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[Tookay]

Despite my initial ambivalence on the setting, this sounds pretty incredible actually. If Ubisoft can pull this off...

American patriotism? im out...few topics are as repellent to my taste like this one

I love ignorant posts like this. Did you even bother to read the OP?

"Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors."

 

[ThaddeusMcGee]

Looks and sounds amazing.

 

[thetrin]

American patriotism? im out...few topics are as repellent to my taste like this one

Congratulations on your total inability to understand the difference between historical fiction and rabid patriotism.

I love ignorant posts like this. Did you even bother to read the OP?

"Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors."

Of course he didn't read it. If he had, he wouldn't have said something as astronomically stupid as he had. Evidently, interest in a pivotal part of American history is veiled patriotism.

 

[Jtrizzy]

-You can upgrade Connor's gear and costume as the game goes on in an attempt to make it feel more authentic.

I hope you can change it early on to a more inconspicuous outfit. Something frontiersman/mercenary/freedom fighter. But this really does look like goty material, with the open world frontier stuff. A lot of that is because the period hasn't been explored in games, but it sounds like Red Dead or Skyrim meets Assassin's creed in the Revolutionary war.

 

[NZNova]

Little disappointed they didn't go with the Chinese girl from Embers, a female protagonist would have been good and the setting sounded like it would have been great. But I'll take this, the setting looks great and hopefully we'll see similar advancements as there were between AC1 (which I, in the minority apparently, loved) and AC2.

 

[Irish]

What do you guys think of the screens so far?

I like that everything seems to pop. I also think the environments are beautiful. The snow looks especially great.

 

[vesp]

As someone who hasn't bothered with an AC since Brotherhood (and hated 1), I am very excited about what ive seen/heard about this game.

 

[zkylon]

Congratulations on your total inability to understand the difference between historical fiction and rabid patriotism.



Of course he didn't read it. If he had, he wouldn't have said something as astronomically stupid as he had. Evidently, interest in a pivotal part of American history is veiled patriotism.

Not to defend the guy since he obviously didn't read the whole thing, but I can see how the big american flag in the GI cover can be mistaken for rabid patriotism.

What do you guys think of the screens so far?

I like that everything seems to pop. I also think the environments are beautiful. The snow looks especially great.

I was pretty bitter about the setting but the screens eased me up quite a bit. Some of the screens look beautiful and I'm sure the game will be fine but feels like a waste to spend 30% of the game looking at mountains and plains. The AC games should be 100% city-based.

 

[Discotheque]

I bought Brotherhood but I didn't get past a couple hours. Felt burnt out after playing (and loving) 2.

Definitely on this day one, and I'll skip the 4 spin-offs after it. Hopefully this provides a decent end.

Daniel Day Lewis for Connor VA! Last of the Mohicans vibes here.

 

[StarEye]

All the facts I know from that period in American history, is what I learnt from playing Sid Meier's Colonization on the Amiga.

This game can only add to that knowledge.

 

[twobear]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

 

[Xater]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I completely agree with you. The imagery is blatant, but I am also an "outsider". I really hope it's just the marketing.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

It's a factor of the times; the imagery is there, as well as the implication that this guy is fighting for freedom of the colonies. America as a grand concept was young and fresh then, hardly as corrupted as years would add and prove. Just like the first game was latent with images of the cross.

 

[Acheteedo]

This strong and incredibly fresh entry to the series bodes really well for the future of assassins creed. I'm cool with the annual abuse now, as long as we get a refresh every three years... knock yourselves out, Ubi.

 

[Son1x]

I really like the setting, I just hope the game is fun to play too.

 

[Kandrick]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I agree with this.

Also, i have not picked up Revelations yet due to serie fatigue. Maybe Assassin's Creed 3 will turn out to be an amazing game, but so far, i am not hyped at all. The setting alone turns me off completely.

 

[EGM1966]

They lost my interest with Brotherhood and Revelations, but this does grab my curiosity bump. Will watch for more detail but if this delivers I guess I'll give it a whirl.

I will then skip the redundant follow on titles that add nothing but gameplay polish and milk the franchise assuming Ubi can't resist shoving AC3.1 and AC3.2 out the door following this title.

 

[NinjaFridge]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

To be fair, the eagle imagery is seen throughout the series but i do think you have a point. Still early days though, so as time goes one things might change.

They lost my interest with Brotherhood and Revelations, but this does grab my curiosity bump. Will watch for more detail but if this delivers I guess I'll give it a whirl.

I will then skip the redundant follow on titles that add nothing but gameplay polish and milk the franchise assuming Ubi can't resist shoving AC3.1 and AC3.2 out the door following this title.

You say gameplay polish as though its a bad thing. Brotherhood was a genuinely good game. The gameplay is solid and it adds a lot to the story, and since you can get it so cheap there's no real reason not to get it now. Revelations however was very tiring.

BTW, did this thread get shorter?

 

[Amagon]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I didn't see anything mentioned about this..

Scored this baby tonight at Best Buy! Metal case, all you have to do is plunk down 5 bucks and tax.

Just like the RE4 case.. Doesn't mention anything important on the paper that was stuck on the back of the box. They are using the same case for the PS3 and the 360 versions of the game.

Off to Best Buy this morning now. Super hype for this game. Those details about ACIII sounds so unreal but its not!



^_^

 

[twobear]

To be fair, the eagle imagery is seen throughout the series but i do think you have a point. Still early days though, so as time goes one things might change.

eagle symbol is a good point, hadn't picked that up

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

Called it. Sadly, the previous thread was locked, so I can't quote myself. Dusty wasted barren field, mountains, trees/forests and Indian residences. God. Of course this setting is down right embarrassing, however as I said before I just hope Ubi goes full out Monty Python with this train wreck and they make most if not all of the founding fathers Templar controlled puppets.

I'm also extremely disappointed they chose to go with a massive map this time. They should have kept it focused and condensed. Some of the worst parts of the AC games where AC1s boring wilderness, and that seeped into AC2 slightly with a wide open San Gimignano.

If I'm alive I can already see the commercials for this with the "Assassin" running with the American Flag, jumping through the air, slow mo style.

Its almost a sick parody now, but don't stop Ubi. I want all out madness from this one.

 

[EGM1966]

You say gameplay polish as though its a bad thing. Brotherhood was a genuinely good game. The gameplay is solid and it adds a lot to the story, and since you can get it so cheap there's no real reason not to get it now. Revelations however was very tiring.

BTW, did this thread get shorter?

Polish is certainly not a bad thing - quite the opposite as I'm sure you would agree - but I would like to see it applied to genuine continuation of the franchise, not quick cash it titles that barely extend the narrative at all.

Brotherhood and to a lesser extent Revelations (mainly due to the failed mechanims like the tower defense) were both good games but they were also shameless excersices in milking the franchise while experimenting with the gameplay - I just want them to combine the experimentation with genuine progression of the franchise.

I was actually quite enjoying the mad 2012 plot unfolding through AC1 and AC2 until they spoiled the narrative by milking it. It is quite clear - in narrative terms - that at the end of AC2 Ezio's part in the saga is finished, and so is Subject 16's really. The ball is left firmly in Desmond's court and leaves the narrative poised to move forward in time and to conclude the current narrative arc. The next two titles in terms of the true narrative are essentially redundant - classic fleshing out of subplots that was completely unecessary.

I guess my view is if you're going to stick a narrative in your games then stick to your narrative. To me what Ubi did was like releasing the first two Lord of the Rings films then deciding to add in a couple of extension movies to milk the fanbase before having to wrap it all up in the proper third.

 

[NinjaFridge]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I didn't see anything mentioned about this..

Scored this baby tonight at Best Buy! Metal case, all you have to do is plunk down 5 bucks and tax.

Just like the RE4 case.. Doesn't mention anything important on the paper that was stuck on the back of the box. They are using the same case for the PS3 and the 360 versions of the game.

I want this, anyone know if its available in the UK?

 

[BeesEight]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

More excellent points.

I agree as well. It's a tentative hesitation because the little marketing we have so far is so blatant. The original game did feature a sort of 'defend our land from invaders' plotline which never got really heavy handed or overly ridiculous at any point (that I remember). That could have been Ubisoft's gentle treading or due to them not really knowing that period. Who knows?

Though I haven't played the others, I don't think there has been any example of extreme patriotism in the series which should lend the developers the benefit of the doubt. Course, given how much closer they are to this material and the prevalence for media covering these aspects of history to often descend into nation flag waving does make me a little worried.

We'll see. I still have to play Assassin's Creed II. There's no way I'm playing the expansions.

 

[Spiffy_1st]

We'll see. I still have to play Assassin's Creed II. There's no way I'm playing the expansions.

Brotherhood was better than II, don't ignore it just because it's so similar to II. It's probably insanely cheap now anyway.

 

[BeesEight]

Brotherhood was better than II, don't ignore it just because it's so similar to II. It's probably insanely cheap now anyway.

I'm mostly ignoring them as a misguided attempt to protest Ubisoft's horrendous DRM. Assassin's Creed II gets a pass since I got the game for free. Also, I'm poor.

I was really interested in Brotherhood for the multiplayer but I doubt that'll have much life to it at this point.

Speaking of which - I'm aware they're not revealing anything about the multiplayer yet but have they confirmed that there will be some in 3?

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

Brotherhood was better than II, don't ignore it just because it's so similar to II. It's probably insanely cheap now anyway.

No it wasn't. Brotherhood was a fantastic game, but no way better than II. There were certain parts of Brotherhood that seriously dragged down the overall quality of the product, there were positive points, others were nebulous.

Not to mention Rome never met the brilliance of Florence, Forli or especially Venice. Great game, just didn't have that "magical" feeling II did.

 

[Stahsky]

I dunno, I thought Brotherhood was better than II, but I loved both.

 

[Petrichor]

I dunno, I thought Brotherhood was better than II, but I loved both.

Both are comparable quality-wise. I just thought the pacing was a little off in brotherhood compared to ACII. Also, AC2 has venice. VENICE!

 

[AngryMoth]

I'm surprised to hear that they're almost content complete. Have they been working on this since the end of AC2 then? It'll be interesting to see how the new engine effects the modern day stuff seen as how everyone assumes Desmond will eventually get his own game, since those sections have been nowhere near strong enough to justify such a thing in previous iterations.

 

[ReaperXL7]

If Ubi can pull this game off, it can easily be the best game in the series, and personally thats saying something conisdering i've been a fan from the beginning.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what they have planned, and how they will deal with some of the more....questionable aspects of this time period. Does anyone know exactly what kind of information we are supposed to get for this on monday? Is it just a CGI trailer, or is there more to it?

I'm guessing that GI will have their month long segment style media releases as they have been doing for other cover games. If the hunting, and wilderness style gameplay turns out as good as Red dead, then adds all of the great stuff from the AC games combined with the setting, this will be a game to get lost in for sure.

Bring on October.

I'm surprised to hear that they're almost content complete. Have they been working on this since the end of AC2 then? It'll be interesting to see how the new engine effects the modern day stuff seen as how everyone assumes Desmond will eventually get his own game, since those sections have been nowhere near strong enough to justify such a thing in previous iterations.

pretty sure it's been confirmed that they have been working on this for atleast three years now. So they have probably sunk alot of time and resources into this.

 

[ComputerMKII]

I still think Rockstar are the best in terms of animation and polish/attention to detail in general (I'm thinking about Red Dead Redemption, specifically).

Do you think Ubisoft is actually capable of doing something similar if not better, based on what has been revealed so far?

 

[shadyspace]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I'm American and I'm eating this shit up. Of course, we tend towards patriotism a lot more than you British.

 

[PrinceOfApathy]

I'm surprised ...

I'm surprised people think this game will actually be good. I am 95% sure this game will suffer from AC1 syndrome and be a total fecal stain, but its not like I have a choice either way. I'm a slave to this series, my official bail out point will be the future Desmond game, unless we can of course pull a direct hit on Congress and whatever fictional President Ubi can invent for that time, then maybe I'd come back.

 

[state-of-the-art]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I think it is only marketing, but I agree that if the game does take a jingoistic approach it'd totally ruin the experience. I'm stoked though.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Don't forget this is being made primarily by French Canadians with Asian support teams, and is an international best seller, not only big in the US. I don't know if a single American is touching its development. That alone should somewhat alleviate concerns of AMURRRCA FUCK YEAH.

 

[NinjaFridge]

I'm surprised people think this game will actually be good. I am 95% sure this game will suffer from AC1 syndrome and be a total fecal stain, but its not like I have a choice either way. I'm a slave to this series, my official bail out point will be the future Desmond game, unless we can of course pull a direct hit on Congress and whatever fictional President Ubi can invent for that time, then maybe I'd come back.

Yeah its totally reasonable to assume they'll forget the complaints from AC1, the praise they received with AC2 and everything they've learned so far and we'll end up with AC1 in a new skin. Your Shtick is getting old, you gotta change it up.

 

[Htown]

Wow, you can set AC in any place or time period, but set it in America and people get nervous, apparently.

I feel like the only setting that would have gotten people saltier would have been to set it in Africa.

Don't be scared, guys. It's going to be okay.

 

[PixyJunket]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

I think seeing some patriotic imagery is refreshing given the climate of white guilt and how obnoxious internet liberals have been over the last few years.

Plus, it's Assassin's Creed. Every country, religion and organization within the game's mythos are painted with varying shades of gray. You can pretty much count on America and the founding fathers being part of or being used by the templars. In fact, that's pretty much already been alluded to in the Subject 16 puzzles.

 

[Impeccable]

I think seeing some patriotic imagery is refreshing given the climate of white guilt and how obnoxious internet liberals have been over the last few years.

This thread is fantastic.

 

[Iksenpets]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I'm American, so maybe I'm just rationalizing, but it seems like the American imagery is more necessary to establish setting than it has been in previous games. Italy had no sense of nationhood at the time to use as a motif, but there the art and the architecture stood in to define your place. Colonial New York, on the other hand, could be any mid-sized town of the period, and the tricorner hats and powdered wigs could just as easily be putting you in 18th century France or Austria as they could be the colonies. The Native American imagery would be more associated in people's minds with the 19th century American West. Nothing could convey when and where you are quite so quickly as that big, gaudy Betsy Ross flag.

Also, keep in mind the game is largely developed by Québécois. Other than the European French, I don't think there's anyone less likely to want to let American's indulge in some red meat patriotism.

 

[Petrichor]

I can't imagine either brits OR americans will be "proud" playing AC3 considering the fact that the main character grows up in a native american tribe. If anything, both sides will be portrayed as villainous.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

I'm a bit wary of posting this because I don't want to poke a hornet's nest but I am interested and I think something constructive can be said so here goes.

The reason that I, at least (I can't speak for anyone else/trolls), am worried about this being descending into some kind of patriotism-fest is not simply because it's set during the War of Independence and we regard all Americans as drooling idiots, but rather because almost all of the media thus far released for the game is festooned in American patriotic imagery:

- The cover shows our protagonist, replete with eagle symbols on clothing, about to strike down a redcoat while the Betsy Ross flag flaps in the background.

- Almost all of the concept art shows a similar thing, moody protagonist posing in front of flapping Betsy Ross flag.

- And one of the first screens from the game features an almost perfect reproduction of a scene from a film called The Patriot.

Now, based firstly on the fact that the series has never historically 'taken sides', and the quotes in the OP, I think there's some good reason to think that it's just a media/marketing angle.

But my question is: when US people see the cover, do they not see all the patriotic motifs? I'm somewhat confused by that because to an outsider (or at least myself) they're so blatant. A few people in the thread have said 'well they have to show that it's set during the period', but there are other ways they could have done that, e.g. by showing historical characters, like other games in the series. For that matter, they didn't cover the media for the other games in patriotic images of the various countries/time periods that the other characters were from. Do people think it's just a coincidence that they've decided to festoon the media for the game so far in a series of patriotic images?

From my perspective, if they'd set the game in the UK and the game cover had a flapping union flag, the royal coat of arms and...something else distinctively tied with British patriotism (which I can't think of off the top of my head because so few things scream 'rule britannia' to me), it would be really incongruous and borderline absurd. So I'm interested to get different perspectives on this.

I have to say, I kind of have to agree with this perspective.
I'm actually excited about the setting, it's the tone of the material we've seen so far that feels overboard.

 

[ReaperXL7]

I can't imagine either brits OR americans will be "proud" playing AC3 considering the fact that the main character grows up in a native american tribe. If anything, both sides will be portrayed as villainous.

well both groups were techinally invaders, so i'm pretty much ok with that.

Going to have to be interesting to see some of the older people in my families take on this game when it's released.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

I dont like the climbing trees and mountains apect, its like theyve thrown away all the interesting premise of climbing famous architecture from AC2 and Brotherhood (and to a lesser extent revelations), that I loved so much.
Thats why climbing things in AC1 was fucking boring, why Revelations, having less famous buildings to climb make the setting worse, and why I dont like the premise of AC3.

Other than that I like the rest of the details, like the big battles setting, but I think it was an error making an assassin creed game in this american era. If they wanted to use New York so much, 1890-1940 would have been MUCH better, as it was impressive and yet lots of impressive things about that New York have already dissapeared.

 

[ReaperXL7]

I dont like the climbing trees and mountains apect, its like theyve thrown away all the interesting premise of climbing famous architecture from AC2 and Brotherhood (and to a lesser extent revelations), that I loved so much.
Thats why climbing things in AC1 was fucking boring, why Revelations, having less famous buildings to climb make the setting worse, and why I dont like the premise of AC3.

Other than that I like the rest of the details, like the big battles setting, but I think it was an error making an assassin creed game in this american era. If they wanted to use New York so much, 1890-1940 would have been MUCH better, as it was impressive and yet lots of impressive things about that New York have already dissapeared.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure why people seem so resistant to the natural world, rather than the artifical man made. To me the idea of stalking soldiers in the trees, using the forests, and snow, tracking, and hunting, all sound awesome to me.

I'm alittle biased in that i'm excited to see how a forgein dev will view the the aspects of my Ancestors from the time, but I think it's quite a nice change of pace from all the big city stuff from the previous games.

Besides, when everyone complained about the boring aspects of the first AC Ubi listened and reacted. They fixed all of those issues in the second game, I don't think they would do this if they did not have some ideas to keep it fresh and interesting. I think they added effects of weather, changing seasons, and all of the purposed dynamic effects could really add alot to the Creed world.

 

[PixyJunket]

They've made four games involving scaling giant, historical setting buildings.

I certainly don't mind a little change up at this point.

 

[Loxley]

I'm American, so maybe I'm just rationalizing, but it seems like the American imagery is more necessary to establish setting than it has been in previous games. Italy had no sense of nationhood at the time to use as a motif, but there the art and the architecture stood in to define your place. Colonial New York, on the other hand, could be any mid-sized town of the period, and the tricorner hats and powdered wigs could just as easily be putting you in 18th century France or Austria as they could be the colonies. The Native American imagery would be more associated in people's minds with the 19th century American West. Nothing could convey when and where you are quite so quickly as that big, gaudy Betsy Ross flag.

Also, keep in mind the game is largely developed by Québécois. Other than the European French, I don't think there's anyone less likely to want to let American's indulge in some red meat patriotism.

Exactly. I think we're over-examining the nothing we've seen of the game so far. There are fewer iconic images of the American Revolution than the Betsy Ross colonial flag, and Ubi clearly wants people to know from the get-go what setting and mood the game is going to have. So when you have a Native American protagonist raising a Tomahawk over the head of a 'dern Redcoat with the Betsy Ross flag billowing dramatically in the wind...there's no question at all what this game is about.

I think it's a bit strange (but not surprising) that people will likely associate their own modern preconceived notions about American patriotism and "freedom" to a game where both of those things are actually warranted. Especially if the protagonist is part Native American, who would have plenty of reasons to hate the colonists as well as the British.

 

[Vermillion]

Fuck YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

Day made.

 

[Htown]

I have to say, I kind of have to agree with this perspective.
I'm actually excited about the setting, it's the tone of the material we've seen so far that feels overboard.

Showing a flag = tone going overboard.

Good god you people need to lighten up.