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Every PS4 won't come bundled with an EyeToy after all? Image Inside.

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TheMasterGoblin

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gketter said:
This is a stretch. Do they disclaimer that the controller doesn't include a PS4?

Is the camera was standard they wouldn't mention it. Just like I'm sure there's no disclaimer for any kinect videos MS has
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It's not a stretch.

The video was demoing all of the features of the Dual Shock 4.

The disclaimer was that not all features will be used by all developers, and that some features require the Playstation 4 camera, which is not included with the controller.

You don't see a "requires PS4 to play" disclaimer at the end of game trailers and commercials.
 
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Zukuu

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Outch, Sony will eat XBone now, if they not only got the better hardware, the more user friendly enviroment, but also the lower price.



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Pai Pai Master

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Fine by me. I want the camera but they should sell a base model without the camera to keep the selling price low. I'll pay extra for a bundle or Premium model.
 
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H_Prestige

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The camera is not required for the ps4 to function, nor is it required for the ds4 to work. Yet so many still thought it would be a required pack in. Never change GAF.

The ps4 will launch at 349 or 399. And you can take that to the bank.
 
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chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
H_Prestige said:
The camera is not required for the ps4 to function, nor is it required for the ds4 to work. Yet so many still thought it would be a required pack in. Never change GAF.

The ps4 will launch at 349 or 399. And you can take that to the bank.
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Oh I'll take that to the bank. The blood bank.
 
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SlipperyFishes

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The official press release implies otherwise.

"In addition, users will be able to login to their PS4 with face recognition and are capable of using their own body movements or voices to enjoy games more intuitively."
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Why bother focusing on a camera at the unveil if its a core component. You do that shit in a press release unless a lot of people are going to be using it.
 
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Mifune

Mehmber
TheMasterGoblin said:
It's not a stretch.

The video was demoing all of the features of the Dual Shock 4.

The disclaimer was that not all features will be used by all developers, and that some features require the Playstation 4 camera, which is not included with the controller.

You don't see a "requires PS4 to play" disclaimer at the end of game trailers and commercials.
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The controller comes with the PS4. Nobody is going to buy a Dual Shock 4 without already having a PS4. "Sold Separately" can only mean the camera does not come with the console.
 
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H_Prestige

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planetsmasherx1 said:
The official press release implies otherwise.



Why bother focusing on a camera at the unveil if its a core component. You do that shit in a press release unless a lot of people are going to be using it.
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Because they want to sell the camera for $$$.

Do you think the only way to start the console or login to your profile will be through face recognition? Like, pushing the power button and typing in your user name and password won't work on the ps4?

The message came from this video... a Dualshock 4 video.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=uQXN3Azvq9E

Might want to hold on to your horses before doing playing the "haha, told you so" game.
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Point being? It says point blank that it is sold separately. If it weren't, then how the hell would someone have a dualshock 4 but not have the camera? Unless you also believe the ds4 won't be included with the system?

I'm starting to sense that "camera required" will become the new "online required" in ps4 threads.
 
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Bgamer90

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Mifune said:
The controller comes with the PS4. Nobody is going to buy a Dual Shock 4 without already having a PS4. "Sold Separately" can only mean the camera does not come with the console.
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Have you ever seen a video game accessory in a store that has a picture of the system that it's for on the box?

Many of them have a caption that says "system not included".
 
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balohna

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I'm glad the price will be lower, but in a way it's kind of unfortunate that you can't count on every user having one of these. It could potentially open up interesting gameplay ideas, but if only some of the user base has it then it will be used less by developers.

That being said, if Sony starts including it as a standard item down the road (say, a year after launch) at the same or a reduced price, a lot of PS4 users will have it anyway. I guess time will tell.
 
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Zukuu

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balohna said:
I'm glad the price will be lower, but in a way it's kind of unfortunate that you can't count on every user having one of these. It could potentially open up interesting gameplay ideas, but if only some of the user base has it then it will be used less by developers.

That being said, if Sony starts including it as a standard item down the road (say, a year after launch) at the same or a reduced price, a lot of PS4 users will have it anyway. I guess time will tell.
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Then you have xbone scenario where it's required to be plugged in during gaming. I'd rather have it optional.
 
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Speedy Blue Dude

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OR... You know... It could mean if you buy a Dualshock 4 in store so you have 2 for Splitscreen... Then it doesn't include the PS Eye?

Jumping to conclusions... Aren't we. :| Let's just wait for E3 to see what the deal is.
 
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Bgamer90

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H_Prestige said:
Because they want to sell the camera for $$$.
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...And have it flop suddenly due to it not getting much support because it's sold separately (that is, if it won't come with the console).

Do you think the only way to start the console or login to your profile will be through face recognition? Like, pushing the power button and typing in your user name and password won't work on the ps4?
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No one is saying that. What people are saying is why go through the time even making the feature if Sony isn't going to put the PS Eye in every PS4 box.

Point being? It says point blank that it is sold separately. If it weren't, then how the hell would someone have a dualshock 4 but not have the camera? Unless you also believe the ds4 won't be included with the system?
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As I've said before, many people who are informed wouldn't think that the PS Eye comes with the controller but these captions are usually for people who are VERY uninformed.

You ever see the packing of console accessories in which the box has a message that says "system not included"?

It's like, "duh... of course not", BUT they add it there for people who may assume that it's in there.

Some people are just that uninformed.

I'm starting to sense that "camera required" will become the new "online required" in ps4 threads.
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Oh please.
 
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Jedi2016

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It's my impression that they're just saying that the camera doesn't come with the controller.

If they weren't sure that every system would have one, why would they build Move functionality directly into every single controller? I seriously doubt they would have spent that kind of money on upgrading the controllers if that feature wasn't going to be used except by a tiny fraction of the games.

My vote's for the camera being included in every system. But, while developers will be more open to using it if it's always going to be there, I don't think Sony will in any way make it required. So you can turn it off or even unplug it and the system will continue to function, and you'll only need to hook it up for games that actually use it.
 
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kaiyo

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H_Prestige said:
Because they want to sell the camera for $$$.

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They also want to sell multiple Move controllers for $$$. They would get more move game support if the Eye is packed in. It is easier to get a customer to buy a Move when they already have an Eye and there's lots of game support.


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Jedi2016 said:
It's my impression that they're just saying that the camera doesn't come with the controller.

If they weren't sure that every system would have one, why would they build Move functionality directly into every single controller? I seriously doubt they would have spent that kind of money on upgrading the controllers if that feature wasn't going to be used except by a tiny fraction of the games.

My vote's for the camera being included in every system. But, while developers will be more open to using it if it's always going to be there, I don't think Sony will in any way make it required. So you can turn it off or even unplug it and the system will continue to function, and you'll only need to hook it up for games that actually use it.
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This is what I'm thinking.
 
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H_Prestige

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Speedy Blue Dude said:
OR... You know... It could mean if you buy a Dualshock 4 in store so you have 2 for Splitscreen... Then it doesn't include the PS Eye?

Jumping to conclusions... Aren't we. :| Let's just wait for E3 to see what the deal is.
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So why doesn't it say ps4 sold separately? Can't use the ds4 or the camera without the ps4.

It's my impression that they're just saying that the camera doesn't come with the controller.

If they weren't sure that every system would have one, why would they build Move functionality directly into every single controller? I seriously doubt they would have spent that kind of money on upgrading the controllers if that feature wasn't going to be used except by a tiny fraction of the games.

My vote's for the camera being included in every system. But, while developers will be more open to using it if it's always going to be there, I don't think Sony will in any way make it required. So you can turn it off or even unplug it and the system will continue to function, and you'll only need to hook it up for games that actually use it.
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The controller is not a move. FFS people.
 
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Mifune

Mehmber
Speedy Blue Dude said:
OR... You know... It could mean if you buy a Dualshock 4 in store so you have 2 for Splitscreen... Then it doesn't include the PS Eye?

Jumping to conclusions... Aren't we. :| Let's just wait for E3 to see what the deal is.
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If you're buying another DS4 then you already have the Eye because it was bundled with the PS4. "Sold separately" makes zero sense in that instance.
 
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Syphon Filter

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Bgamer90 said:
...And have it flop suddenly due to it not getting much support because it's sold separately (that is, if it won't come with the console).



No one is saying that. What people are saying is why go through the time even making the feature if Sony isn't going to put the PS Eye in every PS4 box.



As I've said before, many people who are informed wouldn't think that the PS Eye comes with the controller but these captions are usually for people who are VERY uninformed.

You ever see the packing of console accessories in which the box has a message that says "system not included"?

It's like, "duh... of course not", BUT they add it there for people who may assume that it's in there.

Some people are just that uninformed.



Oh please.
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That is what we want, then we don't need to worry about that.
 
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Bgamer90

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H_Prestige said:
So why doesn't it say ps4 sold separately? Can't use the ds4 or the camera without the ps4.
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1. The PS4 already comes with a Dualshock 4 controller.

2. The advertisement didn't show the PS4 console (since no pictures of the PS4 have been released yet obviously).
 
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AOC83

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Jedi2016 said:
It's my impression that they're just saying that the camera doesn't come with the controller.
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Which would make absolutely no sense because you don´t buy a controller for a system you don´t own and if you have a PS4 you´d already have a camera anyway if it´s bundled with the console.

There is absolutely no way to spin this.
 
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Bgamer90

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Syphon Filter said:
That is what we want, then we don't need to worry about that.
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It's shortsighted to want that in my opinion.

A console having things for various people with different interests sets the console up to do better.

The system doing better means that it would be less of a risk to make niche "AAA" big budget games directed towards gamers like us here on GAF.
 
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Bgamer90

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AOC83 said:
Which would make absolutely no sense because you don´t buy a controller for a system you don´t own and if you have a PS4 you´d already have a camera anyway if it´s bundled with the console.

There is absolutely no way to spin this.
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No one is spinning anything. It's just that some people here know how accessory/add-on advertisements usually have these "obvious information" captions.
 
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Mifune

Mehmber
AOC83 said:
Which would make absolutely no sense because you don´t buy a controller for a system you don´t own and if you have a PS4 you´d already have a camera anyway if it´s bundled with the console.

There is absolutely no way to spin this.
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People are being willfully dense. That's the only explanation for failing to grasp the logic of something being sold separately.
 
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Boke1879

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another thing that has me believe a camera won't be included is that Sony is also going to include a Headset with each console right? Wasn't that said?

I think MS isn't including a Headset because they want people to talk using Kinect.
 
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BlastProcessing

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RadarScope1 said:
Hmm. Not sure how to feel about this. I can't really disagree with most of you who say its just worthless icing and doesn't really add much to the core experience. I don't have Move or Kinect for my PS3 or 360 and don't really care the Wii (even though I have one). I just want the core experience, AND as someone who's kinda rooting for Sony right now (I'm not a fanboy - it's more of an underdog/return of the former champ thing) I do want to see as low a price point as possible with a single, attractive SKU at launch.

What gets me is that the DS4 has that light built in. Why do that if the camera isn't coming bundled? My guess is that this could be another case where Sony is attempting to learn from a mistake made this gen: the Move required three different pieces to achieve full functionality, the Eye and two controllers (correct me if I'm wrong - as I said I don't own one). So now they could sell the Eye separately knowing that everyone would need ONLY the Eye to get functionality for the stuff like split screen or raising a shield or whatever devs can do with that controller light. And the Move itself still works for even more functionality.

This also makes me believe Sony has some kind of really cool software coming at launch that will be bundled with the Eye. Or at least they should. If they're smart if won't be some shit mini game collection. It needs to appeal to the core. As many have said, WE are the ones who buy this hardware at launch. Not sure what a core-focused Eye title would be at this point. But not bundling it and pushing it with some bullshit casual or mini game title means its DOA from day one. Why go to the trouble of including the LED light (regardless of how cheap it is) on every DS4 if you're just sending the Eye to its death (yet again) from day one?

Oh well. I guess the cost of entry to the PS4 will cheaper. Give me $399, Kaz.
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Even without the camera, the lightbar gives information about which player the controller is logged in as. Just like the green ring on a 360 or the red leds on the Dualshock 3. They just found a way of displaying that information that also harmonizes with camera tracking. It could just be an example of efficient design. You are going to have to have an led on the thing anyway.
 
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TheMasterGoblin

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Mifune said:
The controller comes with the PS4. Nobody is going to buy a Dual Shock 4 without already having a PS4. "Sold Separately" can only mean the camera does not come with the console.
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Actually they could because the Dual Shock 4 is sold separately from the PS4 (even if one is included with the system).

The Dual Shock 4 is a product by itself (remember people can hook up the Dual Shock 3 with a computer or other bluetooth enabled device with drivers, etc).

If this disclaimer was valid in the discussion about the Playstation 4 Camera not being bundled with the PS4 then the disclaimer would be on any video that displays the Playstation 4 Camera features.
 
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Bgamer90

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Mifune said:
Then why does it not say "PS4 console sold separately?"
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Because again...

1. The PS4 already comes with a Dualshock 4 controller.

2. The advertisement didn't show the PS4 console (since no pictures of the PS4 have been released yet obviously).

More so point #2 than #1 though.
 
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Jedi2016

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AOC83 said:
Which would make absolutely no sense because you don´t buy a controller for a system you don´t own and if you have a PS4 you´d already have a camera anyway if it´s bundled with the console.

There is absolutely no way to spin this.
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It's been mentioned a number of times, in case you hadn't noticed... go to the store and look at a controller: "System not included". But really, why would they put that message on the box if no one ever buys a controller for a system they don't own?

And, again, why put the lightbar in the controller if it wasn't guaranteed to be used? It serves absolutely no purpose without the camera.
 
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BlastProcessing

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Bgamer90 said:
It's shortsighted to want that in my opinion.

A console having things for various people with different interests sets the console up to do better.

The system doing better means that it would be less of a risk to make niche "AAA" big budget games directed towards gamers like us here on GAF.
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I would argue that a high user base, built from a lower price is going to do more to woo publishers than a camera in every box.
 
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H_Prestige

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Bgamer90 said:
No one is spinning anything. It's just that some people here know how accessory/add-on advertisements usually have these "obvious information" captions.
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Does the dualshock 4 come bundled with a ps4? Clearly it must since this ad doesn't say otherwise.

Another poor decision by Sony. Developers not going to care about utilizing it if its not with each system.
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And? You think Sony or anyone else gives a shit? The camera is a hardware accessory designed to sell for massive profit, nothing more. Or did the lack of camera controlled games at the ps4 reveal not make that clear? Devs have a method of controlling ps4 games. It's called the dualshock 4. I suspect they will prefer that in either case, as will consumers.
 
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Syphon Filter

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Bgamer90 said:
It's shortsighted to want that in my opinion.

A console having things for various people with different interests sets the console up to do better.

The system doing better means that it would be less of a risk to make niche "AAA" big budget games directed towards gamers like us here on GAF.
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Then what about the people who don't want it, it's unfair to them.
 
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TrutaS

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That is the right thing to do, if the point is to lower the entry price. The fact that I won't get one afterwards is proof that I didn't need it in the first place. I would only be interested in it if the controller has more interesting functionality with the camera than what has been announced so far.
 
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Mifune

Mehmber
PdotMichael said:
Because the entire video was "DualShock 4 is the new controller OF the Playstation 4"?

Your logic doesn't make sense.
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Yes, and if the DS4 comes with the PS4, why in the world would they need a disclaimer saying that the camera is sold separately if it (the camera) was packed in with the PS4?
 
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Takuya

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Bgamer90 said:
Because again...

1. The PS4 already comes with a Dualshock 4 controller.

2. The advertisement didn't show the PS4 console (since no pictures of the PS4 have been released yet obviously).

More so point #2 than #1 though.
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Would've said "Console and camera sold separately."
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Syphon Filter said:
Then what about the people who don't want it, it's unfair to them.
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Which is why they are giving things to people that would be attracted to the system regardless of whether or not the accessory with it.

"Not interested in this accessory? Fine... we are still going to give you stuff that would make you want to purchase the console either way."

One of the systems could have a built in toaster (lol) but as long as it has enough games that I'm interested in (and at a good price) I'm buying it.
 
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Bgamer90

Banned
Mifune said:
Yes, and if the DS4 comes with the PS4, why in the world would they need a disclaimer saying that the camera is sold separately if it (the camera) was packed in with the PS4?
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The "obvious information" captions are usually used for things that are shown in the video.

The PS4 console wasn't shown in the video.

H_Prestige said:
So if I buy another dualshock 4, I will get another ps4 along with it?
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Was the PS4 console shown in the video? No. Therefore Sony wouldn't be responsible for someone assuming that.
 
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