Matsuchezz
Member
If Silent hill 2 is shown I will be pleased. We are missing a proper Sony event, all these states of Play and any fucking show from Geoff Keighley are giving me the shits!
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State of Play Thursday, September 14 at 2pm PT / 5pm ET / 10pm GMT
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Matsuchezz
Member
TLOU Part 1, Horizon FW, GT7, GOW Ragnarok, do those not count on your book?
And lets get real people, More advanced games take a lot more time to make and more money, gone are the days where we saw Dev houses release 3-4 games per generation. But Sony needs to acquire a few more dev houses to release games at steady pace. I expect quality games not gamepass quality games.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground"focused on indie and third-party titles from around the world"
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
Brigandier
Member
PS5 Pro.
GTA6.
MGS6.
FF7 Rebirth.
FF17.
Rise of the Ronin.
Ghost of Tsushima 2.
Assassin's Creed: Samurai Fuck Yeah.
Shenmue IV.
Fuck it whatever game you want It's there.
/s duh
GTA6.
MGS6.
FF7 Rebirth.
FF17.
Rise of the Ronin.
Ghost of Tsushima 2.
Assassin's Creed: Samurai Fuck Yeah.
Shenmue IV.
Fuck it whatever game you want It's there.
/s duh
nightmare-slain
Member
All I want is ps5 slim and vii rebirth date.
Topher
Gold Member
I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
I remember the collective groans of PlayStation fans damn near everywhere as well. I sure miss Andrew House.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Have had a couple adult beverages myself this evening and honestly not trying to stir shit but after Spider-Man 2 what’s the next big PS exclusive coming?
Swagballs717
Member
That's all I want out of it as well. It's been almost a year since it was announced and we've heard almost nothing about it since.
ProtoByte
Member
Very few actually bought Gravity Rush, and though you might be fine with it, a lot of people wouldn't be.
These SOPs are marketing obligations moves.
Lately it feels like the business model is juicing the audience as much as possible just because the competition hasn‘t been very good. Offer less, charge more, etc.I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
It reminds me of GameStop right before they turned to shit. But instead of aisles of Funko Pops, Pokémon cards and extended warranty offers, Sony has indie games, a shift to GAAS instead of what they built their brand on, and bullshit claims of charging more for online access to keep bringing us treasured gems like a shitty ass game that put its developer out of business.
ProtoByte
Member
Fairgame$! Because the market has been rewarding dogshit live services for the past 10 years and because there's been a subsection of PlayStation fans who think they can have it all, and that Sony "needs" a first party multiplayer suite.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wow. I’ve heard you say this before but it blows my mind every time. What a huge fuck up by Sony.I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
I will never understand why he took over, saw his studios making goty after goty making single player games setting new standards in visuals then chose to have them make remake, gaas games and limited them to cross Gen. Why change a winning formula?? These single player games took them from last place to first place. Why waste millions on buying up third party exclusives when you could’ve been investing in first party?
He’s singlehandedly taken my favorite publisher and turned them into a former shell of themselves. Completely gutted them by limiting them to 12 year old hardware forcing them to make remakes after remakes. I honestly can’t believe I’ve gone 2.5 years without playing a true next Gen game from Sony first party. How this man still has a job is beyond me.
Topher
Gold Member
All we know about is Wolverine, right? That was announced in 2021. We *think* Sucker Punch is doing another Ghost of Tsushima. TLOU is supposed to have another project not called Factions in the works. Cory Barlog is working something. Team Asobi....no idea. Bluepoint....doing something. Bend doing something. What do we know though? Jack shit.
And apparently none of it will be coming out by next year if we are to believe none of it is ready to show. Personally, I think Jim Ryan threw a wrench into the Sony machine by forcing their studios to reengineer their creative process around a method of monetization rather than making great games. Very well could be Jim Ryan's Don Mattrick moment.
That's fine. Just talking about me.
Topher
Gold Member
Easy. He makes Sony a lot of money. Question is will that hold.
kazuyamishima
Member
They are the ones setting expectations in place, yet I'm still seeing a lot of people expecting a lot and increasing their hype.
Hope is decent enough.
Hope is decent enough.
PleazureDome
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
WARHAWK
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yet, zero impact and people still want a PS5 in droves and the masses seem to not care for these shows at all. They get their 30 second TikTok engagements for their next games they want.I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
And Phil/Ybarra are resorted to Nokia exec tactics and claim they need to purchase the industry to "compete." Their units are selling less and less YoY like a machine that has been in the market for 7+ years yet not even 3.
They should drink less, me thinks.
Sony knows they just need to make announcements when the time is right, for their sake I'm sure.
Sucks for what we were used to, shows wise and announcing games 4 years out, yes.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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A good point; AAA games in general just seem to be getting too bloated. Truth be told, we could've gotten a massive visual leap by now comparable to going from PS1 to Dreamcast was back in the day, if AAA devs weren't expected to make so much content for their games. For me the overall best-looking current-gen game is still HFW: Burning Shores, but the foundation of that is still built upon a cross-gen game, at its core.
Would today's audiences buy something like the UE5 Matrix demo if it were a full game, but say a max 10-hour campaign instead of 30+ hour game, and linear rather than open-world? I don't know, and I guess AAA publishers don't know, either. Or they're too scared to try and find out. But they're the ones who've conditioned gamers to equate volume of content with monetary value, because I guess on average, at some point in the past (before the average talent pool among 3P got closer to the 1P studios in terms of production values and graphics), it was easier to make games bigger than making smaller amount of content super-polished.
This is probably why when Bethesda kept trying to hype Starfield talking about "250K lines of dialog" or "1,000 planets!", I found that unimpressive. Because how much of that dialogue is meaningful and creative? We know how the stuff with the planets turned out. Sometimes, less is more. But a lot of AAA companies have taken that the wrong way, because it feels like there are less and less AAA games getting released in general, and a lot of things between them are getting more and more homogenous, to play it safe.
Sony's going at a glacial pace picking up any established AAA-sized developer to fulfill that, let alone publisher. I fear if they wait too long companies on the market today won't be wanting to sell by the time they come with the bag.
Not to mention, the longer it takes to buy them, the further out integrating them into their dev pipeline takes. Means the longer it'd take to start seeing some results showing synergy with what else is already cooking.
For all of Don Mattrick's problems, at least he had a background as a game developer. That's the one thing he has over Jim Ryan, otherwise they have very similar amount of experience in the gaming business (multiple decades), with very successful companies (not referring to XBO Microsoft with Mattrick, but his earlier gaming studio and stuff before joining Microsoft).
Fact is we know more about Sony's GaaS/live-service plans than traditional AAA or AA games, far as what's been officially revealed. That's a problem.
I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
TBF Microsoft's Showcase this year wasn't much better. It seemed it was, at first. Then all the "oh, we forgot to mention the fine print" stuff came out afterwards and days later, deflating a lot of what initially made it a stronger showcase.
To me, anyway.
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Robbinhood
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Sony gaas initiative had them purchase new studios to make the games, they aren't having their top teams work on Gaas. It's just taking some of those teams longer to get the games ready.
They need to invest in more SP developers, but nothing wrong with giving it a go with teams dedicated to gaas.
They need to invest in more SP developers, but nothing wrong with giving it a go with teams dedicated to gaas.
Punished Miku
Member
Exoprimal is awesome.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Surprised it’s not on pay per view 
Lokaum D+
Member
1 remaster, 3 crossgen
All 23 games i posted could only played on a ps3, i wanna see what ND, SSM, SP, Sony heavy hiters can do when developing only for ps5, didnt bought a ps5 to play crossgen.
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Punished Miku
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You know I got a PS5 in 2020 and had zero intention of getting an Xbox this gen. Skipped them last gen. I get called a shill and fanboy a lot but I'm not. I just saw what you guys are talking about now literally in 2021.I am sure you recall me saying Phil and Ybarra shared a drink when they heard Jimmie took over saying he would run PS aground
Been some pretty lackluster shows recently
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
It's got a physical release.
Hopefully one for the yams, too.
So yes very much still alive and "full" of life.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
You've gotta love Playstation fans... truly a fickle bunch.
Just like supporters of my club Arsenal.
Then again this is a good thing, it's why Sony keeps making bangers. In 3 years, Sony would have released DSR, SM.MM, Returnal, Ratchet, GT7, HZ.FW, GOW.R and now SM2, along with a VR headset and some VR games, and a good number of third-party exclusives.
And yet, there are people here saying they haven't done shit... tough crowd. When next an Xbox fan thinks Playstation fans are trolls, just take a look at how they treat their own platform lol.
Just like supporters of my club Arsenal.
Then again this is a good thing, it's why Sony keeps making bangers. In 3 years, Sony would have released DSR, SM.MM, Returnal, Ratchet, GT7, HZ.FW, GOW.R and now SM2, along with a VR headset and some VR games, and a good number of third-party exclusives.
And yet, there are people here saying they haven't done shit... tough crowd. When next an Xbox fan thinks Playstation fans are trolls, just take a look at how they treat their own platform lol.
Variahunter
Member
I'm glad it's third party because I could not care about most of Sony games honestly, much tailored for casuals gamers.
Here we might see actual great upcoming games :
Rise of the Ronin
Dragon's Dogma 2
Alan Wake 2
FFVII Rebirth
MGS 3
Pragmata
Alone in the Dark (well maybe a good game)
So yeah, I'm all for it. But it could also be another May showcase so...
Here we might see actual great upcoming games :
Rise of the Ronin
Dragon's Dogma 2
Alan Wake 2
FFVII Rebirth
MGS 3
Pragmata
Alone in the Dark (well maybe a good game)
So yeah, I'm all for it. But it could also be another May showcase so...
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Oh I don’t think they meant Jim would destroy PS I think they felt it wouldn’t run as smoothly and the big boy games have been in a funk lately
DonJorginho
Banned
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
COVID seemed to put both in a funk. Imagine if Bethesda wasn't purchased to call games first party? Now going after Activision... imagine their output without.
Put the scotch down guys, and figure our your YoY 20-30% declines. Only one of the two is in the negative in that regards.
I don't like that we aren't marketed to, but you'd have to be totally stunted to think their top studios don't have anything in the pipeline, especially sequels to blockbuster franchises.
But yes, still sucks we don't get our hype marketing for 4+ year out games like we once did.
Hawking Radiation
Member
I mean there's a market for Indies. Some people love those types of games. Just not for me so this is one show I will easily skip and catch the highlilghts on YouTube.
I just want to see Sony's first party titles and nothing else. The same goes for Xbox.
ProtoByte
Member
No.
There's a few things to point out here.
N NickFire said something similar in reference to how Jim Ryan is running things; about how Skny is looking to make more money off their customers while offering less, focusing on live services, etc.
The notion that House, Tretton, or even Layden weren't trying to look for ways to make more money is absolutely ridiculous. You forget how Tretton slipped in that online play was now behind a pay wall at E3 2013. You forget that Andrew House explicated that the main drive for the creation of the PS4 Pro was to retain and gain players who were and were not on PlayStation already to come over as opposed to spending on PC. You probably don't know that Shawn Layden was behind the decision to start porting games to PC. In the same interview he revealed and explained that, he explained without prompt that the nature of the market at this point is not about looking for to expand to whole demographics of new people, but looking for ways to make more money off of the consumer audience already here.
Jim Ryan just happens to be the guy at the wheel in market conditions where live service fecal matter have broight in billions of dollars a year for close to 10 years, with seemingly or actually less money, time and effort invested into creating and sustaining them. I don't like it either, but you, the market, made it inevitable that someone would eventually want or be pressured to make ways explore that for themselves.
These decisions and initiatives are also long term enough that Layden himself was at the table when this studio or that made plans to try a live service title. All this while we've been hearing for the last generation and a half that "all Sony makes are cinematic movie games". You don't think they see the memes, trolling and genuine criticism from people who think that every publisher can and should do everything under the sun? This guy wants PlayStation to remain almost 100% focused on single player titles, this guy wants the same thing but also wants open world, half immersive sim half RPG games that took 6-8 years to make last gen in particular; this other guy wants Naughty Dog to make Factions really, really badly.
The prolonged silence on what you and I personally want to see is a result of all of the above, increasing development timeliness and probably something to do with WFH protocols.
And how are we getting less either in terms of value, or great games? Bitch about cross gen all you like, the fact is that there was never a point in PlayStation history where first parties were producing at the rate or quality in the first few years equal to those of the PS5. These games now cost 70 dollars (if they're not smaller launches like Miles Morales) where games were 60 dollars in 2006 for PlayStation. These games cost way more and take longer to make, are larger in scale, objectively better in many aspects and subjectively better in others, and are 21 dollars behind inflation.
Topher
Gold Member
Yeah....I'm not reading all that when you missed the point entirely. Thanks though.
ProtoByte
Member
Topher
Gold Member
I don't know how long these GaaS initiatives have been in the works. Neither do you. But sure....if you want to add Layden into that, fine. Doesn't change my point at all. And that point was clearly speculative. I don't even know if what I said is actually the case.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm glad Layden is gone. His extreme far gone ideology is why there was censorship that seems to be lightening up now. Jim Ryan was like, "respect each others opinions or keep it out of the workplace and I like cats" in an email and Layden lost his shit on Twittard over that. Good riddance, you cultist ideologue.
RCU005
Member
Hopefully we get a release date for Stellar Blade and FFVII Rebirth!
I guarantee it will be in the SoP, but I'd say it will be delayed to 2024. I really want to know more of the game. Looks pretty fun and similar to Nier Automata.
No first party because Sony has spent the entire gen trying to come up with milk-cash-gaas games that no one wants. The reception of their announced first party games in June was dismal (all gaas, cgi and not even close to release).
This gen Sony is very weak when it comes to first party for that reason. They have released some good games but definitely not with the quality and quantity of the PS3 and PS4 gen. It's great that third party games have been amazing this gen, from many devs (even Korean and Chinese).
The one game I wish they show a little more is Dragon Quest XII. Probably won't until after FF7 Rebirth.
Mayor_McCheeze
Member
If I get a Helldivers 2 release date, I’ll be happy.
Sorcerer
Member
Took a minute to make the connection that Sam Barlow of Immortality also worked on Silent Hill games.
Topher
Gold Member
I agree. I think a lot of Sony fans just expect to get what we have been getting from the ecosystem we invested in. I don't subscribe to this "haven't done shit" nonsense. This generation started like gangbusters, imo, and the games you listed prove it. If we get more like that going forward then I'll have no complaints, even if it is alongside all these live service games. My concern at this point is 2024. Will Sony have any games ready for next year? Hopefully after Spider-man 2 is launched, Sony can catch up on the PR work that they have seemingly fallen far behind on, not that they were ever really good at it.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Would hope for SH2 since next month is Halloween and we are entering spooky season, but who the hell knows anymore.
MALpractice311
Member
Haven't the last three or four Sony events focused on indies and third parties? This shit is getting old. Where are Sony's first parties? What are they working on? For God's sake, why did I buy a PS5? The only major exclusives have been Demon Souls and Returnal. Everything else has been cross gen or third party/indies devs.