That's my thought, I'd rather see someone with some actual investigative journalism cred do this instead of some 'gamer'.
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"GTFO: A Film About Women in Gaming" on Kickstarter
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That's my thought, I'd rather see someone with some actual investigative journalism cred do this instead of some 'gamer'.
grimshawish
Banned
Why is it called 'GTFO'...?
Thats helpful to the discussion...how?
Thats helpful to the discussion...how?
Aquamarine
Member
Well I sure hope so. I just worry about her ability to convey nuanced analyses due to her prior lack of interest in the industry.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
A casual gamer that probably just started to get interested in the industry is doing this? geez, I hope she gets some help(not from Anita)
Well, I can't see how 'uncovering' or reporting on true discrimination would require any familiarity the industry.
CorySchmitz
Junior Member
I think it looks good. I backed it! Kind of an MTV True Life format documentary.
I liked Anita's video too.
I liked Anita's video too.
Gentleman Jack
Member
It was never that hard as long as you could get the audience while they were paying attention. At least in the case of this documentary and in spite of being 'casual' she has tracked down more than one voice to put on film. I just hope that in post production she's able to properly credit the contributors and mark her research so those interested in the topic can follow up and broaden their knowledge.
How much money do I have to donate for it to stop?
I'm much more interested in projects that look to analyze the roots of the sexism in gaming and/or provide possible solutions than projects that seek to expose something that is already out in the open. I'm tired of so much attention being given to the creeps and losers.
I'm not opposed to this project or anything. Just not something I'm interested in.
I'm not opposed to this project or anything. Just not something I'm interested in.
StevePharma
Member
"GTFO: A Film About Women in Gaming on Kickstarter"
I'd watch that.
I'd watch that.
Sounds... okay? I mean, at least she's not "pay me to play games as 'research' and make simple youtube videos that I created before without a kickstarter".
But I feel like this would probably do better if it came sooner given the recent drama from that one woman whose name escapes me right now.
But I feel like this would probably do better if it came sooner given the recent drama from that one woman whose name escapes me right now.
sick of women being treated like crap, or sick of hearing about it?
graywolf323
Member
yep, they definitely seem to be going in biased and looking for things to back up their opinion rather than being objective
Beelzeboss
Member
she's making a movie about the assholes of xbox live?
yeah I'd rather not give them any more attention.
yeah I'd rather not give them any more attention.
Wasn't Reddit against the other one?
Where is the documentary about no gay leads/characters? Why is it always straight males/females? Some bullshit. I am gonna start a kickstarter about that.
CorySchmitz
Junior Member
Yeah because all documentary film makers are directly involved in the subject of their films...
I wonder if this Kickstarter funded documentary will touch on the misuse of the subject of women in gaming as a means to scam money out of people, such as on Kickstarter.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528903
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528903
Oh, then it's alright.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
speaking of that, where is part 2?
CorySchmitz
Junior Member
Grizzly Man was pretty good & Werner Herzog isn't a grizzly man, haha.
lazybones18
Banned
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I'm sick of hearing about it
It's gotta change, but the way the whole gaming industry acts around this is lame. Please don't think I'm saying everyone should shut up and stop talking about it, but when there's a stupid kotaku article or something every week and then we have Santa Monica changing a trophy and stupid crap... it just rustles my jimmies
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I long for the day that women are treated like human beings in the industry more commonly, there's not such a social stigma around girls who like video games (not 'girl gamers', just girls who play or like games, which shouldn't be surprising to anyone anymore. Hell, as a random example, I and other bigger gaming LP'ers on YouTube can attest that our viewership is a higher percentage women than men), and that we can stop hearing about it/having people cash in on it all the time.
It's a serious issue, but I feel this has to be solved more directly than this sort of going-around-in-circles mentality that seems to be going on about it.
It's a serious issue, but I feel this has to be solved more directly than this sort of going-around-in-circles mentality that seems to be going on about it.
2014.
You have to give her some time, she's busy spending all the money. She'll get around to making the video when she feels like it.
You don't have to donate anything, just work to make the videogame subculture not a shitty place.
Silver_DNA
Member
So instead of Confirmation Bias: The Series she want to make Confirmation Bias: The Documentary.
I wish I wasn't so cynical about this because it's a legitimate problem, but I doubt any real research will go into it and a bunch of spurious claims will be made, like with Sarkisian. Now if they wanted to look inward at the gaming industry that might be interesting, but more expensive.
I wish I wasn't so cynical about this because it's a legitimate problem, but I doubt any real research will go into it and a bunch of spurious claims will be made, like with Sarkisian. Now if they wanted to look inward at the gaming industry that might be interesting, but more expensive.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Exactly. People over blow so many things as
sexism now that the word has lost its meaning and now its just going to be one big joke or groan for a while.
Great job games journalism, instead of actually examining the mistreatment in the industry you take smarmy shots at Dragons Crown and pretend that an achievement name is going to cause some guy think all women are bitches.
Like Kotaku did with their tryhard bullshit over Dragon's Crown? Or Polygon with their pushing a false narrative over Mojang and "strippers" at their GDC party?
Stuff like that is why there's fatigue.
TheSpoiler
Member
My biggest issue is that changes never get proposed. It's all "LOOK AT WOMEN GETTING TRASHED IN GAMING", and after the billionth article, we need to start sitting down and finding solutions.
What this is becoming is old hat. It's nothing more than an issue with no solution, that people are eventually going to get tired of. Imagine coming on NeoGaf and having only one thing to talk about.
Eventually, it's going to suck.
dream
Member
Right. That's why I like the idea of getting outside perspectives on this. Otherwise, it's the same voices raising the same concerns, facing the same rebuttals, employing the same rhetoric in the same stalemate that is never resolved to anyone's satisfaction.
Neuromancer
Member
Why? What exactly are people who don't play games going to be able to do about it? It seems to me she should be pitching the project to gamers, developers and platform holders.
Maybe there needs to be a smarter feedback/encouragement and punishment system in place.
I'm glad someone called Kamitani out on his bullshit. I like Vanillaware but there are legit reasons to object to those character designs. Beyond that, he doubled down on it with homophobia. The article has legitimate reason to exist and people should be aware as to what is wrong with those character designs.
I don't know a damn thing about the Mojang GDC party, so I won't comment.
Homophobia? lol.
TheSpoiler
Member
The perspective of a previously uninformed and biased person can only contribute to the pile instead of making her own fresh take.
But this isn't an issue that can be solved directly. It requires social change, and that only happens through awareness and education which takes time.
Yeah, Kamitani basically accused the kotaku writer of being gay. Thats fucked up and not funny.
TheSpoiler
Member
No he didn't.
He made that picture as a way of joking way of saying "well, now we have handsome boys as well".
The intention was never to call the Kotaku guy gay. At all.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
His article said Kamitani was 14 years old and he probably felt offended about it, I know that his response wasn't the correct choice but I don't see it as homophobic, it was just a joke. He can design the characters however he wants, the game looks beautiful and everyone is making a huge deal over a single character design.
Then he said the Sorceress was pandering to Lolicons and everyone laughed, haha Kotaku
GreatMightySymp
Member
Title seems somewhat loaded, but I'm not getting the Anita/Susan vibe from it just yet.
Still not going to touch Kickstarter with a 10-foot pole after the whole Susan episode.
Still not going to touch Kickstarter with a 10-foot pole after the whole Susan episode.
dream
Member
I'm not entirely convinced of that. I think people within the industry are burdened by biases and baggage, and everything eventually becomes a big territorial pissing match. Someone from the outside, though, has the opportunity to introduce something new--and what that is, I don't know--that isn't just self-interested bullshit from people who feel threatened or marginalized, depending on their stance.
Killing_Joke
Member
Kickstarter is so lame. It had potential to be cool. But now it's just a simple cash grab for lazy people. Go broke and shop your movie like the rest of the world.
A homophobic joke is still a homophobic joke. It isn't funny and Kamitani was wrong, he apologized so that kind of seals it.
Kamitani implied he would prefer these buff dudes; thats accusing him of being gay. I'm sorry you can't see blatant homophobia.
TheSpoiler
Member
Me neither, but aiming for one side just seems not that investigative. I hope she proves me wrong, but as others have said, that loaded title is telling.
Are you an expert on funny?