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[Black_Stride]

never understood that Black Panther gets on GAF. He's a B level character at best, right up there with Ghost Rider and Gambit. He may be "cool" but he's not a classic.

Give me Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, a good FF movie, or even Captain Marvel over BP any day of the week.

Hahaha this has to be the most hilarious post ive seen in Comic/MCU-GAF history.

You gonna call Black Panther B Level(at best) then bring up Dr. Strange and frikken Captain Marvel......Captain Marvel??? Are you dwansy or something.

Dr. Strange....no one knows who Dr. Strange is, and honestly they have no reason to know him. If BP is B level then Dr. Strange is C level.
Captain Marvel is dead as dead gets god rest his soul, yeah the world gets hype when he may be ressurected but seriously we dont need or even want OG Marvel back, no one does.
Ms Marvel cant hold her own movie.....lets be serious without completely rewriting her character giving her a movie before BP would be a travesty of epic proportions.


Black panther while considered Street Level, he is definetely up there with the A list superheros, both in terms of skill and following....the only reason the most of these character have a large following is because of the movies....Thor? Thor was a fucking nobody before his movie.

BP drops and the whole world will understand why the initiated love BP so much.

Au contraire.
That said, I'm guessing that Ant-Man's costume will be based on the Ultimates version.

Id think they would use his 616 Ant-Man costume....the movie isnt called Yellow Jacket so expecting the Yellow Jacket suit is kinda backwards.
The helmet-less 616 costume is what i hope they get inspiration from....Ultimate Ants costume isnt that good.

 

[Nizz]

I'm not a comics guy so I have no clue about Ant-Man but the description of the test footage that Edgar shot for this sounded amazing. I can't wait.

I remember reading about that as well. That description plus knowing Edgar Wright was attached grabbed my interest. I really liked "Scott Pilgrim".

Someone made a storyboard-style recreation video of it from memory. That's the best we have so far though.
EDIT: http://youtu.be/qGJ0tMAxbkk

Thanks for the link. Wish we could see the actual footage.

Where is panther!
CMON MARVEL wake up!

I know Marvel has a full slate, but what if they could also produce a different line of films that are a little darker/grittier? I haven't read a comic book since I was in eighth grade (a looong time ago) but wasn't there a line of Marvel comics called Marvel Knights and featured characters with a more adult tone?

I mean, Marvel got the rights back to characters such as Daredevil and Punisher, no?

 

[Dram]

Is Black Panther's name the main problem, since it's the same as the political group? Would conservatives lose it if Marvel made a movie called the Black Panther?

 

[GhostWriter24]

Ant-Man? Sounds like a bomb in the making...

 

[Nesotenso]

Suggesting BP is A list or has that level of following is laughable.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I really just hope that Marvel gives Wright a good amount of creative freedom (LOLOLOL SCULLI YOU NAIVE FOOL) on this film, because I really would like at least one more good Marvel studios solo superhero.

 

[Parallax]

Suggesting BP is A list or has that level of following is laughable.

Only a handful of comic characters total are A list. But at the same tim, panther is above strange and cap marvel. Hell one of stranges villians is more popular than he is.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Ant -Man is an avengers founding father.

lol. That doesn't make him any less of a b-lister as far as the general public is concerned.

 

[Tedesco!]

Not to comic fans, but to everyone else? Yeah he was.

A listers would include Superman, Batman, Spidey, the X-Men. (And now, the Avengers)

I don't know. I would consider Cap A-List, even if he had a few shitty TV movies and a Corman movie representing him....

 

[Nesotenso]

Only a handful of comic characters total are A list. But at the same tim, panther is above strange and cap marvel. Hell one of stranges villians is more popular than he is.

BP is definitely more of an important piece in the Marvel U than the two of you mentioned. Cap. Marvel is now known for being dead but Marvel seems to be earnest in pushing Carol. I was responding to the ridiculous statement in the first post of this page.

 

[Parallax]

BP is definitely more of an important piece in the Marvel U than the two of you mentioned. Cap. Marvel is now known for being dead but Marvel seems to be earnest in pushing Carol. I was responding to the rodiculous statement in the first post of this page.

Iim not denying his importance, but he's not a wolverine, batman, or spider man when it comes to popularity

 

[Acid08]

They are all pretty mediocre outside of Branagh. Whedon is just horrible.

As are your opinions.

 

[Nesotenso]

Iim not denying his importance, but he's not a wolverine, batman, or spider man when it comes to popularity

BP is definitely not A list. BP's challenge is not a minority headlining a movie. It would be how his lore is presented on screen and how Wakanda is depicted.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nathan Fillion and bust!

Fixed.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Aside from Ultron and Eggman does Ant-Man have any villians or key storylines that can be adapted?

 

[krypt0nian]

As are your opinions.

Exactly. Avengers was fantastic. Best comic movie yet.

 

[Black_Stride]

Suggesting BP is A list or has that level of following is laughable.

Compared to Captain Marvel(whichever) and Doctor Strange?
Im not the hugest Strange fan, but seriously what has strange done in the last few years worth noting?

Captain Marvel.....coming back to life and dying again is not a feat.

Ms Marvel....Okay she is awesome but a movie about her would be some serious work without a lot of rewriting to the character.

lol. That doesn't make him any less of a b-lister as far as the general public is concerned.

As far as the general public is aware there are only 6 Avengers.
So thats not really saying much.
Falcon is currently ZZ-level but watch right after Captain America 2 Falcon will suddenly be A-Level

Heck id go as far as to say Thor before his movie was nothing but a character from Norse mythology.

The only A tier characters in Marvel pre-movies were Wolverine, Spider-Man and Captain America

 

[akira28]

Iim not denying his importance, but he's not a wolverine, batman, or spider man when it comes to popularity

There are really only a handful of A-listers, and each comic company has a triad they won't let fall.(Oops, maybe I spoke too soon re: DC and Wonder Woman.) But Panther is classic, been around and popular for decades and is an honest part of Marvel Comics history. Like he was one of their master strokes, so the character deserves respect. Regardless of whether they know what the hell to do with the IP or not. The problem with a BP movie is straight up 'Hollywood reasons', and you know this, man.

I could whip out a BP movie in an instant. 20% Wakanda. 80% 1990s style New York City movie. BP in New York is thee shit. T'Challa, large as fuck, solid diamond limousine that flies through Manhattan traffic jams. He turns down invites to Avengers meetings. He's too busy for that shit. He's here on business. That motherfucker, Claw, setting up in a neighboring country, the UN will not allow this. But oh look. Dr. Doom, Kraven the Hunter, and fucking Galactus have banded together to make themselves available for a Black Panther movie. Disaster ensues. Walking up the sides of buildings and shit with his Vibranium shoes.

edit: VV
(Iron Man was not only on the Marvel A list, he's part of the Marvel Trinity. What are you talking about? If you're talking about the A-list of common non-comic general pop culture popularity, just quit trying. 97% of all comics fail to make that list.)

 

[TDLink]

Black Panther is definitely not that well known. It is pretty laughable to call him an A-lister or even a B-lister. Yeah Iron Man wasn't on the A list before his movie, but he sure as hell was better known even prior to that than Black Panther is.

Do I think we need a Black Panther movie? No not really, I don't understand the hype. I really don't get why this character is so popular. My best guess is he is the closest to A-list (even if he is still far from it) a non-white super hero is right now??? That alone isn't really a reason, imo, to elevate him as some here seem to be doing.

Would I like to see a Black Panther movie? Sure why not. I'd be glad to see a movie based around him, or any Marvel character. While I don't think the character is anything super special I am confident they can still do a movie centered on him that is fun.

Do I think we'll get a Black Panther movie? Maybe is the best answer only because I would never say never considering what Marvel has already gotten away with and is planning to get away with. I do think their reservations about the character's backstory/name/setting are probably well founded though.

 

[Callibretto]

That's the bullshit.

I don't think that's true.

American audiences have proven time and time again that they'll go see big budget blockbusters with minorities in the main role, but every time it happens, Old Hollywood chalks it up to "well I guess this guy is the exception and not the rule." Every time!

... Will Smith as Black Panther?

 

[Vermillion]

... Will Smith as Black Panther?

Don't joke.

 

[Htown]

BP is definitely not A list. BP's challenge is not a minority headlining a movie. It would be how his lore is presented on screen and how Wakanda is depicted.

Take a modern city with slightly more advanced technology, put some African people in it, and throw some Panther monuments around.

Done.

It is not harder to figure out than fucking Asgard.

 

[TheBear]

Is that woman's superpower to turn into loose VHS tape? Who the fuck thought of that?

 

[Tobor]

Take a modern city with slightly more advanced technology, put some African people in it, and throw some Panther monuments around.

Done.

It is not harder to figure out than fucking Asgard.

It's not a question of how to make it. It's a question of how to sell it.

 

[TDLink]

edit: VV
(Iron Man was not only on the Marvel A list, he's part of the Marvel Trinity. What are you talking about? If you're talking about the A-list of common non-comic general pop culture popularity, just quit trying. 97% of all comics fail to make that list.)

Yes that is exactly what I am talking about. And yes, that list is incredibly small (though these movies are growing it). That's kind of the point though. That's why it's the "A-list". If it was just based on characters people who actually read comics generally know it would be at least 10 times the size it currently is.

Realistically here was the A-list before 2008 for Marvel:

Spider Man
The Incredible Hulk
Wolverine/"The X-Men"
"The Fantastic Four"

An argument could be made for Captain America to be on there too, I suppose. Since the MCU has been started though Iron Man, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury...they are definitely all up there. Heck, that's part of the entire point of the MCU.

 

[Black_Stride]

Is that woman's superpower to turn into loose VHS tape? Who the fuck thought of that?

Hahaha.
She turns to gas, the suit just unwraps when she does, it eventually evaporates as well.

 

[The Return of]

I really just hope that Marvel gives Wright a good amount of creative freedom (LOLOLOL SCULLI YOU NAIVE FOOL) on this film, because I really would like at least one more good Marvel studios solo superhero.

I hope so because I am only interested because of the director involved

 

[Parallax]

Yes that is exactly what I am talking about. And yes, that list is incredibly small (though these movies are growing it). That's kind of the point though. That's why it's the "A-list". If it was just based on characters people who actually read comics generally know it would be at least 10 times the size it currently is.

Realistically here was the A-list before 2008 for Marvel:

Spider Man
The Incredible Hulk
Wolverine/"The X-Men"
"The Fantastic Four"

An argument could be made for Captain America to be on there too, I suppose. Since the MCU has been started though Iron Man, Thor, Loki, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury...they are definitely all up there. Heck, that's part of the entire point of the MCU.

Why are the xmen always brought up in a list conversation? Wolverine sure, but the others? The movies can't even keep their shit in order when it comes to the xmen. The only stand outs are logan, charles, and max. The rest are rotary/cookie cutter. Hell, a friend of mine didn't even know that havok and cyke are brothers until I told him. Outside of mahvel fans(and even then I'm not sure) and comic readers, who the hell knows about the xmen?

 

[TDLink]

Why are the xmen always brought up in a list conversation? Wolverine sure, but the others? The movies can't even keep their shit in order when it comes to the xmen. The only stand outs are logan, charles, and max. The rest are rotary/cookie cutter. Hell, a friend of mine didn't even know that havok and cyke are brothers until I told him. Outside of mahvel fans(and even then I'm not sure) and comic readers, who the hell knows about the xmen?

When people say "The X-Men" it means most people know of the X-Men, that they're mutants, most even know about Professor X. They just don't know the specifics character-wise beyond Prof. X, Wolverine, Cyclops, and possibly a couple others. That's why I put "The X-Men" in quotes. "The Fantastic Four" is the same way in that most people have heard of them/know of them but don't particularly know all their names, necesarilly.

 

[Parallax]

When people say "The X-Men" it means most people know of the X-Men, that they're mutants, most even know about Professor X. They just don't know the specifics character-wise beyond Prof. X, Wolverine, Cyclops, and possibly a couple others. That's why I put "The X-Men" in quotes. "The Fantastic Four" is the same way in that most people have heard of them/know of them but don't particularly know all their names, necesarilly.

they can at least get the codenames with the fantastic 4. the human torch and the thing are incredibly popular. i cant say that for the xmen

 

[Affeinvasion]

X-men have always been marvel's most popular franchise (well in modern age). From the comics to the cartoons to the arcade and video games to the movies. X-men is what kept marvel afloat during the lean times. I think you'd be surprised how many x-men people can name.

 

[Black_Stride]

X-men have always been marvel's most popular franchise (well in modern age). From the comics to the cartoons to the arcade and video games to the movies. X-men is what kept marvel afloat during the lean times. I think you'd be surprised how many x-men people can name.

No i wouldnt.

Cyclops
Jean Grey
IceMan
Wolverine
Beast
Magneto - Technically correct as he has been an X-man on many occasions.
Rogue
Professor X
Gambit
Storm.

The number of people who can mention many more than that are few and far, very far between.

I know alot of people who lose out on Colossus and Kitty Pryde even if they are some of the more mainstream X-men.

 

[TDLink]

No i wouldnt.

Cyclops
Jean Grey
IceMan
Wolverine
Beast
Magneto - Technically correct as he has been an X-man on many occasions.
Rogue
Professor X
Gambit
Storm.

The number of people who can mention many more than that are few and far, very far between.

I know alot of people who lose out on Colossus and Kitty Pryde even if they are some of the more mainstream X-men.

You are right on all of those and they far outnumber all of the other characters that Marvel has which the mainstream are familiar with combined.

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

recently saw "Blood and Bone" again, and yeah... Michael Jai White could DEFINITELY pull BP off i feel, love the guy!

Shame it probably ain't gonna happen. At least we get Ant-Man now though

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I hope so because I am only interested because of the director involved

Yeah that's pretty much the real reason. I don't give a shit about Marvel or Ant-Man or their expanded universe. What I do give a shit about is getting an Edgar Wright film and not a Marvel film where he's treated as a director for hire.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

ant man sounds like the most rediculous name/superhero ever.

 

[Black_Stride]

ant man sounds like the most rediculous name/superhero ever.

More so than
Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, Wonder Woman and the martian manhunter?

 

[Mister_Bubbles]

More so than
Batman, Spider-Man, Superman, Wonder Woman and the martian manhunter?

Lol, spot the odd one out.

 

[Big Baybee]

BP should be in Avengers 2 at least. Such a great character.

 

[ISOM]

Lol, spot the odd one out.

Martian Manhunter it's the best one out of all mentioned by far.

 

[Black_Stride]

Lol, spot the odd one out.

One of them can fuck up all the others put together.

 

[Slayven]

One of them can fuck up all the others put together.

 

[Blader]

I gotta think they'll do Hulk 3 somewhere in there. I'd love to see Ruffalo have the opportunity to carry his own movie, and they did introduce The Leader in TIH.

Feige did say there would be another Hulk movie after Avengers 2.

My guess is that phase 3 will be Ant-Man, Hulk, Cap 3, Thor 3, and Dr. Strange and/or Black Panther.

 

[ReiGun]

Was just going to say J'onn.

Flash and Bats look so defeated in the corner over there.

 

[Hindle]

What do you guys think of the Die Hard idea I suggested? Basically set it in one location that's taken over by bad guys, and Ant Man has to save the day using a powered suit etc.

 

[ReiGun]

What do you guys think of the Die Hard idea I suggested? Basically set it in one location that's taken over by bad guys, and Ant Man has to save the day using a powered suit etc.

I like it. It sounds like an idea that would work more with the Flash and his Rouges than Ant-Man, but I suppose you could do something with A.I.M.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Hahaha.
She turns to gas, the suit just unwraps when she does, it eventually evaporates as well.

Sounds potentially sexy.

I can't wait for this movie. Unfortunately 2015 is a long fucking time away and we have to deal with Second Impact anyways.

 

[Tobor]

Feige did say there would be another Hulk movie after Avengers 2.

My guess is that phase 3 will be Ant-Man, Hulk, Cap 3, Thor 3, and Dr. Strange and/or Black Panther.

I agree. Also, we'll have to wait and see if GOTG does well enough for a sequel.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Is GotG going to need a sequel? Not that it will lack any substance, but it seems to be something specifically made as a Thanos introduction film, like a one-shot or something. Ant-man could also serve that purpose to introduce Ultron for Phase 3.

Though if it is a big success then there's no reason they wouldn't want to turn it into its own franchise.

 

[Tobor]

Is GotG going to need a sequel? Not that it will lack any substance, but it seems to be something specifically made as a Thanos introduction film, like a one-shot or something. Ant-man could also serve that purpose to introduce Ultron for Phase 3.

Though if it is a big success then there's no reason they wouldn't want to turn it into its own franchise.

From a business perspective, you don't even think about greenlighting a project unless there's a chance at a franchise. GOTG, if handled correctly, could sell a lot of toys.