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They wouldn’t get HALF of that with those unless they were folded into PS+ or whatever Nintendo’s service is.
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Phil Spencer: announcement this week
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KyoZz
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I'm not here to make a summary, and just to be clear I would've said the same thing if the situation was inversed. I'm a PC gamer so I don't care about that war, I bought a PS4 Pro because there were things I wanted to play on it but the last Xbox I got was the very first ^^. I also remember that as soon as Microsoft started to gain momentum with the Xbox they bragged with the famous Xone "TV, Sport, Call of Duty" that led them to collapse.
Every company in a position of monopoly WILL abuse it's consumer to make more money. That's how it is. Sony being alone (or Microsoft) is not something a gamer should want. Competition is good. In fact it is essential in my opinion.
Problem is Xbox is lacking solid first party games on a regular basis for quite some time now while Sony has been consistent (still lacking compared to previous gen, but far better than Xbox).
Of course this is just my opinion, and I'm not an expert at all.
How much is it really hurting them though when sales have cratered already? Just food for thought but think about this 4d chess move:
You've had the shitest gen. 3 years in you're abandoning your hardware due to poor sales. Do you launch a new console and say "sorry about that dud please buy our new one" or do you make it seem like you're doing everybody a favour by releasing another console so soon? People will be cheering that failure instead.
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MS were never in a position of being in a monopoly.
Radical_3d
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mfs are selling 5:1 here in Europe and stopped making variates games (like MotorStorm or anything JapanStudio) to focus on their cinematic experiences. Besides they bought the other half of the industry that Microsoft didn’t buy and put it to make GAAS shit. So yeah: a position of dominance makes the upper directive take harmful decisions.
But to answer your question what people are referring as arrogant Sony is the best Sony: the Kutaragi era. Selling 900$ BOM machines for 600$ and making what Sony Worldwide Studios is today (but better, with Liverpool, Evolution, Japan, Hennig). NeoGAF was a primarily Xbox forum in the PS360 era after all. But fear not, people. That Sony won’t come back. Cinematic experiences in your God Of War game and PC releases to scrap 35 copies worth of sales for everyone!
KyoZz
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Of course, and this is not what I said. I specified "started to gain momentum". It's not the same and it's just to show how quickly a company who was on a good position, no matter who they are, can start doing shit.
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Frwrd
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Zheph
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They are not alone tho and as a PC gamer you should know how much momemtum the platform has gained and how easy it is now to play on PC with handled for example that are only getting better so if Sony gets too wild they will face consequences very quickly
If one company got arrogant recently its definitely MS
H-I-M
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The fact that these sheep keep on seeing Xbox as the good guys saviors and Sony as the evil big corporate (which actually fits Microsoft more), is exactly why Xbox is in its current predicament.
The PS3 had an amazing second half of the generation because Sony had to step up its game.
Meanwhile these losers are celebrating Microsoft's consolidation and them trying to buy their way to the top (Bethesda, Activision, making Starfield exclusive, trying to "spend Sony out of business").
Can't wait to see
KyoZz
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spons
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I vividly remember the Xbox One's staggered launch. German retailers had dozens of consoles in store, all surrounding countries had none.
I could literally drive across the border, grab an Xbox and go back. Half an hour of travel. Did Microsoft ever explain why they did this?
I could literally drive across the border, grab an Xbox and go back. Half an hour of travel. Did Microsoft ever explain why they did this?
Heisenberg007
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Get me a first-class ticket as well, please 
ArcaneNLSC
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IlGialloMondadori
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Without wading into anything else, honestly Sony's PS3 comeback was a sight to see. They drove hard as hell and kept delivering. Meanwhile, MS was all about Kinect when motion was on its way out, and they were offering basically nothing for their core audience. An interesting moment where one party kept fumbling, and the other party kept grabbing the ball and scoring. The fumbles kept going right into the legendary XBOX One reveal debacle, leaving more open goals for Sony.The fact that these sheep keep on seeing Xbox as the good guys saviors and Sony as the evil big corporate (which actually fits Microsoft more), is exactly why Xbox is in its current predicament.
The PS3 had an amazing second half of the generation because Sony had to step up its game.
Meanwhile these losers are celebrating Microsoft's consolidation and them trying to buy their way to the top (Bethesda, Activision, making Starfield exclusive, trying to "spend Sony out of business").
Can't wait to see
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KungFucius
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Seems like a reasonable option. Want these games day one on gamepass? Get an Xbox or PC. Want them on PlayStation? Wait a few quarters and buy them at full price. If they can really start delivering great games, big if, but still possible, then gamepass will grow and revenue will grow.
Heisenberg007
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Game Pass made them grow but with a negative ROI. That's a big problem. Even if they were small with a positive ROI, they would be able to expand and grow.
Game Pass was definitely a huge reason for this downfall. In addition, unnecessary levels of catering to the hardcore fanbase and evangelizers, a childish mentality of the leadership team (both Aaron and Phil, for example), day one PC releases, pretending "console sales don't matter", pretending "game sales don't matter," pretending "engagement is the #1 metric", pretending their mid-tier games are fantastic and 10/10, training their userbase that buying games is wrong, appealing to a cost-conscious consumer base with Series S, etc.
Essentially, pretty much everything they did that Nintendo and PlayStation did not. All of that led to their downfall.
This is a result of lots of accumulated poor decisions.
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IlGialloMondadori
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They were totally a bushleague team playing in the pros, kept there by the money. Sony and Nintendo absolutely have made bad decisions and taken the wrong strategic path, many times. But both seemed to see the problems and correct, or try a different tack. MS just seems to not learn, always be reactive, and double down on bad calls.
Ultimately, I think this decision will probably right their ship quite a bit, and they'll be making money hand over fist. I have no idea what is going on, but it feels like maybe the Activision merger made some people up the chain at MS open up the books and look at what was going on with XBOX in an in-depth level, and forced this change on them because things were not adding up, and they weren't willing to accept, "Trust me bro, next year is the year," when the data was showing things were going poorly, and not getting better, and Acti-Blizz revenue was going to be decimated if they kept things only on XBOX.
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TrebleShot
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Yes in an ideal world, it just depends how much ROI MS above XBX wants, they could in all fairness say we want everything everywhere 70% return on day one launches on third party maybe enough for them and 100% on xbx/game pass.
Either way its inevitable just like day 1 PC will be for Sony.
Heisenberg007
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True. Also, the scope of your bad decisions also matters.
If your bad decision is, say, an unnecessary price hike, then it is relatively easy to reverse.
If your bad decision is spending $80 billion and cutting revenue streams, then that's pretty hard to recover from.
Heisenberg007
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There is not going to be any waiting. All these games will start releasing on day 1 on PlayStation. There will be a few timed exclusives during this transition period, but none once the dust settles and the transition period is over.
And I doubt big time that all Xbox games will be available on day 1 to all Game Pass members. This is on top of many 3rd party publishers that will no longer be partnering with Microsoft and putting their games on Game Pass anymore.
The value of Game Pass will now diminish significantly and rapidly.
ArcaneNLSC
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Has anyone checked on Frosk since this bold prediction and how "she" could be handling the potential news to come?
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Badlucktroll
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Were did you ever see me celebrating anything Microsoft have done? Look at my history ffs. I just praise some games from time to time like Hi-Fi Rush that I really loved. By the way God of War 2018 is one of my favorite game ever. Played it on PS4 and couldn't stop listening to the OST for month. Same for Ghost of Tsushima that I really loved or Spider Man (in fact I have the limited edition PS4 Pro) . Wanna me to screen you all my PS4 games? I can't believe I have to justify myself to show that I'm not pro Microsoft just for saying I don't want Sony to be alone in the console market. So you insult me of being a loser, a sheep? Really, are you twelve?The fact that these sheep keep on seeing Xbox as the good guys saviors and Sony as the evil big corporate (which actually fits Microsoft more), is exactly why Xbox is in its current predicament.
The PS3 had an amazing second half of the generation because Sony had to step up its game.
Meanwhile these losers are celebrating Microsoft's consolidation and them trying to buy their way to the top (Bethesda, Activision, making Starfield exclusive, trying to "spend Sony out of business").
Can't wait to see
For sure Microsoft has been doing some shitty things recently, I'm afraid for the future of Bethesda even if they were already on the downhill. I'm indeed happy at how PC is getting all the love after all with Sony finally releasing games on PC (that's why I didn't bought a PS5). But it's not the same as the console market. I think Nintendo is in it's own things, so Sony would be alone at this specific market. We'll see.
MisterXDTV
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DragonNCM
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I do.....& was not pretty at all
H-I-M
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And as expected he couldn't answer the question. Can't say that I'm surprised.
Stooky
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if the rumors are true and Microsoft eventually pivots all in on software....... Getting out of hardware frees up so much cash. they'll just go on a studio buying frenzy......i don't like this.
skit_data
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Yeah I agree with you, I think it does more damage than it's helping but I could see that being the reasoning behind the silence from their perspective. Maybe save Phils inbox and to take edge off the inevitable shit storm coming their way or something.
Mr.Phoenix
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See the issue with this retarded logic? And why in this case... its the "new narrative"?
Is that everyone and their dog knows that if you want the absolute best performance in games, then you get a PC. That's nothing new. However, everyone also knows that there are literally 100s of millions of people who would rather game on consoles. That is also nothing new either. You can't look at one then ignore the other. Everyone also knows that the majority of these games sell better on consoles too. And so do the publishers.
But most importantly, and you said it yourself... "if you can afford it". Let us not forget that these consoles typically cost under $500. What kinda PC are you affording for $500? Or we do that stupid thing where we talk about PC and only talk about the $500 GPU as if thats the ONLY part that goes into getting a PC. Or we talk about deals in PC gaming as if there arent deals in console gaming too?
And that's the problem here, the second Xbox seems to be officially circling the drain, the Xbox family would suddenly start chirping on about how Xbox never mattered to begin with because they play on PC or PC is the best place to play...etc. I am calling bullshit.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Ignoring everything else I said just to pick this... Can't say I'm surprised. I didn't want to answer this because I was sure some console warrior would come at me but I did not expect to get this type of response.And as expected he couldn't answer the question. Can't say that I'm surprised.
So I don't know, you don't remember the PS3 era with terrible decisions by Sony? If you don't then good for you, I was there with my PS2 (because like it or not, I am a long time Playstation user) and the PS3 with the terrible PlayStation Network at launch, the "Why would anybody play this?" when talking about retro compatibility, or even the e3 reveal for the PS3 which was... rough to say the least (Afrika, really?), or those fake trailers like Motorstorm/Killzone etc etc... Sony has been doing some shitty things same as Microsoft.
For real some of you have short memories. And let me say it again because it's hard for you apparently: On a business view, none of them is superior to another. On the gaming side Sony is better than Microsoft.
I haven't said these words but to put it very generally, standard monopoly risks apply: denial of choice, price inflation, exploitation (of workers and consumers), economic inefficiency, lack of zeal for innovation.
It's hard to say what will exactly happen since none of us has a crystal ball but monopolies and their consequences are well-documented: earliest Darcy v Allein (one supplier got the only licence for selling playing cards in England because the queen wanted to regulate that activity because it was throught problematic at that time); more modern ones: American Tobacco, AT&T, Standard Oil.
It's usually not something to look forward to as a consumer.
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H-I-M
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So all you could come up with are things from the PS3's reveal and launch window, out of a 8 years long generation.
Meanwhile the Switch is on its way to outsell the PS2, hasn't had a price cut, day one games are still being sold full price, but sure, Sony's questionable decisions from 2007 make them sooo arrogant and awful.
Oooh bad Sony.
(Sony aren't saints by the way, but this whole narrative gotta stop).
peish
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What do you mean? Another surface device is supposedly coming out this year. I’m confused.
They are quietly cutting their surface products, at least that’s what the dramatic surface guy gave for his leaving reason
Sony
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Unbelievable. Jez was one of the people who had a meltdown now he's acting above the rest.
peish
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Played like a philddler, nothing burger iam guessing phil is just keeping to his side of the bargain, case by case basis for multi platform ports
Trust in Phil vision ##
MetalFreak
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Fucking cringe!!
ArcaneNLSC
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Rocco Schiavone
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Kenneth Haight
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As if she hasn't embarrassed herself enough, this is one hot take that has aged like milk
Sanepar
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He says we are listening and hear u on his tweet. All info came from xbox fanboys on X or sites linked to Xbox. And now they will have an event with Geoff next week? Yeah I still think this is a marketing trap.
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KyoZz
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Ffs I'm not here to make a full history of bad decisions made by Sony or Microsoft. I picked this period because I was making a parallel with Microsoft which used those bad decisions by Sony to start to brag. If you have followed gaming news over the last 15 years, you know that Sony have done bad things during the PS4 and even the PS5 era (just like Microsoft, I feel the need to precise it because how sensitive some people are).
As I said Nintendo is in it's own things. They are not direct competitors of Playstation and Xbox and this is PRECISELY why they are abusing their position with, like you said, no price cut on hardware or games and many other things (again, I'm not here to make a full history of shitty decisions)
Meanwhile the Switch is on its way to outsell the PS2, hasn't had a price cut, day one games are still being sold full price, but sure, Sony's questionable decisions from 2007 make them sooo arrogant and awful.
Oooh bad Sony.
(Sony aren't saints by the way, but this whole narrative gotta stop).
Shocker: no company is your friend. You don't say. It connect with something I said earlier: Every company in a position of monopoly WILL abuse it's consumer to make more money.
If you don't think competition is good, you are in for a rude awakening. Ands yes I know Microsoft is really shady too with those massive acquisitions. I don't see it as a good thing. Still I'd rather see Sony upping their game (pun intended) even more, than Microsoft going third party. Or we need another company to compete directly with Sony, but I don't know who could come with a console.
Heisenberg007
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If it is a marketing stunt, Xbox leadership is even dumber than I thought.
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