HeisenbergFX4
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Said it in another thread he openly chuckled about the PS5s SSD solution saying the Xbox would win all head to head comparisons with that extra power.
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Speshal Nick [XboxEra]: Jason Ronald not Leading Next-Gen Xbox design (Replaced by Surface team).
Topher
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Tarnpanzer
Member
If you really program your games to use every CU of the SX, he is not wrong though.
But almost nobody did this, because it was not worth the effort. "Good enough" was good enough for most Devs in regards to the SX-version.
PS5 with less CUs but with higher frequencies was way easier to utilize.
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High-end Surface Gaming Device that may or may not have Xbox in the name
XXL
Member
I agree with that. But Steam and Nintendo have soooo much mindshare (on PC and Handheld), because they have no real competition in their respective spaces and haven't for a long time. Playstation has been splitting the market with Xbox for a while now.
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Little Chicken
Member
The performance gap between the PS5 and Series X has widened with time, as most people assumed it would. It isn't major, but it's notable enough for DF and other sites to mention.
Topher
Gold Member
No, it hasn't. Some games perform better on PS5. Some games perform better on XSX. Most games perform exactly the same. It's been that way all gen long.
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I was actually shocked that some of these higher ups at MS didn't understand the ins & outs of console designs .
Little Chicken
Member
There are plenty of recent examples of Series X games having higher resolutions than PS5, just stating facts, sorry x
Lol no it hasn't lol
The only thing that matters is how the games are designed. If it push this way it will choke PS5 & if it's pushed that way it will choke Xbox Series X.
Trogdor1123
Member
Why does everyone say the s was a failure? My understanding is that the majority of Xbox units sold are the s. Or no?
Ronin_7
Member
Topher
Gold Member
Unfortunately you are only stating the facts that suit your narrative. We all know there is more to it than that.
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It's like the people who still blame Kinect for Xbox One not being as good as PS4 they just found something to blame & stuck with it.
Without Series S it wouldn't be a Series X now things are better than they would have been if MS even tried to push Series X on its own.
LordCBH
Member
Because the S is holding back the X.
MisterXDTV
Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I think its important to give MS credit where it due. What Series S/X do is actually very impressive from a firmware/system-software perspective. Maintaining backwards compatibility -even through recompilation- on top of supporting all these different hardware configurations is no small thing.
What's hurt is that although it does facilitate this, its still a lot more work for devs to accommodate, and for publishers to work with due to the various parity edicts and policies that its attached to. It wouldn't be so bad perhaps if Cerny wasn't making a huge pitch for developer friendliness on Playstation - from a third party planning perspective it really puts the blue brand in the driver's seat when it comes to picking lead SKU's.
As time goes by and more target platforms and performance profiles need factoring in, I can imagine Xbox devs finding it increasingly frustrating. I mean its evident at this stage the reduced memory and memory bandwidth of Series S versus X can be a major headache (Baldur's Gate for example), adding a further higher-tier target on top is likely to make things even more difficult and offputting. So maybe, now's a good time for them to maybe do a more comprehensive rethink of how their entire pipeline works.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Surface PCs are rock solid, but very pricey.
MisterXDTV
Member
TIMESTAMPED LIES
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HeisenbergFX4
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Fake
Member
They want cheap, so no.
Audiophile
Member
I wonder if a custom Intel APU might be a pretty great play for a new gen of hardware, assuming they're capable of getting a beefy GPU on there.Me, looking at all those Nvidia x86 APUs avaliable for sale out there:
Their new laptop chips are brilliant and their GPUs seem to be moving towards featureset parity with Nvidia faster than AMD (RT & XeSS for eg.).
AMD x86 + Nvidia would probably be ideal but working with them both could get a bit squirrely.
I think MS need a few curveballs if they're gonna try and persist in the hardware space; and an Intel APU might be the most straightforward route for making a more performant box.
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UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Ouch. Someone should be worried about their job.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Nintendo got cheap
Fake
Member
You want a 2010 hardware in your console?
Nintendo wasn't looking for power, but for portable capabilities.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
I want the most powerful hardware fuck the price
Topher
Gold Member
Fake
Member
PC.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Right there with ya, give me an ultra variant of a console
OverHeat
« generous god »
Give me all the games day 1 then!!!! Come on Sony
And I have a PC lol
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In what way? First party games have near instant loading with few third party games being just as fast.Microsoft overpromised on the power, Sony overpromised on the SSD.
The SSD being leverage for gameplay purposes is a engine limitation if it's not being leverage and most games aren't using current gen features much.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Starts off fairly reasonable.The good old days, when that MS guy came on here and straight up lied to us. That clown, forgot his name... "We invented DirectX" guy.
Edit: Albert Penello.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...www.neogaf.com
Jumps off the deep end.
Topher
Gold Member
Maybe "overpromised" is the wrong word. It was definitely overhyped. Either way, we got fast loading and that is about it except for one game.
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UniformDeliverance
Member
I’ve had many surfaces and love them. Super small, work great. If Xbox is working in a portable device, the surface team helping with that honestly makes me more excited about the prospect.
March Climber
Member
Comparing him to Cerny's work is like comparing an old Samurai, who has mastered his entire technique and life's work, to Tom Cruise's character in The Last Samurai.
Yekshemesh
Member
He designed 2 systems that was not just unprofitable, but they lose money on each system sold. I'd get rid of his ass too.
scarlet0pimp
Member
I think he did a great job with the S actually. I know round here it's not liked but being an owner of one I find it amazing how tiny it is and what it can produce.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Is that "Of Rats and Men"?Xbox Switch incoming? Good luck.
Sony
Nintendo
Read the words carefully. It says: "will not be in charge of Microsoft's next gaming device".
The next Xbox console doesn't have to be the next gaming device. If it's anything other than a gaming console, a Switch / Steam Deck like handheld for example, it would make sense for the Surface team to be in the lead.
The biggest downer here is that Panos Panay isn't on the Surface team anymore.
The next Xbox console doesn't have to be the next gaming device. If it's anything other than a gaming console, a Switch / Steam Deck like handheld for example, it would make sense for the Surface team to be in the lead.
The biggest downer here is that Panos Panay isn't on the Surface team anymore.
The Pleasure
Member
If it means anything, my surface laptop 3 got a cracked screen. It's a known issue and Microsoft released a statement on it. My laptop was out of warranty by one month and they wanted 600 dollars to fix a known hardware defect.
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Syphon Filter
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AMD > Nvidia
Rac3r
Member
I remember the 9.2 TF github leak, and the subsequent meltdowns on Gaf, in early 2020. Funny how it didn't matter at all.