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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Jangocube

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If you need help translating, ask BJB.

Whelp, I'll be ok.

But you know, GAF and its many e-detectives would just rather label you as a racist, bigot or Zimmerman sympathizer. It's quite amusing actually.

If you don't follow the hivemind when it comes to race discussions, they tend to do that. Then they make weird claims and they try to find one sentence to quote you on and pull it completely out of context. It's fun times. I'm only talking about the people that are openly mocking you btw. Not that I've read everything you wrote in this thread though...
 

dondarm

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I thought I did. Guessing it got overshadowed?

I mean - how dare someone have the audacity to post pictures of him and buddies talking about drugs and bus driver beatings. Then try to articulate that photos of that nature are only going to hurt his case moving forward for potential jurors.

But you know, GAF and its many e-detectives would just rather label you as a racist, bigot or Zimmerman sympathizer. It's quite amusing actually.
If find it amusing that first you try everything you can to find suspicious material about Martin and then you call out the GAF-detectives.
 

Onemic

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Actually they wouldn't. Sure it will likely get thrown out in court, but a smear campaign (and news leaks) are used for public perception and potential jurors.

Painting him as a drug using ( maybe dealing) kid who was suspended from school for said drugs only aides Zimmerman's fleeting support.



I figured you spent most of your time fixated on shutting down sports threads. My bad.

Why are you trying to sidestep the question? Answer it.
 
Actually they wouldn't. Sure it will likely get thrown out in court, but a smear campaign (and news leaks) are used for public perception and potential jurors.

Painting him as a drug using ( maybe dealing) kid who was suspended from school for said drugs only aides Zimmerman's fleeting support.

Using drugs has nothing to do with the situation. Nothing. Only time it could be relevant is if he was actually dealing drugs before he was shot and even in that instance the shooting would be uncalled for.

Besides you can't even bring up previous convictions unless its relevant. And as you said before he doesn't even have a record.

Trayvon smoking doesn't make Zimmerman's case any better.
 

commedieu

Banned
Yeah man I dug really deep to find a yahoo article posted today. Took me all morning.

hahah.. now onto sarcasm... whats next.. lemme find my Lost My Weak Ass Pointless Argument guidebook..

ah...

144.5c,

Says you're supposed to pretend that you didn't care anyway. Something about having better things to do anyway...
 

bjb

Banned
Using drugs has nothing to do with the situation. Nothing. Only time it could be relevant is if he was actually dealing drugs before he was shot and even in that instance the shooting would be uncalled for.

Besides you can't even bring up previous convictions unless its relevant. And as you said before he doesn't have a record.

Trayvon smoking doesn't make Zimmerman's case any better.

Right, but it may become more damaging depending on what information comes out moving forward.

Either way I think the smear campaign only offers to aide Zimmerman's side of the story.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
If I'm smoking crack on the corner, you still can't stalk and shoot me.

Not even if I'm black.
 

Onemic

Member
Right, but it may become more damaging depending on what information comes out moving forward.

Either way I think the smear campaign only offers to aide Zimmerman's side of the story.

Like how he has that juvenile record amirite?
 
Right, but it may become more damaging depending on what information comes out moving forward.

Either way I think the smear campaign only offers to aide Zimmerman's side of the story.

What judge in their right mind would really have a smear campaign affect their decision? And a poor one at that? It's not relevant.
 
This post talks about the lie and gives links. BJB totally lied, not even kidding.
Unfuckingbelievable. Bigots and assholes are really coming out of the woodwork for this one. You'd think they'd pick a more favorable case to defend, although I suppose they apparently do not get the human concept of shame.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
I don't think bjb lied. I think he was just so excited at the prospect of some real dirt on Martin that he misread the article. I suppose that makes his subsequent explanation a lie, though.
 

bjb

Banned
What judge in their right mind would really have a smear campaign affect their decision? And a poor one at that?

I've mentioned multiple times about it affecting his (Trayvon Martin's) public perception. And that of potential jurors.

Particularly with the current level of outrage and seeming racial divide.

Edit: Also the yahoo article which I linked (and read), simply didn't include the word "not". Which of course I edited.

It was to show what may or may not be presented in court.

I guess GAF's lynch mob refuses to see that and would rather just be outraged I posted pictures of him and buddies doing stupid shit.
 

verbum

Member
A good article on how this story grew in the national attention and perhaps why it has struck such a nerve:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/business/media/for-martins-case-a-long-route-to-national-attention.html?ref=us


“On this story, there is a certain degree of understanding that comes from minorities, and particularly African-Americans, just because we’ve lived it,” said Don Lemon, a CNN weekend anchor who has covered the case extensively for the last two weekends. He recalled that in a planning meeting for his program, one of his producers, a black mother of two teenage boys, was “almost in tears” as she said, “We’ve got to do something on this story.”

As the case was catapulted onto the national agenda and calls for Mr. Zimmerman’s arrest increased, prominent black journalists and commentators wrote about it in highly personal terms. “This is the fear that seizes me whenever my boys are out in the world: that a man with a gun and an itchy finger will find them ‘suspicious,’ ” Charles M. Blow of The New York Times wrote on March 17.

A day later, Jonathan Capehart of The Washington Post wrote of the rules he was taught as a teenager: “Don’t run in public,” “Don’t run while carrying anything in your hands,” “Don’t talk back to the police.”

“One of the burdens of being a black male,” he wrote
 
I've mentioned multiple times about it affecting his (Trayvon Martin's) public perception. And that of potential jurors.

Particularly with the current level of outrage and seeming racial divide.

Edit: Also the yahoo article which I linked (and read), simply didn't include the word "not". Which of course I edited.

It was to show what may or may not be presented in court.

I guess GAF's lynch mob refuses to see that and would rather just be outraged I posted pictures of him and buddies doing stupid shit.

Public perception is not equivalent to proper justice. And most people are smart enough to see that him smoking means next to nothing in this case. As for potential jurors, I'm honestly not sure, but again I'm just hoping they will be smart enough to not let this affect their decision. But lawyers simply cannot bring this as evidence and expect to be taken seriously.

And bad choice of words.
 

commedieu

Banned
I've mentioned multiple times about it affecting his (Trayvon Martin's) public perception. And that of potential jurors.

Particularly with the current level of outrage and seeming racial divide.

lol @ fake racial divide.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/25/santorum-zimmerman-has-a-very-sick-mind-motive-a-malicious-one/

You can't stalk & shoot PEOPLE. Your campaign to educate everyone about Trayvons public perception is just a heaping pile of nonsense. Especially when you translate the netebonics and personally---question 17 year olds pot smoking activity(See Spicoli) and alleged bus driving incident. You're investing into twitter & facebook comments over the reality of the situation that everyone can see. As mentioned before, none of it has to do with anything.

And you're shocked when people call you out on it, then claim you're getting lumped into the Zimmerman defense force/bigot/racist.

The only problem is that your view just happens to be shared with bigots & racists over @ stormfront.org...

Its not that hard to draw the lines here. Its not a case of me persecuting you, you are doing this to yourself.

You saying "Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting. How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well" isn't just merely posting images.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
I guess GAF's lynch mob refuses to see that and would rather just be outraged I posted pictures of him and buddies doing stupid shit.

I don't know if that... that's not ironic, right? Is it? In a thread largely about race? I'm just saying because, like, historically, you know.

EDIT: High Five Mighty.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
There is no real racial divide. Most people of all races think Zimmerman's actions and story are very suspicious. Even Republican candidates think this.
 

bjb

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Public perception is not equivalent to proper justice
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Yep I agree. Otherwise Casey Anthony would be in a jail cell right now.

As for potential jurors, I'm honestly not sure, but again I'm just hoping they will be smart enough to not let this affect their decision. But lawyers simply cannot bring this as evidence and expect to be taken seriously.

As a former juror I think it can potentially have a significant impact. Key word potentially.

At the very least, I imagine the lawyers for Zimmeran would be trying to leak as much negative news about Trayvon Martin into the public as possible.
 

Onemic

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I've mentioned multiple times about it affecting his (Trayvon Martin's) public perception. And that of potential jurors.

Particularly with the current level of outrage and seeming racial divide.

Edit: Also the yahoo article which I linked (and read), simply didn't include the word "not". Which of course I edited.

It was to show what may or may not be presented in court.

I guess GAF's lynch mob refuses to see that and would rather just be outraged I posted pictures of him and buddies doing stupid shit.

yahoo article said:
Also Monday, the state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record.

Lolwut
 

Korey

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Most teenagers post about drugs and beating up bus drivers? Interesting.

How about their friends saying they knew he beat up Zimmerman - which is what eye witnesses are saying as well:

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I really hope you're joking.
 

bjb

Banned
lol @ fake racial divide.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/25/santorum-zimmerman-has-a-very-sick-mind-motive-a-malicious-one/

You can't stalk & shoot PEOPLE. Your campaign to educate everyone about Trayvons public perception is just a heaping pile of nonsense. Especially when you translate the netebonics and personally---question 17 year olds pot smoking activity(See Spicoli) and alleged bus driving incident. You're investing into twitter & facebook comments over the reality of the situation that everyone can see. As mentioned before, none of it has to do with anything.

And you're shocked when people call you out on it, then claim you're getting lumped into the Zimmerman defense force/bigot/racist.

The only problem is that your view just happens to be shared with bigots & racists over @ stormfront.org...

Its not that hard to draw the lines here. Its not a case of me persecuting you, you are doing this to yourself.

I actually have the misfortune of listening to conservative talk radio at work - and all morning there were countless callers coming to Zimmerman's defense in light of recent developments.

To say there's not a racial divide in this country, regardless of whether it's this issue or not, is foolish.
 

Onemic

Member
Wow, really? Is hivemind or pitch fork mentality a more acceptable term? Jesus Christ :lol



Meaning I forgot to include the word "not" in my post?

You just said the yahoo article didn't include the word 'not' when talking about him having a juveline record, causing you to edit it later when you found out it wasn't true. When in fact the yahoo article does not have such an error as evidenced by the line that I quoted where you said this supposed mistake was. The quoted text is right there for you to read.
 
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Yep I agree. Otherwise Casey Anthony would be in a jail cell right now.

As a former juror I think it can potentially have a significant impact. Key word potentially.

At the very least, I imagine the lawyers for Zimmeran would be trying to leak as much negative news about Trayvon Martin into the public as possible.
I just think that the potential is so low it might as well not be mentioned. Only bigots would believe smoking pot and being shot are relative.

Wow, really? Is hivemind or pitch fork mentality a more acceptable term? Jesus Christ :lol
You really think lynch mob is on the same level as hivemind and pitchfork mentality? Especially in such a racially charged thread? Come on now.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
Wow, really? Is hivemind or pitch fork mentality a more acceptable term? Jesus Christ :lol



Meaning I forgot to include the word "not" in my post?
You didn't forget to include"not", it wouldn't have went against the argument you were making.
 

commedieu

Banned
I actually have the misfortune of listening to conservative talk radio at work - and all morning there were countless callers coming to Zimmerman's defense in light of recent developments.

To say there's not a racial divide in this country, regardless of whether it's this issue or not, is foolish.

Like I said, and posted Mr.Santorum condemning Zimmermans actions, its not a case of NAACP vs ALL... The divide is those who are seeing what is happening, and those on stormfront.org...

and did the first part of my post just load up for you...? As you're not addressing the rest of it. I know you have a few reading issues n all... ;)
 

bjb

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You just said the yahoo article didn't include the word 'not' when talking about him having a juveline record, causing you to edit it later when you found out it wasn't true. When in fact the yahoo article does not have such an error as evidenced by the line that I quoted where you said this supposed mistake was. The quoted text is right there for you to read.

My post:

bjb said:
The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he has a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-lin...170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

My edited post:

bjb said:
The fact you have eye witnesses saying he was the aggressor, that he was suspended from school for drugs, and that he does not a juvenile record (http://news.yahoo.com/family-pot-lin...170335350.html) will all be presented in court in some fashion.

Clearly by forgetting the word (and then editing it in) to provide court context - I am a radical racist.
 

Buzzati

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Does this kid have a record of violence? I can't imagine someone who has never been in a fight can suddenly go all Manny Pacquiao on someone that looks to be over twice his size. According to the wiki - he's 140 lbs. Does anyone really believe he could muscle over this guy?
 
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