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[Jormatar]

You know that PC gaming is strong in Europe, right?

PC boys ain't interested in console games like 80 dollar Blade and Spider-Man superhero games. Casual console market is where these games shine.

It's gonna be hard for Marvel to skip Playstation when Microsoft is soon behind 3:1 in console sales. I can see this being similar case with MLB where the IP holder just cares about getting most sales and demands their games to be multiplatform.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Why would you announce it in front of 100m viewers with no mention of Xbox then decide to confirm its exclusivity in some press release later on? This is the same team that had their hands all over the Re: Fantazio trailer and didn't have PS branding on a game that is already confirmed to be a PS Crossgen title.

Because the game is 5+ years away? At this point it is a question if it comes out at all.

Trying to manufacture the FUD won't work - we saw Indiana Jones announcement and the platforms were leaked during FTC hearing so...The early announcement is probably due to Disney/Marvel, considering the relative dire situation the Disney is now.

 

[Godot25]

Not all deals are equal and things change.

But there needs to be logic in this you know...

Both deals (for Indiana Jones and Blade) were discussed with same company. If both licenses were in separate companies I would agree that it could lead to different outcomes. But I hardly believe that if Microsoft managed to "cancel" PS5 version of Indiana Jones, that they would not be able or willing to "cancel" PS version of Blade.

But it's the same arguments I read about Indiana Jones and lack of platforms. People also argued that game will be multiplat because it started development before buyout and because initial teaser didn't have only Xbox logo. And few years later we found out that game is exclusive but only because of FTC ABK trial.

 

[DenchDeckard]

They've been trying to win over customers for over 20 years. As far behind as they are, they may be thinking about how to make money off their investments for now.

All anyone says, is that they need games to make people buy into their platform. It's working massively on the PC side, theyve nailed it with games like Sea Of thieves, Forza horizon, grounded, pentiment...the list goes on.

They need to win over customers yet all people demand is that they put their games on Playstation, then if it turns out it's not coming some "game aint shit anyway" narrative will form.

 

[Majukun]

Money. They'd get a large percentage out of those sales. Sony San Diego was making MLB games exclusively for PlayStation until the league forced them to go multiplat or lose the license. Sony chose to continue making them despite having to develop it for both Switch and Xbox.

Very different situation. For Sony the choice was between losing the franchise and having to disband an entire studio and relative assets built over years, or keep it running but concede multiplatform.

Arkane Lyon is not a single game studio, they have their own franchises and the know how to apply to multiple genres, they don't NEED to do this game like Sony needed to keep doing MLS games.

I can see a multiplatform happening only if ms definitely threw away any idea of making consoles and they just wanna transition to a publisher role (which they are already partially doing).

 

[Varteras]

Because the game is 5+ years away?

I find it a bit odd that Microsoft has as many studios as they do now and yet would still need to announce a game that is 5 or more years away.

But there needs to be logic in this you know...

Both deals (for Indiana Jones and Blade) were discussed with same company. If both licenses were in separate companies I would agree that it could lead to different outcomes. But I hardly believe that if Microsoft managed to "cancel" PS5 version of Indiana Jones, that they would not be able or willing to "cancel" PS version of Blade.

Same company. Potentially different groups. Did they ask Disney or did they ask Lucas and Marvel within Disney? Do those two entities have their own authority to make their own deals? You're also assuming the choice wasn't Microsoft's.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because the game is 5+ years away? At this point it is a question if it comes out at all.

Trying to manufacture the FUD won't work - we saw Indiana Jones announcement and the platforms were leaked during FTC hearing so...The early announcement is probably due to Disney/Marvel, considering the relative dire situation the Disney is now.

Has it been said that it's 3 years away?

that would be shockingly bad!

Deathloop launched over two years ago, so i'd like to think its been in production for at least a year.

 

[Varteras]

All anyone says, is that they need games to make people buy into their platform. It's working massively on the PC side, theyve nailed it with games like Sea Of thieves, Forza horizon, grounded, pentiment...the list goes on.

They need to win over customers yet all people demand is that they put their games on Playstation, then if it turns out it's not coming some "game aint shit anyway" narrative will form.

Unfortunately for Microsoft "the game ain't shit anyways" has ended up frequently being the case. I'm not saying what will or won't happen. But there is not ZERO reason for it to go multiplat.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Doesn't really matter who's making it when it's Marvel's IP, they have the final say over this stuff. They're probably negotiating.

There's no way Marvel would want it to be exclusive without getting a big fat paycheck.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I find it a bit odd that Microsoft has as many studios as they do now and yet would still need to announce a game that is 5 or more years away.

They either announced it for hiring. Or it has something do with Disney themselves (as Disney is not doing that well currently).

Has it been said that it's 3 years away?

that would be shockingly bad!

Deathloop launched over two years ago, so i'd like to think its been in production for at least a year.

They said that the development has just started so...It is potentially a couple of years away.

 

[Varteras]

Very different situation. For Sony the choice was between losing the franchise and having to disband an entire studio and relative assets built over years, or keep it running but concede multiplatform.

Arkane Lyon is not a single game studio, they have their own franchises and the know how to apply to multiple genres, they don't NEED to do this game like Sony needed to keep doing MLS games.

I can see a multiplatform happening only if ms definitely threw away any idea of making consoles and they just wanna transition to a publisher role (which they are already partially doing).

A different set of circumstances? Sure. Disbanding an entire studio? Not likely. San Diego would have probably come up with other ideas and been put to work for a time supporting other studios. At the end of the day, it made more financial sense for Sony to agree to it. This could be a similar situation. Where one or both companies decided it made more financial sense. That is, of course, assuming it is multiplat. Which we just don't know right now. I don't find it likely. But, as I said, the reasons to do so are not zero. Some people don't seem to like that thought.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Unfortunately for Microsoft "the game ain't shit anyways" has ended up frequently being the case. I'm not saying what will or won't happen. But there is not ZERO reason for it to go multiplat.

Consistently delivering games in the mid to high 80s..."Games aint shit!"

All the classic hyperbole responses we have heard for years.

 

[Krieger]

Arkane and vampires? Yeah, that's a no from me.

 

[Varteras]

Consistently delivering games in the mid to high 80s..."Games aint shit!"

All the classic hyperbole responses we have heard for years.

The games don't have impact. How long have we heard "reviews ain't shit"? Which is true. Like with Call of Duty or Dreams. Keep your head on straight.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

How do you expect to grow any kind of market share of your console if you devalue it? What’s the point.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Marvel is probably asking for a kidney and a cornea from MS to keep this away from 50+ million potential Playstation buyers.

 

[Portugeezer]

If I had to guess, it's probably multiplatform, otherwise they would have said something like the Kojima game which seems to be Xbox only.

 

[GHG]

Zero reason to put this on PS.

Interesting...

Exclusives suck anyway. Who cares.

Exclusives suck. Who wants to buy several consoles ? Waste of money. Waste of resources.

First party games suck most of the time anyway. I only play third parties, that's where some creativity can be found, and these games have absolutely no good reason to be exclusive to anything.

Games don't have to be exclusive for competition to exist.

I rarely play exclusive games, not because I don't like exclusives (that would be stupid), but because I find them less interesting than what third parties create most of the time. They have to sell consoles after all, so you don't get the same creativity you can find in third party games and indies.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Doesn't really matter who's making it when it's Marvel's IP, they have the final say over this stuff. They're probably negotiating.

There is if Marvel expects a certain number of sales and isn't confident in Xbox providing that.

Depends on who approaches who to some degree. Microsoft say they want to make a game and that it's worth around $x to marvel. How they achieve that is down to them.

Alternatively, Marvel announce to publishers that they'd like to make a game using a particular IP and field pitches and decide from there.

In either situation, it could be that the publisher gives a cut of profits, sales a flat fee or a mix.

Sony were obviously happy to deal with Marvel on Wolverine, despite not putting the game on Xbox, Switch and PC. There's no reason that Xbox couldn't find the money to pay to use an IP exclusively.

 

[Majukun]

A different set of circumstances? Sure. Disbanding an entire studio? Not likely. San Diego would have probably come up with other ideas and been put to work for a time supporting other studios. At the end of the day, it made more financial sense for Sony to agree to it. This could be a similar situation. Where one or both companies decided it made more financial sense. That is, of course, assuming it is multiplat. Which we just don't know right now. I don't find it likely. But, as I said, the reasons to do so are not zero. Some people don't seem to like that thought.

I worked in yearly sporting franchise studios, and they are the kind of studios that are entirely dedicated to one thing and can't easily transition to do other stuff, and when they do, it's other studios that only do yearly sport releases because of some common procedures.
They could have created their own baseball game, that is true, but probably made more financial sense to keep the brand recognition (unlike what ea did with the fifa ip).
Anyway, I agree that there's a non zero chance of multiplatform happening, but it wouldn't make much sense unless Microsoft is in dire need of money, which sure would be a news.

 

[SmokedMeat]

1. Recoup dev costs by releasing on the current leading console worldwide
2. Ensure its not another mid MS exclusive

Why would marvel want to tie their IP to a fringe console?

We don’t know if Switch can handle it.

 

[Varteras]

We don’t know if Switch can handle it.

 

[GHG]

We don’t know if Switch can handle it.

Well considering they said under oath that COD on switch was 100% a technical possibility, I'm sure they'll manage.

 

[digdug2]

Zero reason to put this on PS.

I can think of millions of reasons (money) to put this on PS. Outside of absolute diehard Blade fans, anyone who hasn't bought an Xbox at this point won't be getting one just for this.

 

[Three]

Has it been said that it's 3 years away?

that would be shockingly bad!

Deathloop launched over two years ago, so i'd like to think its been in production for at least a year.

I wouldn't put it past being 3 yrs away with the delays we're getting these days but this post is from 2021:

The one dream combo that I heard this weekend was Blade plus Arkane, I wouldnt be too fussed cause I don't have a massive love for Blade but it could be interesting for others.

So the idea is at least 2 years old.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Lots of speculation, here is some more.

Maybe Marvel don't want it on GamePass or want a massive amount to do so, and Microsoft haven't put the logos on so they don't have to admit that a first party game isn't coming to the service.

Or maybe related to the above, Microsoft are more than happy for it to go on PlayStation because they want the purchase money from PS and it adds perceived value to GamePass.

Or maybe Microsoft want to go cross platform and are using a Marvel property and associated license excuses to ease Xbox owners into this new model (I doubt this)

I think the reality is it is exclusive and like the OP mentions, they don't want to trigger FTC any more than necessary.

1. The first one (along with the non-exclusivity enforcement by Marvel) seemed like the likeliest option. Marvel forced it to be multiplatform. Xbox didn't want to advertise that their first-party games will come to PlayStation, further pushing Xbox console sales into oblivion.
2. However, after the announcement of As Dusk Falls releasing on PlayStation, I think your theory #3 also holds a lot more weight. This also aligns with Tim Stuart's recent statements that Phil had to later refute because the fanboys started rioting.

 

[Heisenberg007]

MS exclusive is my guess. If they do it for Indy they’ll do it for this.

Most likely, but different games would require different negotiations.

Considering Xbox's ever-declining market share and Starfield's and Redfall's poor performance since Xbox managed to renegotiate Indiana Jones' exclusivity, there is a possibility that Marvel doesn't agree to it.

There may also be a risk of pissing off Sony, who has been Marvel's most profitable partner.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Zero reason to put this on PS.

Install base.

 

[cireza]

...

Aren't you a genius ?

Every single quote you made by scanning my post history is about Third Party publishers/developers.

Can you remind me when Microsoft and Arkane have become third party developers already ?

Of course you want to imply that I was talking for first party developers (which is entirely wrong of course, but with the narrative you are constantly pushing, a couple lies are always welcome), in which case we are still waiting for Spiderman to be released on Xbox. Because the same would apply to Sony, obviously.

 

[mejin]

There is no confusion. ToXic community is just full retard like always. They meltdown for anything. It doens't help the paid media is a part of this community.

 

[Varteras]

 

[Heisenberg007]

I can think of millions of reasons (money) to put this on PS. Outside of absolute diehard Blade fans, anyone who hasn't bought an Xbox at this point won't be getting one just for this.

Especially if it comes to choosing between Wolverine + Spider-Man (on PS5) and Blade (on XBS), I reckon more than 90% Marvel fans will pick a PS5 over an Xbox.

And the game may be releasing on Game Pass day one. So where will the sales come from?

And if they do not sell enough copies, this will quickly become an extremely unprofitable project for Xbox that could cost them hundreds of millions.

 

[RoboFu]

So basically it’s…

“ LOL XBOX HAS NO EXCLUSIVES! “

And

“ WWHHAAA!! XBOX HAS EXCLUSIVES!! “

 

[GHG]

Aren't you a genius ?

Every single quote you made by scanning my post history is about Third Party publishers/developers.

Can you remind me when Microsoft and Arkane have become third party developers already ?

Of course you want to imply that I was talking for first party developers (which is entirely wrong of course, but with the narrative you are constantly pushing, a couple lies are always welcome), in which case we are still waiting for Spiderman to be released on Xbox.

Literally the first quoted post is in a thread about first party exclusives.

Nice try though. Some consistency would be nice, but that was always going to be too much to ask considering your mindset.

 

[DJ12]

There is if Marvel expects a certain number of sales and isn't confident in Xbox providing that.

Imagine this scenario....

'Using our advanced Redfall engine'

Give it away for free to anyone and it's not going to do the numbers marvel want.

 

[Varteras]

Imagine thes scenario....

'Using our advanced Redfall engine'

Give it away for free to anyone and it's not going to do the numbers marvel want.

 

[Mowcno]

With all this noise about it's exclusivity if it is exclusive you should expect MS to confirm that pretty rapidly now, if they don't say anything in response to this... well that's probably all you need to know.

 

[GHG]

Imagine thes scenario....

'Using our advanced Redfall engine'

Give it away for free to anyone and it's not going to do the numbers marvel want.

 

[graywolf323]

Literally the first quoted post is in a thread about first party exclusives.

Nice try though. Some consistency would be nice, but that was always going to be too much to ask considering your mindset.

exclusives suck*

*only if they don’t come to Xbox

 

[RoboFu]

There is if Marvel expects a certain number of sales and isn't confident in Xbox providing that.

Or MS already subsidized it with a few tens of millions.

 

[DavJay]

MS wants everybody talking about it. If they announced as Xbox only, PS fans would be quiet but if they leave it like this everybody will talk about it. It’s a marketing strategy

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Zero reason to put this on PS.

I have a feeling not much would be missed.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Imagine thinking Blade is answer to Spider-Man.

 

[Varteras]

Or MS already subsidized it with a few tens of millions.

Considering the value of that IP, I'd think one blowjob would have sufficed. I mean, that's a deal I would have made.

 

[Shut0wen]

Personally i think it will be xbox exclusive because sony made it clear it has fear over any xbox studio having access to a ps5 dev kit hence the reason why minecraft has never been updated on ps5

 

[EDMIX]

Most likely not coming to PlayStation since its made by Arkane that's my guess.

Well...none of that really matters. We don't know how long this deal was in place, Marvel would decide and if it doesn't come to PS, that likely has more to do with Marvel allowing it then anything else tbh.

 

[TrebleShot]

Tired .

This will come to PS5 , Disney and Sony have a very strong relationship. But mostly it makes business sense and Phil Spencer made comments what like 2 weeks ago that they will be making games available on all platforms. They’d love to have game pass on PS5 it’s only Sony stopping it. So this will come to Sony machines.

Just want to point out to whoever keeps bleating on about PC being VERY popular in Europe, it’s popular but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in single digits in comparison to consoles for market share of gaming. PC is way more expensive in Europe than the states.

 

[TrebleShot]

Tired .

This will come to PS5 , Disney and Sony have a very strong relationship. But mostly it makes business sense and Phil Spencer made comments what like 2 weeks ago that they will be making games available on all platforms. They’d love to have game pass on PS5 it’s only Sony stopping it. So this will come to Sony machines.

Just want to point out to whoever keeps bleating on about PC being VERY popular in Europe, it’s popular but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in single digits in comparison to consoles for market share of gaming. PC is way more expensive in Europe than the states.

 

[Godot25]

Tired .

This will come to PS5 , Disney and Sony have a very strong relationship. But mostly it makes business sense and Phil Spencer made comments what like 2 weeks ago that they will be making games available on all platforms. They’d love to have game pass on PS5 it’s only Sony stopping it. So this will come to Sony machines.

So you are going Moriarty's way "Starfield will be on PS5 same day as on Xbox"?

Okay

 

[lh032]

Microsoft begging for spiderman game from insomniac