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It's funny how many people have a clear agenda and are perpetually butt hurt about Naughty Dog and their success..

They released their massive AAA game in 2020 whereas Insomniac released their game in 2018. Insomniac followed that up with games that utilize the same engines and largely iterated on prior releases.

Uncharted 4 has a 93 and TLOU2 has a 93.

This is Insomniac's first 90 in 20 years and none of their games have reached as high as the previously mentioned games.

Uncharted 2 has a 96...

People who are trying to compare Insomniac and Naughty Dog are absolutely clueless. Naughty Dog's track record is clear and their games take more time to make but deliver significantly more critically and financially than Insomniac games and Naughty Dog owns their IP whereas Insomniac doesn't own Spider-Man.

For all we know, there won't be a Spider-Man 3... it all comes down to negotiations between Marvel and Sony. Obviously, they'll work something out, but that's not a sure thing.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

So why was Phil so excited to have the most powerful console if absolutely fucking nothing was in the pipeline to show off that power? The most impressive game by far on Xbox is still FS 2020.

As long as he can claim a "victory" over Sony, regardless of how hollow, he'll take it.

 

[alphachino]

Insomniac > All of XGS + Zenimax + ABK

 

[Cashon]

Im very surprised that it was able to maintain 90+ after 120 reviews lol.

Same. Especially with the more well-known outlets, like IGN, GameSpot, and Eurogamer giving it an 8.

God of War: Ragnarok has 150-something reviews; I wonder if this game will eventually reach that number and what the score will be by then.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Same. Especially with the more well-known outlets, like IGN, GameSpot, and Eurogamer giving it an 8.

God of War: Ragnarok has 150-something reviews; I wonder if this game will eventually reach that number and what the score will be by then.

Because there's only so low an 8 can bring a score when the vast majority are 9 and up. Simple math.

 

[Pelta88]

Live look at Stevivor after seeing the review scores...

 

[PisswasserYellow]

Damn. I'm not into superhero stuff at all, but those graphics are incredible looking.

 

[Sethbacca]

Those bringing ND into the conversation need to get a grip. A number of Xbox studios haven’t released a game this gen, but nobody seems to be making a fuss about that fact.

If we're being fair, that's pretty much the butt of every joke in every other Xbox related thread. I'm no Xbox stan, just acknowledging that the one game XBox fans can count on playing every year is the waiting game.

 

[Cashon]

Because there's only so low an 8 can bring a score when the vast majority are 9 and up. Simple math.

My point was that the more well-known ones, the ones with more viewers, gave it lower scores. So I'm surprised so many others gave it higher. I haven't heard of a lot of these reviewers in the 9s and 10s.

 

[Cashon]

I'm no Xbox stan, just acknowledging that the one game XBox fans can count on playing every year is the waiting game.

Did you come up with this? That's a good line.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Dayum

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

It's funny how many people have a clear agenda and are perpetually butt hurt about Naughty Dog and their success..

They released their massive AAA game in 2020 whereas Insomniac released their game in 2018. Insomniac followed that up with games that utilize the same engines and largely iterated on prior releases.

Uncharted 4 has a 93 and TLOU2 has a 93.

This is Insomniac's first 90 in 20 years and none of their games have reached as high as the previously mentioned games.

Uncharted 2 has a 96...

People who are trying to compare Insomniac and Naughty Dog are absolutely clueless. Naughty Dog's track record is clear and their games take more time to make but deliver significantly more critically and financially than Insomniac games and Naughty Dog owns their IP whereas Insomniac doesn't own Spider-Man.

For all we know, there won't be a Spider-Man 3... it all comes down to negotiations between Marvel and Sony. Obviously, they'll work something out, but that's not a sure thing.

You can't be right, TLOU2 had an insane budget and sold a huge amount but this will outsell that game with just its PS5 release potentially and I think the dev budget is lower here.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

My point was that the more well-known ones, the ones with more viewers, gave it lower scores. So I'm surprised so many others gave it higher. I haven't heard of a lot of these reviewers in the 9s and 10s.

What you have't heard of is anecdotal. On top of that, again, we're tallking a small amount of 8s compared to the many, many higher reviews. The few 8s shouldn't determine the score and just because IGN or GameSpot gives a game an 8 doesn't mean everyone else has to follow suit.

I'm honestly not understanding what the correlation is supposed to be here.

 

[Sethbacca]

Did you come up with this? That's a good line.

Yeah actually. From my brain to yours, enjoy

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Insomniac > All of XGS + Zenimax + ABK

Its sad every thread devolves into this stuff

Dayum

That's super impressive with that SSD speed

 

[Reave]

Insomniac > All of XGS + Zenimax + ABK

Sure, let’s try to dunk on Xbox in a Spider-Man review thread. Goodness fucking gracious.

Anyway, really glad that Spider-Man 2 turned out so well. Can’t wait to play it.

 

[X-Wing]

It's insanely impressive but it's hyperbole to say there's ZERO loading.

The loading occurs as you hold down the button and the meter fills to confirm where you want to fast travel, and even after that there's a ~1s delay.


Again, SUPER IMPRESSIVE though.

Unlikely. That would mean that every time the player releases the button the system would have to clear the loaded data from the memory.
That delay is there to stop players from accidentally choosing the wrong location since that would mean the system would have to, unnecessarily, load and dump data into memory.
The loading is simply really fast and happens somewhere between the confirmation of the location and the end of the swinging animation.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Same. Especially with the more well-known outlets, like IGN, GameSpot, and Eurogamer giving it an 8.

For whatever reason, the more established any type of gaming outlet becomes, the more out of touch or controversial it becomes too.

Imagine scoring a game an 8, that is better than its predecessor in every way, and goes on to be amongst the best open world games and most talked about game for that year and the next months after its release, and goes on to being one of the best-selling games of the year. If that isn't being out of touch I don't now what else is.

Shows a clear disconnect between the material they put out and their audience and even their peers.

 

[Jakk]

Insomniac > All of XGS + Zenimax + ABK

I thought you would consider Spider-Man 2 a failure if it scores less than 92, what changed?

 

[Cashon]

What you have't heard of is anecdotal. On top of that, again, we're tallking a small amount of 8s compared to the many, many higher reviews. The few 8s shouldn't determine the score and just because IGN or GameSpot gives a game an 8 doesn't mean everyone else has to follow suit.

I'm honestly not understanding what the correlation is supposed to be here.

Just that, usually, if a game is in the 90s on Metacritic, at least, IGN will also have given it a 9.

Now I'm curious about what the last 90+ game was that didn't also get a 9 from at least one of those 3 outlets.

 

[fart town usa]

It's funny how many people have a clear agenda and are perpetually butt hurt about Naughty Dog and their success..

They released their massive AAA game in 2020 whereas Insomniac released their game in 2018. Insomniac followed that up with games that utilize the same engines and largely iterated on prior releases.

Uncharted 4 has a 93 and TLOU2 has a 93.

This is Insomniac's first 90 in 20 years and none of their games have reached as high as the previously mentioned games.

Uncharted 2 has a 96...

People who are trying to compare Insomniac and Naughty Dog are absolutely clueless. Naughty Dog's track record is clear and their games take more time to make but deliver significantly more critically and financially than Insomniac games and Naughty Dog owns their IP whereas Insomniac doesn't own Spider-Man.

For all we know, there won't be a Spider-Man 3... it all comes down to negotiations between Marvel and Sony. Obviously, they'll work something out, but that's not a sure thing.

My goodness, give it a rest.

Edit- entire post gives me Linus vibes, screaming about the great pumpkin and whatnot.

"You'll see!!"

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I thought you would consider Spider-Man 2 a failure if it scores less than 92, what changed?

Starfield's 84 MC brought down everyone's expectations for first-party titles.

 

[DeepSpace5D]

I originally predicted an 89. After watching the launch trailer earlier today, I’d like to amend that score to a 91.

It might seem outlandish over a trailer, but I guess I didn’t realize how many big-name villains are in this one. It’s looking like the quintessential Spider-Man game and I had to up the score a bit.

Feeling like Nostradamus up in this bitch.

And damn, 120 reviews already? Is that pretty much all of them in the first day?

 

[X-Wing]

By the way, why the fuck does this thread have a retro tag?

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Those bringing ND into the conversation need to get a grip. A number of Xbox studios haven’t released a game this gen, but nobody seems to be making a fuss about that fact.

It's because most people are used to that, that's just business as usual concerning Xbox.

 

[X-Wing]

Those bringing ND into the conversation need to get a grip. A number of Xbox studios haven’t released a game this gen, but nobody seems to be making a fuss about that fact.

Only this generation?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

By the way, why the fuck does this thread have a retro tag?

Retro game design. Needed more loading screens

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

No loading screens? Is it legal?

 

[X-Wing]

No loading screens? Is it legal?

I see several wrong creative decisions being taken here:

- No invisible walls
- No loadings
- 60 fps

I mean, what were they thinking?!

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Feeling like Nostradamus up in this bitch.

And damn, 120 reviews already? Is that pretty much all of them in the first day?

It helps when the review code was sent out almost a week ago.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Incredible what they have done not just in the game but the tech. I can't help but bow at their effort. Premiere devs.

 

[Senua]

Will be solid but the same old shit we've done 100 times before

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

It's insanely impressive but it's hyperbole to say there's ZERO loading.

The loading occurs as you hold down the button and the meter fills to confirm where you want to fast travel, and even after that there's a ~1s delay.


Again, SUPER IMPRESSIVE though.

Seems your gut feeling was wrong on this.

Direct link to the dev's comment on era: https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvels-spider-man-2-–-review-thread.775337/page-22#post-113553404

 

[analog_future]

Seems your gut feeling was wrong on this.

Direct link to the dev's comment on era: https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvels-spider-man-2-–-review-thread.775337/page-22#post-113553404

Fair enough! I stand corrected.

 

[mckmas8808]

Got damn that praise

This makes me want to cry. I'm so happy.

I've stopped buying games in the first week, but I may have to do it for this one. Even if I delay playing it until the 3rd or 4th patch.

 

[Belthazar]

It can't be said enough how Insomniac was the best purchase in the industry in how cost-effective it was.

 

[fart town usa]

 

[fart town usa]

It can't be said enough how Insomniac was the best purchase in the industry in how cost-effective it was.

I was nervous as can be when Sunset Overdrive was announced for Xbox. I thought for certain, "holy shit, MS is gonna buy Insomniac because Sony is too dumb to bring them in as first party"

Insomniac joining Sony has been the one acquisition that I applauded because it made complete sense and should have happened ages ago.

I've said it in multiple threads but Insomniac has always been this good. They just didn't hit the massive sales numbers like other studios.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Seems your gut feeling was wrong on this.

Direct link to the dev's comment on era: https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvels-spider-man-2-–-review-thread.775337/page-22#post-113553404

I hate the fact that seemingly normal dev guys are over at that shithole thinking its the bees knees and best/safest place to discuss games. Infuriating

 

[bender]

Without a doubt they are the most reliable and Sony's workhorse.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Just that, usually, if a game is in the 90s on Metacritic, at least, IGN will also have given it a 9.

Now I'm curious about what the last 90+ game was that didn't also get a 9 from at least one of those 3 outlets.

How many of those other games also see 120+ reviews? Have to consider that too.

 

[mckmas8808]

How many of those other games also see 120+ reviews? Have to consider that too.

Yeah 120 reviews on day one is CRAZY!

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Remember guys if you get the physical version like me you'll have the option to upgrade to the digital deluxe edition and thus not miss out on the 10 exclusive spidey suits that comes with it.

 

[NonPhixion]

Wow 120 reviews already? No need to cherry pick pre-launch reviewers like some scumbags do.

 

[PatientGamer]

It's funny how many people have a clear agenda and are perpetually butt hurt about Naughty Dog and their success..

They released their massive AAA game in 2020 whereas Insomniac released their game in 2018. Insomniac followed that up with games that utilize the same engines and largely iterated on prior releases.

Uncharted 4 has a 93 and TLOU2 has a 93.

This is Insomniac's first 90 in 20 years and none of their games have reached as high as the previously mentioned games.

Uncharted 2 has a 96...

People who are trying to compare Insomniac and Naughty Dog are absolutely clueless. Naughty Dog's track record is clear and their games take more time to make but deliver significantly more critically and financially than Insomniac games and Naughty Dog owns their IP whereas Insomniac doesn't own Spider-Man.

For all we know, there won't be a Spider-Man 3... it all comes down to negotiations between Marvel and Sony. Obviously, they'll work something out, but that's not a sure thing.

The conversation is a bit more nuanced than this.

Insomniac not reaching 90+ metacritic for their games till now is felt unfair as many feel that most of their games which deserved it, missed it by a smidge or two for silly reasons. Hence why everyone seems excited for them to finally reach that pinnacle. For example, the main criticism of Tools of Destruction was that 'there was too much variety'. Some publications were really ridiculous back then with their ratings.

FWIW, NaughtyDog is my favourite studio but there's no question that Insomniac has literally carried the PS5 this generation. They've release 5 games this generation. 5. All quality titles. Haven't seen anything net new from Naughty Dog this generation.

Remember last generation they released how many games; like 3 or 4? Seems like they'll barely get 1 this generation. It just seems a bit low output, given how much they used to produce.

But maybe they're going the GaaS route, in which case.. more power to them.

Does NaughtyDog own their IP, or does Sony? I thought Sony owned NaughtyDog, therefore all IP is now Sony's IP - tbf I don't know how copyrights work. Isn't Spiderman also owned by Sony, not Marvel?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Damn. I'm not into superhero stuff at all, but those graphics are incredible looking.

You don't have to be itno superheros to like good games. I couldn't care less about DC or Marvel, don't watch the movies, but I'm all over these Insomniac Spider-man games.
To me it's more like playing Infamous or something.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Remember guys if you get the physical version like me you'll have the option to upgrade to the digital deluxe edition and thus not miss out on the 10 exclusive spidey suits that comes with it.

Funny how Insomniac got away with using the exact same logo as the band A Perfect Circle except mirrored.

 

[ckaneo]

This is proof that Disney/Marvel is stupid for even letting other studios touch their franchises for video games.. like what is even the point? Can any of them reach the heights that Insomniac set with the first SM game, let alone this one?

I mean what exactly is the alternative, wait for Insomniac to make them all lol

 

[solidus12]

I hate the fact that seemingly normal dev guys are over at that shithole thinking its the bees knees and best/safest place to discuss games. Infuriating

Reee is one of the most toxic places.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Insomniac are a powerhouse, what a developer