leave that for you to find if interested & it's not the upgrade method.

But isn't the Ultimate tier the only one that has online play included, as the base gamepass tier doesn't include it? So that's a big difference considering a lot of Microsoft's first party games have online multiplayer. It wouldn't seem to make much sense to spend $200+ per year for a subscription only to then spend even more money on games leaving the service, at least to me anyways.

Also, the games with gold offerings nowadays are just a pile of shit, and have been for quite a while, especially when compared to PS Plus Essential tier offerings. As for those loopholes available for Gamepass, yeah I am aware of them, though I highly doubt Nadella will keep them around for that much longer, especially now that the ABK merger is about to get completed. They already tightened the screws on the gold conversion for gamepass recently, and I'm sure they'll completely do away with all the loopholes by 2028 in time for the next console generation.