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[Hudo]

Also again it shows that pc players are bitches. They always whine about something.
The game is using these expensive components for something. That’s a good thing. Right?
And mtx is optional. I have 600 steam games and you think I go and cry playing games for which I have not bought every dlc ?! Get real and just ignore this or pay 2$ if you really want it.
Then they will whine that singleplayer games are dead, where is dd3 and games are too expensive at 70€

That's certainly one of the takes of all time.

 

[STARSBarry]

This thread is basically Tell me you didn't play DD1 without telling me you didn't play DD1.

Or alternatively they played.

Notice how the only DLC is a soundtrack? Interesting how not being flooded by DLC day 1 was an expectation for PC players.

 

[Fabieter]

Besides sony most aaa sp games have mtx. I dont think it's great but if we really hate mtx than we should hate every mtx game and f2p games shouldn't even exist.

Imagine hating on sp games selling for 70 bucks but most popular f2p games from riot, valve miyo sell skins for half of a full price game on top of battlepass crap etc.

Gamers are so selective in their critics its ridiculous.

All those f2p devs are way worse than this because.

We deserve the gaas mtx f2p hell that's coming in a few years.

 

[Moneal]

Because having played DD makes this okay, somehow?

what makes this ok is that they game is great without having to buy any of the crap.

Or alternatively they played.

Notice how the only DLC is a soundtrack? Interesting...

yea PC didn't get the Original until after the DLC released for DD1. It did add unlimited fast travel. The original pre Dark Arisen was same as DD2 limited fast travel. Here is the DLC for the original on console. https://dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Downloadable_Content notice the Misc table.

Title	Content	Release Date	Price	Notes
Rift Crystal Pack	2,000 Rift Crystals	May 22, 2012	$0.99	"Hire on any pawn with this pack of 2,000 Rift Crystals." [1]
Rift Crystal Bulk Pack	15,000 Rift Crystals	June 23, 2012	$5.99	"Be king of the rift with this pack of 15,000 Rift Crystals." [1]
Set Out for Adventure - The Right Tools	2,000 Rift Crystals, increased inventory at Aestella's shop	June 19, 2012	$0.99	"This pack provides 2,000 Rift Crystals, and an increased inventory at Aestella's shop in Cassardis from game start."
Set Out for Adventure - A Great Defense	Armour for the 3 starter vocations plus a Farewell hood, Cloak and Gloves	June 19, 2012	$0.99	"This armor pack will stock your item storage with sturdy armors for Fighter, Strider and Mage. A Farewell Hood, Farewell Gloves, and a Farewell Cloak will help you no matter your new vocation, making your adventures sweet and easy as Meloirean pie."
Set Out for Adventure - The Best Offense	Iron Sword, Criteria, Wooden Staff (all Level 2)	June 19, 2012	$0.99	"This weapons pack will stock your item storage with dependable weapons for Fighter, Strider and Mage. With an Iron Sword, a set of Criteria, and a Wooden Staff, each enhanced to level 2, your adventuring will be a piece of Cassardian fishcake."
Challenge Pack: A Trial for Adventurers	Hard Mode Speedrun Mode	December 4, 2012	Free	"Seasoned Arisens! Experience the next level of adventure with two new modes: Speedrun Mode and Hard Mode." [1]
A Boon for Wanderers - Bonus Pack	Rift Crystals, Gold, Discipline Points and more. (see page for list)	February 12, 2013	$1.99	"Gain the upper hand against your foes with this plentiful pack of Rift Crystals, Gold, Discipline, Ferrystones and Wakestones!"

 

[RoboFu]

..or people who have already dropped 80 bucks on this game and can't bring themselves to admit that was a bad decision. Better to defend than admit to do something dumb, like pre-ordering.

Or some people don't see optional options in a game that's not competitive as an issue. Why is this an issue? It's not like you can't get this stuff in game. It's not directly hurting you if you don't buy it. So why is it an issue again???

 

[balls of snow]

Good gamers are dragging Capcom. Sf 6 being account locked on ps5 for 'reasons' really showed me how scummy they are. Never getting any of that new characters or costumes. Cheers chucklefucks have fun repairing that steam rating.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Besides sony most aaa sp games have mtx. I dont think it's great but if we really hate mtx than we should hate every mtx game and f2p games shouldn't even exist.

Imagine hating on sp games selling for 70 bucks but most popular f2p games from riot, valve miyo sell skins for half of a full price game on top of battlepass crap etc.

Gamers are so selective in their critics its ridiculous.

All those f2p devs are way worse than this because.

We deserve the gaas mtx f2p hell that's coming in a few years.

You answered your own damn question.
70 bucks AND mtx or F2P (means free you know....) with mtx?

Yeah the difference is right there.

 

[Faust]

After nearly 1000 hours in the first game and its expansion and about 6 hours in DD2 so far:

You have other options for travel that aren’t instant teleports. The game, much like the first, is not designed around the use of instant teleports.

Wakestones, much like the DMC counterpart, aren’t really useful unless you are super bad at the game.

You can earn RC in game.

All DLC is no different than the original DLC the first game launched with.

Save file is like Pokemon. One save file, one character. Want a new one? Delete the old. This one is very dumb and needs to change.

 

[Buggy Loop]

After nearly 1000 hours in the first game and its expansion and about 6 hours in DD2 so far:

You have other options for travel that aren’t instant teleports. The game, much like the first, is not designed around the use of instant teleports.

Wakestones, much like the DMC counterpart, aren’t really useful unless you are super bad at the game.

You can earn RC in game.

All DLC is no different than the original DLC the first game launched with.

Save file is like Pokemon. One save file, one character. Want a new one? Delete the old. This one is very dumb and needs to change.

But the drama, think of the drama?

 

[killatopak]

Unfortunately, this is most of the big capcom games. Practically all of them have mtx even RE4 with gold tickets.

 

[Majukun]

Or some people don't see optional options in a game that's not competitive as an issue. Why is this an issue? It's not like you can't get this stuff in game. It's not directly hurting you if you don't buy it. So why is it an issue again???

that they are extremely limited in game and thus manipulatively attractive to some players


but the general issue is always the same, mtx are fees for no service that have no place in fully priced games

 

[Zheph]

After nearly 1000 hours in the first game and its expansion and about 6 hours in DD2 so far:

You have other options for travel that aren’t instant teleports. The game, much like the first, is not designed around the use of instant teleports.

Wakestones, much like the DMC counterpart, aren’t really useful unless you are super bad at the game.

You can earn RC in game.

All DLC is no different than the original DLC the first game launched with.

Save file is like Pokemon. One save file, one character. Want a new one? Delete the old. This one is very dumb and needs to change.

So you are not concerned by the mtx and are having fun?

 

[Del_X]

Games journalists are actually scum.
Game runs like shit? 9/10
Game has paywalled basic features like editing your character? 9/10

Never mind the anti-consumer bullshit, it has “emergent” gameplay and is GoTY material! Again - part of making a game is technical (not running like ass) and another part is having respect for your audience.

 

[CSJ]

The simply solution? Don't pay for any of them. If you do, you suck at gaming and should go find another hobby.

That's not a solution, that's bearing with it.
We can't vote with our wallets because there are enough idiots who buy this shit up and it changes the way we are used to SP game offerings.

It’s ok to call out but boycotting and artificial negative scores because of this are stupid. Game itself is good. This is optional inconvenience at best

Boy, some people really have a hard time coping with the mere thought that someone might not like something you do.
"It's fun who cares". Apparently, a lot of people care about the opinions of those who do not like it haha.

 

[Majukun]

After nearly 1000 hours in the first game and its expansion and about 6 hours in DD2 so far:

You have other options for travel that aren’t instant teleports. The game, much like the first, is not designed around the use of instant teleports.

Wakestones, much like the DMC counterpart, aren’t really useful unless you are super bad at the game.

You can earn RC in game.

All DLC is no different than the original DLC the first game launched with.

Save file is like Pokemon. One save file, one character. Want a new one? Delete the old. This one is very dumb and needs to change.

the game not being designed with fast travel makes it even worse, since it means that they are ok with sacrificing the entire gameplay loop and experience for some cash

and will still not take away the feeling that they are selling you a solution for a problem they created...it's ok if your design philosophy hinges on fast travel being limited and forcing the player to travel but at least commit to it instead of throwing it away for 2 dollars a pop.

 

[rofif]

Review scores being low, because the publisher implemented bad practices and denied basic features to players, is not artifical, it is perfectly legitimate and deserved. I can understand that you personally like the game. You are entitled to. But there is no need to defend Capcom from perfectly justified backlash.


We fundamentally disagree here. In fact, most of this thread disagrees with you on this.

You can disagree all you want. This is nothing compared to what other games are doing. Just don’t buy it

 

[near]

Besides sony most aaa sp games have mtx. I dont think it's great but if we really hate mtx than we should hate every mtx game and f2p games shouldn't even exist.

Imagine hating on sp games selling for 70 bucks but most popular f2p games from riot, valve miyo sell skins for half of a full price game on top of battlepass crap etc.

Gamers are so selective in their critics its ridiculous.

All those f2p devs are way worse than this because.

We deserve the gaas mtx f2p hell that's coming in a few years.

This makes no sense. Single player games are designed to be complete packages, when you start to accommodate for mtx you’re effectively changing your game design. This not only affects how the game is played but it also sets an awful precedent for how games will be designed in the future. This is the best example of pay 2 win in a single player game. F2P games rely on an entirely different financial model, you’re sold a free game, and not promised anything.

DD1 had a shitty navigation system to begin with, no one who wants to enjoy a games world design is going to want to fast travel in the first place, but when your quests and encounters are designed to make you walk endlessly back and forth you are forced into using fast travel, which has been subsequently limited by design. If you can’t see how fucking bad this is it’s on you, but you’re making a poor effort defending this shit.

 

[DryvBy]

I really don't like modern gaming, man.

Hey, but remember. You have dudes out here pretending games should cost more due to inflation while ignoring how modern games make their money.

 

[LordCBH]

Be capcom
Talk about how fast travel is immersion breaking and boring
Sell fast travel as microtransactions


Jesus.

 

[Draugoth]

Official stamement from Capcom:

 

[Zheph]

Official stamement from Capcom:

new game option could be a Steam exclusive?

 

[LordCBH]

Official stamement from Capcom:

It kinda cracks me up that Capcom response to the microtransactions is just “deal with it.”

 

[Hot5pur]

Is video game development unsustainable that you have to put fast travel and character editor behind a paywall?
Or is this just f*ing greed and these c*nts want to make as much money as they can by seeing how many twats play devils advocate and defend these practices.
Some of the responses in this thread...

 

[vkbest]

They care more about their frames than gameplay.

Stable framerate = better experience.

If you are a fucking conformist is not our problem, it's yours.

 

[Windom Earle]

Official stamement from Capcom:

Please understand...

 

[Fabieter]

You answered your own damn question.
70 bucks AND mtx or F2P (means free you know....) with mtx?

Yeah the difference is right there.

People expect way higher quality without any kind of extra monetization. F2p games are cheaply made compared to aaa games but make was more money. All f2p games are scam , fucking all of them. Prefer the aaa model any day.

 

[Fabieter]

This makes no sense. Single player games are designed to be complete packages, when you start to accommodate for mtx you’re effectively changing your game design. This not only affects how the game is played but it also sets an awful precedent for how games will be designed in the future. This is the best example of pay 2 win in a single player game. F2P games rely on an entirely different financial model, you’re sold a free game, and not promised anything.

DD1 had a shitty navigation system to begin with, no one who wants to enjoy a games world design is going to want to fast travel in the first place, but when your quests and encounters are designed to make you walk endlessly back and forth you are forced into using fast travel, which has been subsequently limited by design. If you can’t see how fucking bad this is it’s on you, but you’re making a poor effort defending this shit.

But f2p are way cheaper to make but have a way higher ceiling. If you don't like this expect aaa games to get less prevalent again. This isnt as bad as supporting any f2p title.

 

[Fake]

The amount of "just ignore it" and "its completely optional" and "stop whining" comments in this thread make me think GAF is being invaded by Capcom's PR personnel.

Just idiots. No sane people would defend a paid fast travel.

 

[RickSanchez]

how many twats play devils advocate and defend these practices.
Some of the responses in this thread...

It's ridiculous dude. I dont get it. And i give up. These people don't even bother making good faith arguments beyond "just ignore it".

I'm tired boss.

 

[Fabieter]

It's ridiculous dude. I dont get it. And i give up. These people don't even bother making good faith arguments beyond "just ignore it".

I'm tired boss.

What about the 29372728 other games were mtx are ignored? It feels like complete double standard.

 

[Shodai]

For folks saying this is a non-issue, why were the micro-transactions Hidden & Not Disclosed to reviewers until release?

 

[Boneless]

Is the MTX essential to enjoy the game? Would the game play better and be more fun without these MTXs? If no, then I fail to see the problem and understand the outrage over MTXs like these, because not buying these MTXs is virtually identical for us as if they didn't exist in the first place.

Since I don't understand the problem and outrage of this, I get the impression that the people who are deeply bothered and vocal about this are really troubled by merely the possibility, potential, or temptation of buying MTXs, by either not being able to but wanting to or some sort of annoying FOMO.

 

[BlackTron]

IMO if you are supporting this game's launch while they are monetizing fast travel and character editing, you are part of the problem. I'm actually interested in the game, but not at this time.

 

[Faust]

the game not being designed with fast travel makes it even worse, since it means that they are ok with sacrificing the entire gameplay loop and experience for some cash

and will still not take away the feeling that they are selling you a solution for a problem they created...it's ok if your design philosophy hinges on fast travel being limited and forcing the player to travel but at least commit to it instead of throwing it away for 2 dollars a pop.

Some people are lazy and retarded. Let them spend money on these items. As long as it doesn’t alter the core design of the game (such as Assassins Creed making the game grinder to facilitate selling exp boosts) then I don’t see the issue.

 

[Evil Calvin]

The game is still complete. All games have some sort of microtransactions. Welcome to 2024.

Just a bunch of whiney PC snobs.

 

[Gamezone]

The game recieved a score of 89 on avrage. This is why Steam reviews are so important.

 

[SJRB]

Official stamement from Capcom:

I always strongly dislike dev reactions like these because it makes it seem the shit performance caught them by surprise.

"We are aware" and "we are looking into ways to improve performance"... Buddy, you designed the game like this. That's literally on you. There's zero chance you didn't know this before the game launched.

 

[Metnut]

So I have to pay real money to fast travel? That’s atrocious. Too many other games to play for me to bother with this.

 

[Mephisto40]

Capcom's response to all issues raised

"Yes"

 

[BlackTron]

Is the MTX essential to enjoy the game? Would the game play better and be more fun without these MTXs? If no, then I fail to see the problem and understand the outrage over MTXs like these, because not buying these MTXs is virtually identical for us as if they didn't exist in the first place.

Since I don't understand the problem and outrage of this, I get the impression that the people who are deeply bothered and vocal about this are really troubled by merely the possibility, potential, or temptation of buying MTXs, by either not being able to but wanting to or some sort of annoying FOMO.

Highlighted the most relevant part. Not understanding something is a fantastic basis for forming an opinion.

Wouldn't want to deal with that illogical, annoying FOMO of features like fast travel and character creation. Thankfully, we sane individuals can see that these features have no value to anybody, which is why they are in almost no games.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Official stamement from Capcom:

At least they openly stated they'll address the new game issue. Honestly, besides denuvo and performance issues, that was what was bothering me the most.

Still, this will stay in the oven for me for some time. I don't buy any Capcom game until they at least remove denuvo.

 

[Fabieter]

So I have to pay real money to fast travel? That’s atrocious. Too many other games to play for me to bother with this.

No you don't have to. With hyperbole like this gonna get fake news out like crazy

 

[MALpractice311]

You can't have multiple saves? You can't edit your character's appearance except by paying more money? Yeah, GTFO with that shit, Capcom. Let this shit heap burn.

 

[RickSanchez]

As long as it doesn’t alter the core design of the game (such as Assassins Creed making the game grinder to facilitate selling exp boosts) then I don’t see the issue.

But don't you think they've already done that ? They would have designed quests in a way that requires you to traverse a lot. Then make the traversal feel like a grind, so that normies will buy your port crystals or whatever. This is fundamental design around mtx rather than around good exploration like Skyrim. They would not make traversal & exploration fun, otherwise no one would buy their crap.

 

[Rossco EZ]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/XiYfD5xamp

 

[AngelMuffin]

I never spend money on MTXs so their mere existence here doesn’t bother me.

 

[Fabieter]

But don't you think they've already done that ? They would have designed quests in a way that requires you to traverse a lot. Then make the traversal feel like a grind, so that normies will buy your port crystals or whatever. This is fundamental design around mtx rather than around good exploration like Skyrim. They would not make traversal & exploration fun, otherwise no one would buy their crap.

Yes if you think it doesn't have nice exploration than arguing with the haters don't make any sense. Jesus christ!

 

[RickSanchez]

What about

aah yes, whataboutism

 

[Larivel]

Even Ubisoft didn't stoop as low (yet) to sell fast travel as a microtransaction. Also, no option to start a new game without manually deleting your original save is such a dumb idea.