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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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FiveMinuteHero
Member
Well to be honest, Xbox 360 was never officially sold in my country. PS3 was officially sold though, and we still don't have access to a PS Store, so it is interesting how Sony will tackle this.
test_account
XP-39C²
Or do like Barney, hook it straigh into the vein hehe.
I see. Yeah, it will be interesting to see indeed
It's a slow process for sure, but it's happening. There's a verdict from the EU court of justice against Oracle saying that first sale applies to digital downloads as well. Claiming it's a license changes nothing. If that stands, Valve will have to comply and make second hand sales available for EU customers. But I guess someone will have to sue Valve first.
Another drinking game:
- Everytime Don Mattrick makes an facial expression like a dog, do it!
- Everytime Phil Spencer walks like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons with a stick up his ass, do it!
- A dumb remark by any kid or BRODUDE ( nohomo) actors, do it!
- Sony talking about PS2 , hell yeah do it!
- Everytime a dumb CGI movie is shown, to show a "vision", do it!
- Everytime Don Mattrick makes an facial expression like a dog, do it!
- Everytime Phil Spencer walks like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons with a stick up his ass, do it!
- A dumb remark by any kid or BRODUDE ( nohomo) actors, do it!
- Sony talking about PS2 , hell yeah do it!
- Everytime a dumb CGI movie is shown, to show a "vision", do it!
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
That is quite good.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Might wanna edit that.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
im guessing CEX will probs be the next retail shop to close ? they purely do used items only
Was at my good buddy's lakehouse today, had a massive 1080p flatscreen but no internet connection. No problem, we hooked up his 360 and enjoyed some beers and 1080p GoW goodness.
A simple experience that would not have been possible on the Xbox One.
Anecdotal evidence, blah blah, all that, yes I know. But this single event has guaranteed I will not be picking up an XB1 as long as the daily or hourly check in is required.
If you buy an XB1 and buy games for it, you are taking it on faith that MS will keep the authentication servers up and running reliably for as long as you want to play that game. Think about all the people that still like to enjoy SNES/N64/PS1/Dreamcast/etc games today. Do you think those games would still be working if they required server authentication?
A simple experience that would not have been possible on the Xbox One.
Anecdotal evidence, blah blah, all that, yes I know. But this single event has guaranteed I will not be picking up an XB1 as long as the daily or hourly check in is required.
If you buy an XB1 and buy games for it, you are taking it on faith that MS will keep the authentication servers up and running reliably for as long as you want to play that game. Think about all the people that still like to enjoy SNES/N64/PS1/Dreamcast/etc games today. Do you think those games would still be working if they required server authentication?
Why would they need to would be the first question I would ask. 360 games can't run from the HDD without a disc, nor do they ship with a single use code that allows them to.
I love how "make better games" and "make our games better" seem to be tertiary options. It's like how 3-4 years ago all these video game industry experts were touting "Zynga is the next big thing" and "Farmville- it's the game of the future" and so on and so forth. Really, it was just the newest tamagotchi/gigapet fad.
Xbox One is going to be Simcity 2013 all over again, only bigger and worse.
Xbox One is going to be Simcity 2013 all over again, only bigger and worse.
Ryan242004
Member
I'm pretty sure it's going to be Gold or go home. This is the perfect chance for them to get rid of silver and revamp the pricing structure. I can't wait to see how bad they will screw up this part!
A shame if it happens. I find the staff there very pleasant and educated. Certainly better than my local Gamestation.
Hmm no, cause they end every second sentence with that. Pretty insecure, aren't they?
Yeah bro, you're awesome, dude!! (Nohomo)
Educated in what, Weird playlists of shit music and full sleeve tattoos?
Remember how Gold is to access online features?
Well, the cloud and playing games requires an online connection......
Uh oh
sechsterangriff
Member
When the European Comission wants to make an example or needs an extra few hundred million euros you can bet things can move quickly. Just ask Microsoft.
I genuinely hate what's happening here. It's not that it wasn't known that it's happening for months now, but the fact that it's now confirmed by MS and finally going ahead. I can't even enjoy the upcoming E3 event thanks to them. It sucks to have this cloud hanging over everything. And the worriesome thing is that they're going to push full steam ahead; they have the money, the marketing power, and currently, they have the mindshare in the US, that they can potentially be successful there. It's that trepidation that won't be eased until the console is out and I can see how it's performing in that market. I just hope that's not the case, because if it works, then things are just going to inevitably go south in the future. When you accept things, and you allow them to happen, then it's just easy for everyone else to go with the flow too.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Pretty funny
semiconscious
Member
Holy shit this had me creasing. Amazing video.
Haha, it wasn't. I'm just really disappointed right now, or since a few days ago. As a gamer, there are some games that I really enjoy on the Xbox, like Halo, which I'm naturally going to miss out on now because I can't support this system. More importantly though, what they're doing, if it succeeds, then everything changes. If they show that this can succeed, and if people in the US accept it (who I imagine MS are going to market aggressively too), then it's a dangerous precedent to set. Even companies who may not be going that route, could end up going that route in the long-term future. I hope MS fails, falls flat on their ass, and are forced to re-evaluate how they're doing things.intentional?
According to him, if the "technology" existed in 1985, Nintendo would have used it? Does he not realize that the "technology" is now available to Nintendo and they don't use it?
SwiftDeath
Member
I agree with your sentiment
If the X1 does well, then this is the future of gaming
Game ownership is dead
And yes I am aware of what VG EULA's have said for a long time but if they sell me a game, I own a game NOT the right to play that game but an actual copy of the game, MY copy of the game
So any guesses as to what publishers will blame next for poor game sales?
No valid piracy or used game arguement to hide behind
I highly doubt they're going to go "yep we messed up. Game was crap"
I think next publisher complaint is going to be review scores
Don't worry though for the Xbox Two, all review scores will be populated by the cloud
All scores will be a random number from 9 - 10 out of 10
Surely CEX is big enough to become an authorized retailer of Microsofts scheme. I've started using them recently since I like to clear out all the crap I have collected at the end of a console gen. They offer far better trade in value than the competition around here.
Same here. I literally couldn't care what games get announced tomorrow. Xbox is out of the question forever. All Sony has to do is not announce a similar DRM scheme and I'm sold.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Very well done. Thanks for that.
We're heading in that direction already. I go to my local Best Buy and the CD racks are bare, most people now just stream or buy their music online. Left and right video outlets have closed down making it near impossible to find a place to rent a hard copy movie. That's all being streamed by your local provider along with NetFlix. Games are the last medium to put up a fight. This is likely the last generation of physical games but then again Nintendo is usually at least 5 years behind the tech spectrum.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yes and no in my mind
Very much the case with music where physical media is usually only bought by purists/collectors etc.
But there's a large chunk of consumers who still buy blu-rays as they prefer a higher quality of video and streaming services are unreliable, downloads quickly hit bandwidth caps
In my mind as we move into 4k movies, physical media for movies will very much still be alive and not restricted like games will be
The X1 should've just been a digital only console, not that I would be any more willing to buy it mind you but at least then it's honest about its intentions
I think the PS4 looks fantastic and we'll wait and see what the drm situation is with that, but I don't get people loosing their minds over the 24 hour check in thing. At some point, progress requires change and change can be painful. It's the same thing with backwards compatibility. At some point, carrying all this stuff into future generations becomes a hindrance to progress. My internet is great. If I can't game for an hour because my internet is down I'm not going to loose my mind. I've never used Steam offline mode. I don't want to be accused of being MS defence force, but there's not much to say about the PS4, they've only talked about games. We are yet to get the details on how their DRM will work.
SwiftDeath
Member
I fully expect the PS4 to come out with similar DRM policies to be honest
This must have been brought to the console makers by a coalition of the biggest publishers, EA probably leading the charge
So I see no reason to believe PS4 will come without similar restrictions
So my question to you is at what point is progress not worth the freedoms, rights, and benefits you have to sacrifice to participate?
Why do I need Microsoft's permission to play my games?
Games that I pay full ticket price for?
No, no thank you
I am out, plain and simple
The publishers don't want my business, that's up to them but I'm done. This is where I draw the line, this is where I will not compromise, where I will not give into their anti-consumer bullcrap
DC1
Member
The good news has been confirmed and quoted hundreds of times: Sony will not implement a check-in requirement at the console level - You can take you PS4 and TV on an island with two outlets and have at it.
I'm sure there will be some DRM (i.e. publisher level), However, not as restricted as MS.
-At this rate Online pass seems fantastic... Here's hoping that's all Sony will expound on.
SwiftDeath
Member
I would love nothing more than Sony to announce no DRM on a console level but from what I've read and from the quotes I've seen. There's no actual statement that Sony isn't providing Publishers with the DRM tool, just that Sony won't require it on their games
In my mind Sony could have pretty much the same system as X1 but let you play games in offline mode if that game had been registered (authenticated) online at a previous point
This would of course be for 3rd party games not 1st party
I am curious to hear if Sony 1st party games are truly DRM free but the quotes talk about online game registration. There are other forms of DRM to my knowledge
Bah perhaps I'm cynical after all this MS crap
Perhaps Sony will give me a reasonable console, one that allows me to play my games without anyone's permission
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Same. All the online pass, DLC-laden nonsense of the past gen has been a massive turn-off to me, and I must have halved the amount of games I bought compared to the PS2. I don't want to battle "the man" when I try to purchase or play a game anymore. If it's not on disc and plug and play, I'm out.
Cheesemeister
Member
From CBOAT, translated by Alr1ght. Thought this was very important given the press release by Microsoft and the detail about lending etc not being available at launch, and that it would be sorted out later. Scary stuff.
Sony, please for the love of everything good don't follow this route.
CBOAT said:
Sony, please for the love of everything good don't follow this route.
The thing about Microsoft using DSL for the launch of the OG Xbox is that there was not any competition in terms of consoles as far as online goes. Dreamcast was dead by the time the OG Xbox was released and Nintendo only had PSO as far as online for the GameCube goes. Even Sony did not push online anywhere near as much for the PS2 as MS did with OG Xbox.
If you guys read this particular segment of the Licensing page here.
And now link it with CBOAT's (translated) comments.
GAF thread here.
TEH FIANAL LOVDOWN. shufflemoveto the infooplace!
It seems like it really could be worse than it seems now, and that Microsoft really may attempt to just brush it under the rug. The key point here is that lending and loaning won't actually be available at launch according to their very own press release, and if we're to believe CBOAT (who has a crazy good record), maybe these things might not come in to proper fruition at all?
Thoughts and predictions?
Microsoft said:
And now link it with CBOAT's (translated) comments.
GAF thread here.
TEH FIANAL LOVDOWN. shufflemoveto the infooplace!
CBOAT said:
It seems like it really could be worse than it seems now, and that Microsoft really may attempt to just brush it under the rug. The key point here is that lending and loaning won't actually be available at launch according to their very own press release, and if we're to believe CBOAT (who has a crazy good record), maybe these things might not come in to proper fruition at all?
Thoughts and predictions?
You should read what CBoat posted. He basically said it was MS who pushed DRM idea and the big 3 sorta agreed to it. So its possibly that Sony doesnt have to do this as it wasnt something 3rd partied wanted in the first place. Things not looking for MS still though as these leaks make them look worse.
Oh and DRM policy is worse than what we know, now....and its coming soon!
weekend_warrior
Banned
My only prediction is that MS won't mention or be willing to talk about anything DRM related at E3, I fully expect them to try and sweep the entire thing under the rug. I don't think we'll learn anything new about what Sony wants to do either, except maybe final clarification that the PS4 won't require an internet connect at all.
Would also explain why they cancelled the meetings or questionnaires with journo's etc.
At this point they probably don't want to talk about anything else until Sony has tipped their hand at least a little.
If they try to sweep something under the rug like this on the internet... where nothing is forgotten, well then I just don't understand Microsoft as a company. It's better to get ahead of this shit and own it. This wishy-washy stuff reeks of a lack of confidence in their own product.
I feel like I'm in bizarro land when I think of this console. Like, MS's building a fucking Atari Jaguar in 2013, a fucking Virtual Boy even. WTF are they thinking?!
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