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Speshal Nick [XboxEra]: Jason Ronald not Leading Next-Gen Xbox design (Replaced by Surface team).

Ozriel

M$FT
Damn, he's been working with Xbox for almost 18 years now. Nasty, but if you don't deliver you basically have to go.

He does seem to have a different take on the term "successful" than most people though:

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He should be sacked for that LinkedIn entry alone
 

iHaunter

Member
Damn, he's been working with Xbox for almost 18 years now. Nasty, but if you don't deliver you basically have to go.

He does seem to have a different take on the term "successful" than most people though:

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Under what grounds is it the most successful in history?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Under what grounds is it the most successful in history?
Thats the typical Linkedin hyperbole BS a lot of people do. I dont. Everything I write is legit.

But typically, every sales, marketing and product manager kind of guy will BS their profile making it look like everything he worked on was gold. Somehow everything in life on every profile is super awesome, super profitable and super successful.

At least going by that profile snippet, he didn't state numbers. Anytime you see data and numbers it's likely BS. Every time I see past or present coworkers stating $$$ or %, it's all BS as I know the real number doing finance. People are full of shit.
 

phant0m

Member
Would cost $1000+ and have problem with backwards compatibility.
That train has left the station long ago. They’re stuck with AMD.
Then break back compat. It clearly hasn’t won them anything, Sony offers nothing for PS2/3 and is eating their lunch.

Bring power and performance.
 
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hinch7

Member
They're making a Steam Deck / Switch like console.
That would actually be smart. Since there are clearly interest in handhelds these days with the Steam Deck and ROG Ally selling really well.

Going with that and a high powered console would be an interesting thing. The only thing I'd say if they don't at least put some sort of Windows OS on it.. it'll be a massively missed opportunity. Just have the main OS centred around the Xbox UI with store and GP on it. Since consoles are more or less PC's in hardware anyways, just with massive restrictions.

Why not have a USP that you're selling a mini-PC with it ala Steam Deck. Verses competitors that don't offer that - PS5/6 and Switch/2, but you have access to GamePass and Xbox stuff tailored for it.
 
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DavJay

Member
Weird. The series team did well this gen. Very silent, powerful, noninvasive design at a great price point. This was actually their best console ever not including the one X. The problem was the lack of exclusives and the stanch of the one blunder.
 

Kumomeme

Member
i believe the real issue is not the hardware team. but the top management

like the Series S issue. no way the developers behind it not aware of the problem. even non-professional fans could think some of obvious stuff. im not suprise the decision to push for some stuff like Series S development is not due to the developers feedback but more like the higher up and perhaps their bussiness team's idea. those are the real issue.

if this is the case, they need to separate the line between the technical aspect of developing console hardware vs bussiness decision goal. a proper balance is a must. if they cant do this, no use to change team. heck they could bring Mark Cerny and nothing could change. PS4 and PS5 for example was developed with developers in mind foremost. while since Xbox One era, lot of dumb decision is not due to the hardware team but obviously someone on top. like Kinect, always online things, Series S etc. which is such a shame that since Xbox one X, they made some fantastic hardware but got handicapped buy stuff that out of the hardware team's hands.
 
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Microsoft can't afford losing GAMES and gamers to Linux/SteamOS
I bet they want something to stop Valve's success with Steamdeck

So yeah, it would make sense if they creat their own hardware for that.
 
Does the surface team has a good track record on making hardware that anyone cares about?
LOL, when's the last time you ever saw someone using a Microsoft Surface?

They hate the free promotional ones everyone gets in the NFL so much that players are regularly seem throwing them on the ground in anger and coaches resort to using pen and paper on the sidelines to draw up plays. For years, the announcers were referring to them as 'iPads' on live television and it became such an issue that MS had to go and tell them the script on how to refer to the things.
 
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farmerboy

Member
Not particularly fond of the Surface laptops. Not sure how this will impact the next box, but I think its easier to create and deliver a vision when its a single person and not a group or committee.

I think Cerny is an absolute asset to Sony.
 

twilo99

Member
That would actually be smart. Since there are clearly interest in handhelds these days with the Steam Deck and ROG Ally selling really well.

Going with that and a high powered console would be an interesting thing. The only thing I'd say if they don't at least put some sort of Windows OS on it.. it'll be a massively missed opportunity. Just have the main OS centred around the Xbox UI with store and GP on it. Since consoles are more or less PC's in hardware anyways, just with massive restrictions.

Why not have a USP that you're selling a mini-PC with it ala Steam Deck. Verses competitors that don't offer that - PS5/6 and Switch/2, but you have access to GamePass and Xbox stuff tailored for it.

The problem is that while the surface hardware is decent, they are always a gen behind when it comes to silicon…
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
I can't wait for that crew to go from "midgen is pointless" to "an early more powerful console that plays the exact same games is in fact amazing".
To be fair to them an extra two years, if it is that much, gives them the chance to pack more powerful HW, but by the time enough devs take good advantage of that power PS6 might be around the corner.

It depends on the cycle, 5-6 years is not enough for a meaningful next-generation upgrade I think. It was not last generation and each new generation the time for next gen increases (we have yet to see a semiconductor breakthrough to buck the trend: it is taking longer and longer for each new meaningful semiconductor node update and designing / manufacturing on the new nodes is also getting more and more expensive to design on them… I think at 5nm with EUV you also hit a quite hard limit in terms of size at around 400 mm2 so you need to go chipset or constrain your size).
 

Three

Member
To be fair to them an extra two years, if it is that much, gives them the chance to pack more powerful HW, but by the time enough devs take good advantage of that power PS6 might be around the corner.

It depends on the cycle, 5-6 years is not enough for a meaningful next-generation upgrade I think. It was not last generation and each new generation the time for next gen increases (we have yet to see a semiconductor breakthrough to buck the trend: it is taking longer and longer for each new meaningful semiconductor node update and designing / manufacturing on the new nodes is also getting more and more expensive to design on them… I think at 5nm with EUV you also hit a quite hard limit in terms of size at around 400 mm2 so you need to go chipset or constrain your size).
You're right that the jumps are getting ridiculously small. The fact that we have a push for low end stuff like Series S and handheld isn't likely to help either as gens become longer. The thing is, xbox only truly dropped crossgen only late last year. if it releases 2 years from now running the same games as this gen for 3 years it's going to be 'midgen' in all but name. They've kind of killed generations already.
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
The most successful console in Xbox history ?
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You laugh, but look at Xbox history. Xbox 1 was moderately successful as a new entry. Xbox 360 sold a lot but the RROD problems really made a dent in the overall profitability. Xbox One lost a lot of ground. Xbox series lost a lot of ground. Only the 360 was 'successful' in that it improved over the predecessor and that hardware was a fiasco.

I mean it is still a ridiculous claim to make but you could argue that it is the most successful since it did not alienate gamers from the reveal and did not result in a loss of over a billion due to a design defect.

Also the guy is a program manager, not a technical lead. He cares about getting the console out on time and below budget. It is very likely that in terms of those program management metrics, he delivered better than the program managers of the previous systems. It's not his fault the Software and Marketing divisions failed.
 

Shifty1897

Member
Bring Nvidia back you cowards

Pound for pound you’re going to deliver a lot better framerates and IQ with DLSS than any AMD-based setup. FSR3 is barely as good as DLSS 2 let alone DLAA and frame-gen capabilities of DLSS3.

If they want to swing hardware back in their favor and make Sony sweat going back to nVidia is their only choice.

but they won’t
NVIDIA stock is still through the roof and they love the smell of their own farts right now. You won't be able to compete at the same price point as an AMD PS6 unless you're going to use last gen tablet chips from them like Nintendo does.
 

hinch7

Member
The problem is that while the surface hardware is decent, they are always a gen behind when it comes to silicon…
APU's are getting plenty powerful. In 2026 we should have mobile APU's with Zen 5 and RDNA 5 in them. To coincide with enthusiast console. One low powered portable console that could play the majority of games of its bigger bretheren. Much like how SD is a companion device to Steam users on PC (desktop). Or a low budget/entry level portable PC for gaming.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
You look at Cerny and a lot of his PS5 comments were ridiculed as copium, but have actually been proven true.

This wizard looking mofo said stuff that sounded great but it’s all been proven to be horse shit.

This is a rare W for MS.
 

Beechos

Member
Xbox hardware is prob the best thing ms is doing right. The surface is also a helluva piece of hardware with apple levels of engineering, just sucks ms is stuck using crappy Intel cpus. Ms should be good with either one.
 

Alan Wake

Member
Does the surface team has a good track record on making hardware that anyone cares about?
The Surface line of products is pretty awesome albeit somewhat pricey. So I'm not at all concerned about the quality aspect. I just wonder why they'd do this. The hardware itself hasn't been the issue for Xbox lately.
 
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