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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Smug much?
Unknown Soldier
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More to the point, there's a reason why no company has ever sued any company which engages in rental or secondhand market in an attempt to enforce EULAs. Because they would end up before the US Supreme Court and all EULAs would be declared null and void. EULAs are entirely unenforceable because no one's dumb enough to try to enforce them.
In the EU, I do believe that explicit laws already supersede EULAs and allow resale and trade of used software, even PC software.
greendomo's ghost
Member
Hopefully the 360 has a good lifespan after the launch of the Xbone. I love my 360, but I have no desire to jump in to this next generation that Microsoft is peddling. The cost is too great, and the benefits seem minimal at best.
hydrophilic attack
Member
So as you seem to be in favour of this I gather that you don't care about lending and borrowing games and would always pay full price for new games?
How come then I can find you begging for free games in your post history?
Thanks!
NeededSleep
Member
So the 1 hour you have to play your account and games at someone else house, does that include the downloading of the game, or does it seamlessly/stream play the game for that 1 hour? Wonder what the size of the next gen game will be too.
NullPointer
Member
You have to be online to download a game - the one hour timer is for offline play.
NeededSleep
Member
ahh gotcha. thanks
You need to be connected to get to your games anyway. Why worry about the hour if you're already connected?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I'll give you One Xbox for 500$. Deal?
Are you calling the people in that thread beggars? Al of them? Is that the best you could come up with after trawling through my posts? Are you 10 years old?
Anyone who says that this is exactly like Steam please GTFO outta here.
#1. I can play Steam in offline mode for a long time as it doesn't have the BS of phoning home every 24 hours.
#2. Due to the PC platform all titles on Steam are backwards compatible which is something Microsoft has shown they don't do considering your XBLA games are not playable on the Xbox one.
#3. There is absolutely no reason to believe that there will be sales on Xbox live like there is on Steam. All of the Game On Demand games on Xbox Live as WAY over priced and almost never come down.
So again all of the disadvantages of Steam, none of the advantages.
#1. I can play Steam in offline mode for a long time as it doesn't have the BS of phoning home every 24 hours.
#2. Due to the PC platform all titles on Steam are backwards compatible which is something Microsoft has shown they don't do considering your XBLA games are not playable on the Xbox one.
#3. There is absolutely no reason to believe that there will be sales on Xbox live like there is on Steam. All of the Game On Demand games on Xbox Live as WAY over priced and almost never come down.
So again all of the disadvantages of Steam, none of the advantages.
Mr. Saturn
Member
Yeah because anyone who disagrees is obviously part of an echo chamber, next you'll tell us about the mythical GAF hivemind.
Answer:
It doesn't exist.
Its sad when you blindly become the sheep Microsoft wants you to be. Tell me will you and bendz be smiling when you can't play your games if live goes down for more than 24 hours?
The single most important distinction, IMO. I'm wary of buying digital titles that will only be playable on a single console generation.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I honestly think X1's greatest competition will not come from sony, but the 360.
Why on earth would you upgrade?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I think we evolved from the hivemind theory to the Sony fanboi Internet Stronghold theory.
hydrophilic attack
Member
No I'm not calling you all beggars. I have nothing against that thread, at all.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "begging".
But I am calling you, personally, a hypocrite
shinra-bansho
Member
Yes, you're right.
Everyone who has a problem with the restriction of resale, lending, gifting and a forced 24-hour internet-based DRM on a physically purchased retail good is being "unreasonable."
BabeSlayer
Member
When people come in with conflicting ideas and they get shouted down or cast out by the majority. Ya i'll go ahead and call it as I see it. LOL
It was amusing at first, now I generally just try and stay away....but to each their own. Like I said i'll enjoy both my shiny new consoles and hope they both get fantastic games.
And just so you are aware its people "agreeing" that make an echo chamber, not disagreement, I'm assuming you know that but your comment read otherwise. I have nothing against MS haters personally. I just think the mentality has been taken a bit over-board. I hate my fair share of companies to, but doesn't mean I demonize them, and verbally abuse those who support them.
Anyway i've already wasted far more time on this thread/issue than I really care to so good luck bro.
Well adoption is going to be super slow this time due to the insane amount of cross generation games. But eventually call of duty 8 won't be available on 360.
Especially when it's as arbitrary as this. Multiplayer dependent games are a different story, if the playerbase doesn't stay then it's irrelevant (case in point: the MLB 12 shut down that is apparently inconsequential due to no one actually being there), but this is an ENTIRE LIBRARY, and we could potentially lose a lot of truly great games as a result.
It's the big reason to want it just straight killed really, it's always a risk with DD and online dependent games, but this elevates it to the next level potentially. And as such it may be better to have it's potential impact curtailed rather than to permit it to spread, or for Microsoft to stick around and stubbornly cling to the DRM anyway as I'd imagine they would if there isn't a huge upheaval within the company in the near future.
The "only loan to one friend" policy really gets to me but ultimately it's probably not enough to not buy the system.
No it's the mandatory Kinect that's causing me hesitation. I simply don't have the space under my TV for an ugly black bar that I don't want to use. My center speaker takes up most of that space and I'm certainly not moving that. Definitely giving me pause. We'll see what happens at E3.
No it's the mandatory Kinect that's causing me hesitation. I simply don't have the space under my TV for an ugly black bar that I don't want to use. My center speaker takes up most of that space and I'm certainly not moving that. Definitely giving me pause. We'll see what happens at E3.
shinra-bansho
Member
What conflicting idea exactly are you bringing to the table? What grand discourse beyond: this new member is right, you're all being unreasonable?
ColonelColon
Member
Does Steam's offline mode really have a 30 day limit? It never really worked well for me until fairly recently, but I thought that you could play offline indefinitely.
Bendz care to try to debate me on this? Quit saying its like Steam cause its not.
Wasn't Modern Warfare 3 the eighth Call of Duty game? But yeah, I know what you mean.
Alebrije
Member
Poor crab
We are the crab.
weekend_warrior
Banned
It's not a 1 hour time limit, it's a 1 hour online check, similar to the 24 hour check for all games, except it's shorter because you're not using your normal console.
Passive aggressive much?
No I'm not calling you all beggars. I have nothing against that thread, at all.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "begging".
But I am calling you, personally, a hypocrite
I can get a PSN, XBL or Steam code from any number of places. I could post on boards, Facebook... What's your point?
I am calling you, personally, not very bright. At all.
Lol yeah there's none of that in this thread.
hydrophilic attack
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Well, my point is that I think you would need a fair bit of cognitive dissonance to embrace the anti-sharing policies of Xbone, while asking for a free copy of a bundle sold for charity.
Well you just called the entire thread an echo chamber, then signed off with a "good luck bro".
That won't convince anyone.
Mr. Saturn
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Ah yes, you are correct about the echo chamber comment, it would have been more clear if I had said, that multiple people agreeing or coming to the same conclusion doesn't necessarily mean its an echo chamber.
The disagreeing part, was more referring to the large number of people in disagreement with the article that was posted, but were in agreement with each other,(that the premise of the article was faulty)
I could have made my post more clear though, you're right.
Anyway if people are actually getting verbally abused for expressing positive interest in the x1, (and they aren't corporate shills) then yes, that is wrong. Microsoft itself getting demonized, well who gives a shit, they're a corporation, I'm sure they can handle a little admittedly extreme (and warranted in my humble opinion) criticism
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You mean conflicting wrong ideas like EULA which was proven bullshit by several posters?
And MS haters?. This is not about companies damn it!. Is about losing our rights that we have been enjoying from the last 30 years in gaming. The same fucking excuses over and over again. "Is just Sony fans hating MS!", "Is like Steam" and a large etc... that have been exposed with counterarguments and people still bring them to the table like broken machines.
ShinobiFist
Banned
Word. I don't understand how people don't see it.
crimsonspider89
Banned
THis isn't about hating. This is about damn consumer rights.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
Really if that is your only argument, you are the one who needs to reread and rethink.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
Really if that is your only argument, you are the one who needs to reread and rethink.
It's not, but it's not far off...
Full disclosure, I play a lot of PC games and most of them are on my Steam account.
Best case scenario. You know that you are going to be offline for a while, so you make sure that you have all the games you need downloaded, patched and good to go. Some games still don't work offline, though the majority will for 30 days (last time I looked?).
Now let's say that I have played the hell out of a game and I want to lend it to you on Steam. I can't. I can gift you a game, but only if I haven't activated it.
Now I want to sell a game I own on Steam. Don't think you can do that.
Worst case scenario. Internet is down and I want to play a SteamWorks game offline. I might have the disk, can install it but.. can't play it.
In any case I can't rent a game and DRM means that there is no trade in value or second hand games market.
Um, that wasn't me. Just saying.
MrMephistoX
Member
We're on the same page I wouldn't mind the BS DRM as long as the service is superior to owning a retail copy like on STEAM. Half the reason I sell games on ebay is that I can unlock $40 esentially making the sunk cost $20 for something I might never play again. If prices for digital were lower than at retail by default or sharply discounted within months of release to that $20 for poor sellers Id just as soon keep the game rather than get $10 selling it. When I buy a game for $20 on steam I don't really care that I can't trade it in for $1 at GameStop. Same with movies, if there were a truly kick ass rental service or $5 digital ownership I'd stop buying blu rays for the convenience of an HD library at my fingertips.
WrenchNinja
Member
Boom boom boom boom another one bites the dust
bye
This is factually incorrect. If you put Steam into offline mode and have your credentials saved in advance, it will work forever offline. Of course, YMMV with specific games, but Steam itself has no offline time limit.
Indeed. My apologies.
Hooray!
Don't know how he thought he would get away with it. Maybe he didn't care. Ah well.
There are several threads about how different Steam is from Xbox One's draconian policies. No matter how much you defend it the 24 hour check in knee caps a ton of gamers.
Too late, gone. Guess my report worked.
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