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[quest]

How does Microsoft decide who "family members" are? I'm unclear on that whole bit.

Either I am sure by IP or a new family account for 10 people. So 1 person is primary and other 9 are subs. Makes most sense with that set up people would not bother. Especially since 1 idiot can get banned and all games are gone for everyone.

 

[Nokterian]

I don't know if I agree with that. DRM, whatever... PC gaming is kinda dead and piracy is rampant.

Troll post? Troll post.

 

[Alebrije]

And before piracy it was rental games, and after piracy it was used games. The reality is the problem is the huge budgets that these publishers piss away and come back with unrealistic expectations of how their game should do. Piracy is a drop in the water compared to how big the publishers are messing up. They just want a scapegoat and they'll screw over honest consumers on the way to get it.



Try to explain it like this. Just examine how they use their console now, like lending games, selling on ebay, being able to play offline. Then just keep saying nope, no, nope. They'll get the hint pretty quickly after they say how it would be ridiculous for a company to even attempt it. Now you can link them directly to Microsoft's page proving your point for you. They'll soon see the light shortly after it. I pretty much did this recently over some coffee with some friends at a local shop and their reaction went from hype to sadness, exactly how I felt. We love our halo, even still play halo 4 every night but now we're all looking at PS4's.

I agree , honest consumers get the worse piece of the cake , also its just a matter if greed since piracy its not bleeding the industry and there always has been piracy since the NES era.

But I also understand why MS does not give a fuck about markets outside U.S. ( specially emerging country markets ) like Mexico , India , Argentina , Brasil etc. since the videogames bussiness is controlled by piracy and used copies. The biggest loser for Xbone being a U.S. machine its Europe where piracy ( no including Spain) is almost controlled as in the U.S.

 

[Spongebob]

The best bit would be if MS require a Gold subscription to play any games that require DA POWER OF ZE CLOUDZ.

This is MS, they probably will lol.

 

[Woo-Fu]

So can we get confirmation if game rentals are dead?

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

If they're not outright dead they're in a coma from which they may never wake up.

 

[BigMack]

Yes. And it is called the SHUT DOWN.

I cant believe they really did it.
This has got to be this most insidious rule of them all....Not managing used games... No; they are effectively destroying used games as we know it.

I *think* this only for games where you still own but lend it out to a friend. I think the trading / selling thing deactivates from your account and activates on the new person's account. I wouldn't think this is limited to just one time only.

The fact that us hardcore gaming nerds are sitting here confused and coming up with various interpretations of how all of this works is going to be a horrible PR nightmare once this thing releases.

I for one, cannot WAIT to see the backlash MS gets over average people not understanding how all of this works.

 

[Bel_Air_Jeff]

This is so lame. RIP Xbox One

 

[EvB]

Those rules for giving away games are going to make for some odd ebay auctions. "Shipping: 1 month after you've added me on XBL."

Ebay doesn't allow the sale of digital goods anyway....

 

[gigantor21]

Nice find. Did you check out the video at the 9:17 mark? Wow!

GODDAMN 0_0

Seriously, that shit is creepily prophetic.

 

[nbthedude]

Also, hay guys. How about that Wii U?

 

[Shinta]

Well it's official, you can completely turn Kinect off by turning the system off. Kinect will only be monitoring all voice communication then and not actually be off at all.

I mean wow. Does anyone believe this garbage?

And terms of service can be changed so fucking fast. Fine print in a system update that is mandatory to be on xbox live a year down the road and bam, there it is.

Kinect still has to be:

Always connected
Always connected to the internet

End of story really. They even mention you having the option to agree about letting them data mine. That confirms they're data mining.

And here's this in case you guys missed it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

That's just one of the leaked ones we know about. So much for tin foil eh?

 

[Zukuu]

Isn't this even worse than anticipated? Oh my god xbox...

 

[halogamer]

I can see this being a failure. If people start bringing it home and realize that they cant play without internet, there will be a huge backlash. Especially if PS4 doesn't require this.

 

[Green Yoshi]

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

That makes no sense at all. How will they know if they are really my family members and not my fellow students that want to play my games for free?

 

[Ding-Ding]

What I find funny is how developers will support this shit because they think it will help alot of development studios from closure.

For educated people they sure are stupid pricks.

Sorry boys but alot of you are still going to be on the scrap heap, as publishers close/dont invest in studios because they think the grass is greener elsewhere.

So you boys are still fucked!!!

 

[ascii42]

I don't know if I agree with that. DRM, whatever... PC gaming is kinda dead and piracy is rampant.

but the issue seems to be DRM is a means to an end—the end of cutting down on resale. so, for me (and I assume most gamers) the issue is not being able to resell games and PC games have never had a great track record with that. more pertinently, PC was much quicker on the DD bandwagon than consoles were and DD, by nature, clamps down on reselling—and that's DD of any nature, whether it's apps, games, music, movies, etc.—so I don't think it was "necessary" on PC at all. It's the just the nature of moving to a digital future.

again, if Xbone had gone DD only—none of this would be an issue. because resale is not an expectation of digital goods, only physical goods.

True. However, if Xbone had gone DD only, that would introduce a completely different problem. Not everyone wants to, or is even able to download 30GB+ games.

 

[notoccupanther]

Yes. You would have to have the buyer add you as a friend, wait 30 days, and have the publisher allow game trading to a friend.

Yup ... and any viable possibility of Retro Gaming .. we're basically at the behest of the publishers whether what we've purchased will have any value in 10+ years time ..

 

[Clott]

I can live with everything on that list, being that I don't buy used and don't sell my games, but the 24 hour thing sucks, yes I have Internet all the time, but I live in NYC and my net has been down sometimes due to construction or of such things.

It's straight bullshit, I hate time limits in games, and the actual console has a built in time limit?

What?

PS4 for the fucking win.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Worst thing about the announcement has to be the 24 hour check in. Not only does it hurt fighting game fans it also is a blow against our troops. When deployed they don't have a stable internet connection so they can no longer play Xbone at base. All it will be is an overpriced cable box.

Yeah it's a dumb move. Especially considering the opening MS conference video of " we're gamers" had an actor who looked to be portraying a deployed soldier.

 

[Askherserenity]

I don't know what's going to be better...this meltdown or the one when the Xbone actually launches and their servers go to hell.

 

[Pyrrhus]

They wouldn't do all this egregious shit if they weren't certain Sony was going to follow suit. Dark times.

 

[Septimius]

Either I am sure by IP or a new family account for 10 people. So 1 person is primary and other 9 are subs. Makes most sense with that set up people would not bother. Especially since 1 idiot can get banned and all games are gone for everyone.

IP will not be the differentiator. NAT'ing is not the only network structure in place.

 

[PrivateRyan]

At this point, it really couldn't be clearer - Xbox One was made for publishers, not for us.

 

[Darknight]

So your rights as a consumer are very important to you...unless the price is right?

Nope but its one of the many reasons, PC DRM or steam, is so much better in so many ways thats its not comparable in any fucking sense to one another.

You are lying to yourself if you think Steam is the same with XB1 policies. If you cant accept reality than have fun letting MS ram it in you. Im not gonna sit here and tell you whats obvious to everyone but you since its been said numerous times here.

 

[quest]

Want to know why those steam deals happen in the first place? Because people can't resell and trade games to people. If people want a game on steam, they have to pay whatever the developer or publisher is charging for the game, meaning money is always going directly to the developer and publisher.

With such extra security and guarantees on their payments, it's no wonder that they will often get aggressive in pricing on some of their older games by selling them for $15, $10, or even less, because they can make a few extra, guaranteed bucks on the side, because there is no used games market to exclude them from reaping those benefits on Steam. The fact that nobody or so few on GAF, a site where we are, I guess, suppose to know more than the average mainstream gamer, gets this is simply mind boggling.

You get those deals on steam because there are no used games or game trading, period.

Must of missed the part were DD on PSN and XBL this generation could be sold or trade but the pricing was horrendous.

 

[legacyzero]

Not even the games can save this console at this point.

 

[YuriLowell]

Why do you think ios and android games / apps sell millions?

because they are free or .99 cents and people see them as disposable entertainment.

 

[Daingurse]

This is what stood out to me...





The circled one sounds great... but I don't understand how that doesn't get abused to hell as a giant 10 person share? Does it cost a million dollars a month?


The rest is 'if the publishers enable" which is mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

What you circled on paper sounds very legit. Hell if I could literally play a multiplayer game with my brother or stepfather simultaneously, while only purchasing 1 copy of a game . . . Well that's an actual incentive to get an Xbone . . .

 

[Brashnir]

Want to know why those steam deals happen in the first place? Because people can't resell and trade games to people. If people want a game on steam, they have to pay whatever the developer or publisher is charging for the game, meaning money is always going directly to the developer and publisher.

With such extra security and guarantees on their payments, it's no wonder that they will often get aggressive in pricing on some of their older games by selling them for $15, $10, or even less, because they can make a few extra, guaranteed bucks on the side, because there is no used games market to exclude them from reaping those benefits on Steam. The fact that nobody or so few on GAF, a site where we are, I guess, suppose to know more than the average mainstream gamer, gets this is simply mind boggling.

You get those deals on steam because there are no used games or game trading, period.

People couldn't sell games on demand on 360. Where were the deals?

Spoiler

there will be no deals.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Who is this Ben guy? I think I heard from Penny Arcade? Who were asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars for a podcast from a kickstarter?

 

[Baki]

Seems like the Internet backlash has made them reel things in a bit

 

[djplaeskool]

 

[PowerTaxi]

Do I still get 20 MSP on my birthday?

The most important question here tbh. I NEED that 25c.

 

[DOBERMAN INC]

Uhh wat

https://twitter.com/BenKuchera/status/342784210328776704

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" comes to mind.

 

[Community Forum]

What a world we live in.

 

[chubigans]

Nope, but nobody complains about Steam. I don't blame some people for not liking things, but many are being completely unreasonable. The most controversial thing in the entire policy is the requirement of an internet connection. Everything else sounds completely reasonable and like a decent compromise between what could have been a worse case scenario.

GAF was pissed about fees when giving games to friends or when trading them in or reselling.

Microsoft announces that there are no fees for giving games to friends or trading them in or reselling. GAF still pissed.

GAF was pissed about no used games.

Microsoft announces, unequivocally, that used games are definitely supported on Xbox One, and even describes how they are supported. GAF still pissed.



I'm calling bs on this one. People are reading way, way too much into how that was written lol. Seriously. By the very nature that any publisher will be releasing a game on Xbox One, all games will have to meet these requirements. You won't need to contact some publisher and get permission from them. People really do try to find new ways to complain...

Man, I can't believe I even thought for a second you had any inside knowledge whatsoever.

 

[3rdamention]

I swear, Microsoft couldn't be clear and concise if the entire company was on the line. That shit is so vague, oddly formulated and some of it reads completely wrong to me, can be interpreted in 3-4 different ways and people will have to discuss HOW to interpret this shit instead of actually discussing what it says.

Im sure they will offer more specific details at one of the Q and As after their show...

 

[SlowRevolution]

I can see this being a failure. If people start bringing it home and realize that they cant play without internet, there will be a huge backlash. Especially if PS4 doesn't require this.

But Microsoft has marketing money! And the Xbox brand name is huge!

sent from my Microsoft Surface

 

[Flo_Evans]

Nope. Not buying it.

 

[Cyport]

It'll be interesting to see who the participating retailers are across the world. I have a strong feeling that some countries will lag behind the US and means that it won't be possible to resale your game at all at most for a while after launch.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

the most important part!!

Partners!?! Youre an online service for christ sakes and you already rent movies and tv shows.......hellooooooooooo

 

[RedNumberFive]

TRUTHFACT: Ben Kuchera is human trash sucking on Microsoft's teat.

 

[ascii42]

That makes no sense at all. How will they know if they are really my family members and not my fellow students that want to play my games for free?

I'd guess all of the accounts have to be created on the same box.

 

[twinturbo2]

Stumpokapow bringing some rationality to this discussion. Let's see how this works in action and what happens next.

E3 is going to make or break MS, that's for sure. Will they bring it with the games, or will their DRM doom them to failure? We find out starting Monday.

Anyways, my iPhone battery is low and Game 1 of the NBA Finals is starting and I'm at Bayside getting dinner at the Hooters. I'll dive into this discussion tomorrow. Over and out.

 

[jschreier]

Remember when Harrison told Kotaku it'd be once every 24 hours and then Microsoft said that was a "potential scenario" lol

 

[ciridesu]

Want to know why those steam deals happen in the first place? Because people can't resell and trade games to people. If people want a game on steam, they have to pay whatever the developer or publisher is charging for the game, meaning money is always going directly to the developer and publisher.

With such extra security and guarantees on their payments, it's no wonder that they will often get aggressive in pricing on some of their older games by selling them for $15, $10, or even less, because they can make a few extra, guaranteed bucks on the side, because there is no used games market to exclude them from reaping those benefits on Steam. The fact that nobody or so few on GAF, a site where we are, I guess, suppose to know more than the average mainstream gamer, gets this is simply mind boggling.

You get those deals on steam because there are no used games or game trading, period.

What am I reading. These deals happen, because there is no competition? Ok.

 

[GreenTornadoX]

This gif is awesome.

Oh and a hearty FUCK YOU to Micro$oft!

 

[Marty Chinn]

Honestly, I think you could pretty well argue that every animated gif from every movie or television show fits this description.

I think the ep of Game of Thrones is still too recent to consider it fair use IMO.

 

[Tom Penny]

I can see this being a failure. If people start bringing it home and realize that they cant play without internet, there will be a huge backlash. Especially if PS4 doesn't require this.

Why buy the console if you don't have internet?

 

[Lambda Pie]

Do I still get 20 MSP on my birthday?

you get 2 for every family member.