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[DY_nasty]

My main point is that they are specifically dudes from Africa who are hired by shops (or start up their own shops--I don't know), to give the place some kind of authentic "American hip-hop" feel. It's kind of ridiculous and a bit offensive as an American. I'm not even saying they are bad people or deserving of hate. They're just doing a job.

So... let me get this straight, you're labeling an entire people over some guys hired from an obviously poor background/environment to perpetuate a stereotype in order to attract customers? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Blackace]

Not sure if serious...

he is serious.. But they have the best clothes in Harajuku

 

[Blackace]

So... let me get this straight, you're labeling an entire people over some guys hired from an obviously poor background/environment to perpetuate a stereotype in order to attract customers? Is that what you're saying?

Funny that you say that.. because I was put on to the fact that most Africans in Asia (China and Japan especially) are from poorer backgrounds.. if you have money in Africa you don't come here you go to Europe..

 

[DY_nasty]

Funny that you say that.. because I was put on to the fact that most Africans in Asia (China and Japan especially) are from poorer backgrounds.. if you have money in Africa you don't come here you go to Europe..

Yeah, I was hearing from my people at the Marine base in Japan that ain't all Blasian babies and rainbows like I had dreamed. My friends in Germany still haven't come down yet though.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

So... let me get this straight, you're labeling an entire people over some guys hired from an obviously poor background/environment to perpetuate a stereotype in order to attract customers? Is that what you're saying?

Don't jump to conclusions. I'm commenting that, from my experience in Japan, I heard the most negative stuff from Japanese people about "those Africans" in the various districts of Tokyo. I'm not labeling anyone as anything--like I said, those dudes are just trying to get by.

But they hate on American blacks more than anyone else in Japan

I'm sure you've got a ton of stories. The only time I've ever heard specifically targeted racism against blacks over there was about those African dudes. I just never encountered anyone who specifically claimed to dislike American blacks, but I guess plain old "kokujin" may be implying American for a lot of people over there.

 

[Blackace]

Yeah, I was hearing from my people at the Marine base in Japan that ain't all Blasian babies and rainbows like I had dreamed. My friends in Germany still haven't come down yet though.

There are a few, but most of them get up out of here..

 

[Blackace]

Don't jump to conclusions. I'm commenting that, from my experience in Japan, I heard the most negative stuff from Japanese people about "those Africans" in the various districts of Tokyo. I'm not labeling anyone as anything--like I said, those dudes are just trying to get by.

The funny thing is they tell everyone they are American... so much that I have been doubted that I am actually American and I am light brown

 

[Deleted member 17706]

The funny thing is they tell everyone they are American... so much that I have been doubted that I am actually American and I am light brown

You've been there so long that you're probably losing your aura of American-ness.

 

[KillGore]

why just black people? what about us mexicans? we take yer jerbs and shit.

As a hispanic, I know that a lot of us hate mexicans, but mainly because of ignorant americans. Now the spanish language is synonymous with mexicans and some even call it the mexican language. The instant I say something in spanish (online) I always get "shut the fuck up, you beaner" or "stop speaking mexican, yo". I know it's not your fault and I don't dislike mexicans but it truly does bother me

Another reason why some dislike you guys is because some of you believe that Mexicans is the superior hispanic country, mainly because it's the biggest, kinda like how some americans believe they are the best/superior country in the world.

 

[Blackace]

I'm sure you've got a ton of stories. The only time I've ever heard specifically targeted racism against blacks over there was about those African dudes. I just never encountered anyone who specifically claimed to dislike American blacks, but I guess plain old "kokujin" may be implying American for a lot of people over there.

With Japanese it is mostly gaijin vs ninhonjin... have to respect them for that. lol

I was talking about the treatment I have gotten from my African brothers.. its not all bad but I have had some moments.. I hear it is because I am mixed tho..

 

[Blackace]

You've been there so long that you're probably losing it!

my mojo?

 

[Steelrain]

The funny thing is they tell everyone they are American... so much that I have been doubted that I am actually American and I am light brown

Lol they always tell me they're from New York.

I just look at them like "C'mon Son". Then they admit to being from Nigeria or whatever.

 

[Blackace]

Lol they always tell me they're from New York.

I just look at them like "C'mon Son". Then they admit to being from Nigeria or whatever.

My business partner from BK really gets them.. I get the guys that claim LA

 

[DY_nasty]

Don't jump to conclusions. I'm commenting that, from my experience in Japan, I heard the most negative stuff from Japanese people about "those Africans" in the various districts of Tokyo. I'm not labeling anyone as anything--like I said, those dudes are just trying to get by.

I'm not even jumping to conclusions. But what else are you talking about?

This is just classic "I saw X doing Y... I'm not saying alllll of X does Y. I'm just throw it out there! :3" type stuff.

 

[Laughing Banana]

That's it, confirmation Half Life 3 is coming!!!!!!!!! All rejoice

The Freeman approves

Holy shit why did I type Gordon Freeman instead of Morgan Freeman? Hahahahah.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm not even jumping to conclusions. But what else are you talking about?

This is just classic "I saw X doing Y... I'm not saying alllll of X does Y. I'm just throw it out there! :3" type stuff.

That's not what I even did, though.

You asked how one can "be a black gangster in Japan". I provided an example.

edit: to clarify, I associate full hip-hop garb and "talking hard" with acting like a gangster. I'm not saying that people are literally gang banging over in Japan.

 

[royalan]

That's not what I even did, though.

You asked how one can "be a black gangster in Japan". I provided an example.

I'm not sure how they're being very gangstery, though...

I looked at the video, and all I saw were two black men with strong accents that were DEFINITELY not American...

 

[DY_nasty]

That's not what I even did, though.

You asked how one can "be a black gangster in Japan". I provided an example.

And your first reference is an african hired to work outside a shop to attract customers like a sideshow?

The entire context of the last bit of the previous page was gangs across different regions.

I'll just say I misread everything and lol then to save everyone the continued bs

 

[Deleted member 17706]

And your first reference is an african hired to work outside a shop to attract customers like a sideshow?

The entire context of the last bit of the previous page was gangs across different regions.

I'll just say I misread everything and lol then to save everyone the continued bs

I totally missed that. I just hit "Last Page", saw Blackace's post and responded.

Definitely a lesson to me on how important context can be...

 

[DY_nasty]

"lol"

 

[60_gig_PS3]

That was my impression in Tokyo whites stand out just as much as blacks so theres no singling out. Blacks dont get any special hate, Every foreigner in the same boat.

 

[Karsticles]

That was my impression in Tokyo whites stand out just as much as blacks so theres no singling out. Blacks dont get any special hate, Every foreigner in the same boat.

All of my knowledge about how Japan thinks about black people comes from Excel Saga. Clearly there could be no more objective source of knowledge.

 

[CrushDance]

Tell the truth; the real reason for the fear of anything Black, is the guilt of your ancestors and what they did to us, no matter what the generation. The fear of retribution, the notion that all Black people hate White people, and given the chance, they will act upon that hatred towards any random White person they see. That's why you fear Black people approaching you in so called "gangsta dress", but don't fear White kids dressed in a similar fashion. This mindset is passed on consciously and subconsciously for generations.

...This is wrong on too many levels. Moreso because you're referring to me.

Uh, Crush, I think you're showing more of your own insecurities or fears of black people than anyone on this thread.

As a black male, I've experienced both sides of the situation.

I'm light skinned, which some may view as being "safe" black. And yet that hasn't stopped me from being racially profiled and discriminated by those that simply don't care much for any people of color.

Also, you're supposed scenario of how people react when they see a black man dressed "plainly," and dressed, er "not so 'plainly'?"

Here's what I do in both scenarios:

Make eye contact, smile, say "Hello," or "What's up?" or "Hey."

Do you know what they do?

Smile back, say "Hello," "What's up," or "Hey." And then I go on my way.

I mean, WHAT is there to be afraid of? What do you think is going to happen? Why do you think it is going to happen, and why do you feel that each black person you meet is going to somehow harass or harm you? Based on how they dress? How they walk? Talk?

Do you ever think that perhaps approaching someone with that type of suspicion, fear, and apprehension will not inform how people will react to YOU?

Do you think it feels good, and makes black men feel great to have people make assumptions about them just by the way they dress?

Wouldn't that make YOU angry? Maybe just a little insecure and uncomfortable? As a black man, you should totally understand how other people's constant, and almost unceasing negative perceptions of us have caused us to be just a little bit annoyed (with many more than just a bit annoyed, probably in direct proportion to the level of discrimination they receive on a regular basis)?

Blacks are perceived as being violent thugs and gangsters. Many people take that perception with them when they encounter a black person, either for the first time, or when that black person is a stranger.
.

I'm black. That's besides the point though. I agree that carrying prejudices about people without even knowing them first is wrong. Yet like you yourself just said, black people are perceived as thugs. Whatever it's true, fair or not is not the issue. The issue is, what is being done to combat that image? The answer is not one that I am pleased with.

I act the same to both.

I'm not wary of either. Because I'm a grown mothafuckin man. You know what I do to both? I make eye contact like a fucking man to both and give them the universal sign of mutual respect: the head nod. Shirt & tie, After 5, Jeans and tee, saggin' khaki's & wife beater, shorts and jordans. Head nod to all. Like a man.

If you find yourself feeling any kind of other way as a black man around other black men...well...I believe you said you're not from the US, right? So perhaps it's all still foreign to you.

This is what I mean by the separation of Black Americans and Black Africans. "You guys", no offense intended; don't see it the way we do, and we don't see it the way you do. I suppose this is strictly a cultural thing, a point I made earlier in that it's not just black people in America dressing or embracing that lifestyle. But I can say that where my parents are from, and from what they tell me. It's totally different in mainland Africa.

As for your comment about greeting them. I don't say that I'm hostile or flat out turn my nose up at them. But I do not think "This person seems approachable". I have the same stereotype of what a "thug" looks like too. I grew up listening and watching rap.

Violent crime statistics.

What about it?

 

[SmartBase]

That was my impression in Tokyo whites stand out just as much as blacks so theres no singling out. Blacks dont get any special hate, Every foreigner in the same boat.

Obviously this is anecdotal, but when you know the language and don't have a stupid pronunciation of it you tend to get a lot less hate, so to speak.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Thanks!

ooh shit thanks for that, totally watching all of that at work tomorrow.

Cheers! You'll both be glad you took the time to watch. It's a fascinating subject and HL Gates did a fantastic time on the documentary.

 

[Hamplin]

Because they can hide in the dark.

 

[Mael]

The noise and the smell

There's a fucking Wikipedia page for that?

 

[Blackace]

That was my impression in Tokyo whites stand out just as much as blacks so theres no singling out. Blacks dont get any special hate, Every foreigner in the same boat.

Not exactly true...

 

[perineumlick]

...This is wrong on too many levels. Moreso because you're referring to me.



I'm black. That's besides the point though. I agree that carrying prejudices about people without even knowing them first is wrong. Yet like you yourself just said, black people are perceived as thugs. Whatever it's true, fair or not is not the issue. The issue is, what is being done to combat that image? The answer is not one that I am pleased with.


This is what I mean by the separation of Black Americans and Black Africans. "You guys", no offense intended; don't see it the way we do, and we don't see it the way you do. I suppose this is strictly a cultural thing, a point I made earlier in that it's not just black people in America dressing or embracing that lifestyle. But I can say that where my parents are from, and from what they tell me. It's totally different in mainland Africa.

As for your comment about greeting them. I don't say that I'm hostile or flat out turn my nose up at them. But I do not think "This person seems approachable". I have the same stereotype of what a "thug" looks like too. I grew up listening and watching rap.



What about it?

The fact that you're Black, yet so wary when you see an American Black that fits that stereotype, is disheartening.

 

[rCIZZLE]

The people who actually "hate" black people are far fewer than the ones that have other negative feelings like fear or distrust. It's probably due to a combination for a lot of factors. One in particular is how everybody is now on a much more equal level than ever before. The realization that you're not superior to a group of people by default must be pretty harsh for some. Even the extremely vile stuff you'll find on the internet is probably for shock humor more than any personal feelings.

 

[Always-honest]

I didn't even know they were universally hated.. i thought hate jews were universally hated for some reason i don't understand either (well, so THEY say).

But hate generally comes from insecurity, ignorance or not being happy with one's self.

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

I think about how darkness (absence of light) is dangerous; serious infection can turn the skin black; light = life & goodness, dark = evil & death; dumbass primitives saw dark-skinned people and freaked, "OMG evil death people!!" and it has stuck. Even if that's a childish simplification, ignorance and fear is what it reduces to.

Add several thousand layers of societal complexity and rationalizations for poor treatment of "the other" and here we are.

I do get the vibe this state of affairs is concluding, however. Very few people are that fucking stupid anymore, relatively speaking.

 

[cutmeamango]

I think about how darkness (absence of light) is dangerous; serious infection can turn the skin black; light = life & goodness, dark = evil & death; dumbass primitives saw dark-skinned people and freaked, "OMG evil death people!!" and it has stuck. Even if that's a childish simplification, ignorance and fear is what it reduces to.

Add several thousand layers of societal complexity and rationalizations for poor treatment of "the other" and here we are.

I do get the vibe this state of affairs is concluding, however. Very few people are that fucking stupid anymore, relatively speaking.

Primitive people were dark skinned first and I believe there is evidence that the opposite occured. Light skinned were shunned and pushed north (of subsaharan africa) and west (of indoasian region).

 

[NEOPARADIGM]

Primitive people were dark skinned first and I believe there is some evidence that the opposite occured. Light skinned were shunned and pushed north (of subsaharan africa) and west (of indoasian region).

Well then that kills my whole theory.

Weird.

 

[Gattsu25]

Spoiler

I can say wigger right? is that a bad word?

It's an inherently racist word.

 

[Wilbur]

. I don't understand the thing with older white women and black guys, but I guess they just find it fun

Did you find it fun, you sly dog you?! I haven't been following your thread, I hope it's still going (and I hope you're playing Kid Icarus with a stand)

Anyway this whole thread is fascinating to me. In the UK we've got our white power groups and right wing parties but they're so far removed from those of the past it's staggering. The British National Party are the only mainstream far right political movement but it's a very small minority of seats that they hold, and it's in regions less multi cultural than London, Manchester, etc.

I'm presuming American racial relations are entirely different than those here. We've never had a black Prime Minister for example, but I don't think there would be much opposition to him because of the colour of his skin, as opposed to Obama.

 

[Mael]

I think about how darkness (absence of light) is dangerous; serious infection can turn the skin black; light = life & goodness, dark = evil & death; dumbass primitives saw dark-skinned people and freaked, "OMG evil death people!!" and it has stuck. Even if that's a childish simplification, ignorance and fear is what it reduces to.

Add several thousand layers of societal complexity and rationalizations for poor treatment of "the other" and here we are.

I do get the vibe this state of affairs is concluding, however. Very few people are that fucking stupid anymore, relatively speaking.

That would make sense if an overexposition to the sun didn't turn the skin dark...

 

[theignoramus]

I would think American blacks are the most hated of all...

I'd agree with that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6556643.stm

"You're in the Bronx, a black van pulls up in front of you and three African-Americans get out and start really insulting your mother... act!".

 

[methane47]

I'd agree with that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6556643.stm

ridiculous

 

[teruterubozu]

That would make sense if an overexposition to the sun didn't turn the skin dark...

It made sailors red - thus Westerners were "devils" in many indigenous lands.

 

[Blackace]

I'd agree with that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6556643.stm

I remember the good old days of driving around in vans and jumping out to insult people's mothers

 

[Mael]

I remember the good old days of driving around in vans and jumping out to insult people's mothers

Oh and don't forget the loud rap music! Those were the days....

 

[Ikael]

This is a quite American - centric view that you have here. Blacks are not the "universally discriminated minority", as racial relationships vary quite a lot from one country to another. I would rather to be black in Spain rather than Moroccan, or a Kurd in Turkey, a white in Zimbawe, a Persian in Saudi Arabia or an Ainu in Japan. There's no "universally hated race / minority" in the planet Earth. We humans are more than able to hate each other guts for a plethora of different, stupid reasons.

 

[kodecraft]

As a hispanic, I know that a lot of us hate mexicans, but mainly because of ignorant americans. Now the spanish language is synonymous with mexicans and some even call it the mexican language. The instant I say something in spanish (online) I always get "shut the fuck up, you beaner" or "stop speaking mexican, yo". I know it's not your fault and I don't dislike mexicans but it truly does bother me

Another reason why some dislike you guys is because some of you believe that Mexicans is the superior hispanic country, mainly because it's the biggest, kinda like how some americans believe they are the best/superior country in the world.

I feel you.

 

[SmokyDave]

I remember the good old days of driving around in vans and jumping out to insult people's mothers

Aren't you leaving yourself open to retaliation though? I mean, you pick the wrong guy and he pulls out a "yeah, well so's your face!" and, I mean, what are you going to do to come back from that?

 

[Sickboy007]

I'd say American blacks are among the most loved people in the world.

 

[Mael]

Aren't you leaving yourself open to retaliation though? I mean, you pick the wrong guy and he pulls out a "yeah, well so's your face!" and, I mean, what are you going to do to come back from that?

That's why there always was the loud music, you can't hear the guy anyway and he'll be too deaf to reply.

 

[tallkid123]

I'd say American blacks are among the most loved people in the world.

Do they honestly really travel that much outside of America though?

I'm from Australia.
We have African migrants here and I've heard mixed things about them. In Sydney for example, they're all mostly confined to the low socioeconomic areas out west and the local media doesn't really focus on them.

Although they still seem to be forming gangs and apparently are more troublesome in the other Australian cities.

But as for African Americans, I've rarely come in contact with them. And the only one who I really remember was this one guy from my childhood when I lived overseas.

He was a New Yorker, dressed like Sisqo, a pain in the ass and regularly hit the girls at my international school.

Unfortunately, I've never dealt with any other African Americans (and I'm not white either) so I can't say more. It's a shame as I think you guys should come visit Australia more often.

Consider my post a friendly invitation to African Americans to visit Australia more!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I remember the good old days of driving around in vans and jumping out to insult people's mothers

It's gotta be a black van, too!

 

[mr2xxx]

As a hispanic, I know that a lot of us hate mexicans, but mainly because of ignorant americans. Now the spanish language is synonymous with mexicans and some even call it the mexican language. The instant I say something in spanish (online) I always get "shut the fuck up, you beaner" or "stop speaking mexican, yo". I know it's not your fault and I don't dislike mexicans but it truly does bother me

Another reason why some dislike you guys is because some of you believe that Mexicans is the superior hispanic country, mainly because it's the biggest, kinda like how some americans believe they are the best/superior country in the world.

What can I say besides that those people are ignorant. Sure some Mexicans think that way but doesn't mean you should judge a whole group based on a few especially since a large amount have left said country for better opportunities.