King Dazzar
Member
I'm sure they appreciated your 10 seconds of effort though.I don't blame them. I also brag about being the "fastest ever" to my girlfriends.
They, however, never seem to be as excited about it as I am.
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Speshal Nick [XboxEra]: Jason Ronald not Leading Next-Gen Xbox design (Replaced by Surface team).
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
But Microsoft is a software company and AMD has/can add dedicated ML hardware to their GPUs, there's nothing stopping MS from having a comparable or better solutions.
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StereoVsn
Member
The Surface team has been terrible last several years. They have been packaging outdated hardware into outdated chassis design for overpriced amount of money.
People saying this is a good change are crazy. At least XSX was overall a well engineered device and XSS for all its faults met quite low target price.
The issue, IMO, was more in being able to bring down manufacturing cost on XSX fast enough, but still…. This is basically politics bullshit and not based on engineering merit.
Again, if you have to deal with Surfaces devices, especially in the Enterprise, they are not great by any means.
LordCBH
Member
This has been my experience 100%.
Fredrik
Member
Would cost $1000+ and have problem with backwards compatibility.
That train has left the station long ago. They’re stuck with AMD.
Physiognomonics
Member
They should have let Spencer go too.
Frwrd
Member
II_JumPeR_I
Member
Xbox OS Updates have been lackluster since they started the monthly updates.Yeah. Still waiting for that Achievement update Jason
Achievements "top of mind for us as we look to the road ahead," says Xbox's Jason Ronald
Xbox director of program management, Jason Ronald, recently spoke on the Iron Lords Podcast about the last 20 years of Xbox, the most notable of which was Game DVR and the achievement system.www.trueachievements.com
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well on the split board stuff, I think that was primarily because of Series X systems doubling as server blades. Putting the I/O on a separate board meant they didn't need to manufacture completely new boards for the server implementations of Series X units.
But we also know Sony have modified PS5s for a lot of their cloud streaming. Curious if they make specific boards for those or just use modified PS5 boards. If it's the latter, pretty sure they would be able to double the memory capacity and whatnot, but I'm mainly curious if that's cheaper for them than Microsoft's approach.
Reviewers and tech heads/content creators seem to love them though. Still, interesting to hear takes from the less impressed.
Well the Series X was originally going to have 20 GB of memory which would've made the memory situation a non-issue. But they cut it back to 16 GB for cost reasons.
In hindsight, not a good idea.
Very good take on the constraints for Xbox hardware team for Series S & X. They had to play ball with the Azure folks and use some form of their stuff for Xcloud.
IMHO, the Xbox hardware team probably had ~ 3.5 years to design these Series systems. And they probably waited to see initial reception to the One S & One X to solidify redesigns that would become the Series S & X. Didn't the initial spec rumors for the systems leak in early 2018? That isn't too long after the One X launched, and MS like to put rumors out into the public so they get discourse, usually for some level of feedback.
Compared to the SIE hardware group, the Xbox hardware team was severely constrained and seemingly LTTP in 9th-gen console development. But that's what happens when your division gets funding cut for like two years; that's going to screw up R&D for new hardware for sure.
midnightAI
Member
Ruh roh!
Magic Carpet
Member
Can't wait to read up on how they skimp on memory with weird work arounds this time. Lets have 3 different types of unified ram this time around.
Quasicat
Member
The only Surface I have used was one from work and it made me move away from Windows at home. Everyday I come into work, I have to reboot it so that it will work properly. Plus, when I unplug it from the dock, it takes 20 minutes of fiddling around with it to get it to connect properly. Perhaps they can make a console that doesn’t do this.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
"We've got the guys behind the most powerful and most succesful playstation console"
"Mark Cerny the guy responsible for the PS5 and his team?"
"No I meant the 'most succesful' and 'most powerful' using our metrics. So the PS3 team."
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Yep it’s why I quit the insider program.Felt like a complete waste of time.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why wasn't this the first reply.
NeverYouMind
Member
Series S is the best designed media console I have owned due to amazing UI, commendable compatibility, and great price to performance ratio. Still do not know what Sony was thinking with their Alienware modem and sluggish UI. Not a fan of the mini-PC tower Series X design either. It is also embarrassing how poor the PS5 and Series X run software compared to mid-range PCs from a decade ago.
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spons
Gold Member
You mean the operating systems and their apps? I think the OS of both consoles have literally only one core assigned to them, while games have the rest. The Xbox dashboard is sluggish as fuck if you do more than slowly and carefully working your way around it.
Mr Moose
Member
Yup, they do that magic math.
Did it with Xbox One launch, fastest selling console, which sold 909k in 9 days. PS4 did a million in 24 hours.
I am curious, what does this guy get from these shitty "insider leaks"? Is it just attention or has he monetized it?
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skit_data
Member
This might be an unpopular opinion but I'm raising my flame shield;
I think handhelds are starting to become a bit of a fad, almost similar to how Nintendo became succesful when using motion controllers on Wii. Now everyone wants a piece of the pie. It's a better, way more promising thing than motion controllers/cameras etc. but I can still see Xbox coming out with a handheld just as consumers start to realize "hey wth, back to basics" in a similar manner to how the idea of Kinect fell off in popularity quite quickly because consumers just wasn't interested in that market anymore.
I think handhelds are starting to become a bit of a fad, almost similar to how Nintendo became succesful when using motion controllers on Wii. Now everyone wants a piece of the pie. It's a better, way more promising thing than motion controllers/cameras etc. but I can still see Xbox coming out with a handheld just as consumers start to realize "hey wth, back to basics" in a similar manner to how the idea of Kinect fell off in popularity quite quickly because consumers just wasn't interested in that market anymore.
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Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Magic Math, ahh takes you back.
Microsoft needs to get more flak for misrepresenting the Xbox One S.
Edit: A lot of people are saying that this is Xbox One + PSU vs Xbox One S. This is still misleading. So we are saying that the larger outlining box is supposed to represent the difference in volume between Xbox One + PSU and Xbox One S and that difference is a 40% smaller volume? I measured...
Started the whole ‘flak’ ridicule thing by cultists too.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Our company used to have tons of Surface devices, but people hated them. Lousy keyboards, always problems with power management. We've completely switched to HP now. Colleagues are much happier now.
NeverYouMind
Member
Not for me. I can get to anything in a few button presses and I have everything grouped in a way that makes it hassle-free. After startup it takes me on average 3 seconds to boot what I want unless the application itself has a UI to navigate.
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Mr Moose
Member
The good old days, when that MS guy came on here and straight up lied to us. That clown, forgot his name... "We invented DirectX" guy.Magic Math, ahh takes you back.
Microsoft needs to get more flak for misrepresenting the Xbox One S.
Edit: A lot of people are saying that this is Xbox One + PSU vs Xbox One S. This is still misleading. So we are saying that the larger outlining box is supposed to represent the difference in volume between Xbox One + PSU and Xbox One S and that difference is a 40% smaller volume? I measured...www.neogaf.com
Started the whole ‘flak’ ridicule thing by cultists too.
Edit: Albert Penello.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...
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Mister Wolf
Member
That's for the best. The current regime at Xbox don't know what they're doing.
chromhound
Member
So the next gen xbox will be the Surface Xbox
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I’ve been expecting this pivot. Eventually the goal is that all devices can play all games. That’s the future Xbox sees & wants. So none of this should come as a surprise. If their next hardware is an Xbox handheld I’d be interested. Assuming it did what I wanted it to do.
LordCBH
Member
The good old days, when that MS guy came on here and straight up lied to us. That clown, forgot his name... "We invented DirectX" guy.
Edit: Albert Penello.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...
God that post aged poorly lol.
Ar¢tos
Member
We know they will call it something stupid, like Xbox Screeny, Xbox Handsy, Xbox Series P(ortable)So the next gen xbox will be the Surface Xbox
You'll see lots of people using them by the watercoolers.
LordCBH
Member
Just for funsies I loaded up their website and went through their questionnaire so they could pick out a model for me. They picked up a Surfsce Laptop Studio 2 (thsts a fuckin name. Not a good one. But it is a name). They want like $3k for an i7 and a 4060.
eNT1TY
Member
Surface hardware was always premium and sturdy, my old Surface Book 2 with a gtx 1060 still chugs along fine, the hinge still has proper tension and the attach/detach interface is still responsive and solid. It is no longer my primary laptop, i replaced it with an m2 macbook pro a while ago but it is still quite competent for most tasks light gaming included. If some of the design language and build philosophy carries over we will have one slick looking Xbox that can take a fall or two.
ReBurn
Gold Member
That's Microsoft trying to pretend to compete with the MacBook Pro. I don't know why anyone would buy the studio line. You can get a laptop with an i7 and a 4060 for less than half of what a studio machine costs.
I used my surface book as part of my job because it was easier to travel with than the 17" 11 lb. developer laptop I keep on my desk. I I mostly only used it for games when I was in a hotel and it was pretty great for that at the time. I still use it from time to time but with GeForce Now I can game on pretty much any laptop I take with me.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This could be awesome news. Surface team are pretty bonkers with design but no idea how it could be built on a budget. Also, why am I putting in any weight into rumours by this lot.
Astray
Member
I mean I DID tag it as a rumor lol.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I hope they move away from the Xbox One S family look. Bland as fuck in my opinion .
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
XXL
Member
If they actually think competing with Steam or Nintendo (in handhelds) is going to be any easier than competing with PlayStation (in consoles) they are in for a HUGE reality check.
I would say their best chance was against Playstation.
Playstation themselves know they can't compete with Nintendo when it comes to handhelds and Steam is more dominant on PC than the others are in their respective markets.
ChorizoPicozo
Banned
cuz you want to believe
Tarnpanzer
Member
12TF vs. 10TF where the 10TF console often has similar or better results.
Not saying this is his fault though.
Not saying this is his fault though.
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SkylineRKR
Member
Series might be the biggest flop in Xbox history all things considered. Maybe the original Xbox but that was a different situation and their entry into this business. Maybe he put up that tag a month after launch or something.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Didn't they design the one x?
