Audioboxer
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Days later this still seems like its all a bad dream. What a huge pile of wet, warm dogshit one foot of the games industry has stepped in. Hope Sony don't think putting the other foot in is going to bring any good.
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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Wolves Evolve
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This thread has been so excellent to watch the last few dozen pages. Thoroughly enjoyed the pre-E3 hysteria. Modifying my yearly GAF game to be:
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
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- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
NeoGAF E3 Drinking Game
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- Anytime a junior member chimes in an Xbox One thread with "just like Steam", take a drink.
- Anytime any member says "it's the future, deal with it", take a drink.
- Anytime a member uses religious reverence to discuss Kazuo Hirai, take a drink.
- Anytime a member whines about PS3 games not being on PS4, take a drink.
- Anytime a member starts a Wii U thread with the word 'comeback' in the title, take a drink.
- Anytime a member with a Link avatar says they're happy with their Wii U, take a drink.
RIP to the future participants. Alcohol poisoning is no joke.
This overstep already exists - its called XBL.
Just wait until someone reports you for something you didn't do because you just happened to kill him in COD and you get a permaban because MS shoots first and often doesn't ask questions later.
This already happens. But next gen its not just your Halo or CoD maps - its the entire fucking game.
Yeah no. There is no polishing this fucking turd. I don't give a shit what systems MS puts in place to ease the blow they will never be able to live this shit down. Nothing short of giving it and its games away for free will change my mind.
Even if they completely remove all restrictions - this is MS - they won't stop trying to squeeze that shit in.
Want a cut of used games? Fine - make your deals with Gamestop, MS, don't fuck the consumer in the process. Leave us out of this shit.
Shit, you'd even get water poisoning following his game.
DC1
Member
Sounds like you don't have automatic login confirmed.
You must be new to the PSN.
Good luck and enjoy.
DC1
Member
Wickerbasket
Member
graywolf323
Member
he might have it where it asks his password for each purchase
Do you know of specific games on Steam that have offline time limits? I'm curious.
R_thanatos
Member
This isnt a game.Its a death wish
There does not seem to be a legal problem with purely single-seat-licensed software today, say, Windows installation media that have no value beyond that of a coaster without the license key. You can try selling those just fine. It's just that people already know they're worthless, so you'll have a hard time finding a buyer. And if you do, they'll complain that you cheated them.
So no, I don't think they need to complement the disc with cloud content to make this practice legal.
Nah, this is a legitimate complaint. This is a behavioural change introduced a couple months ago or so. It does not depend on your automatic PSN sign-in setting. It only depends on your "ask for password on checkout" setting. Which makes some sense if you think about the technicalities maybe. But it makes no sense to me in any case to prompt for your password for free items, and that's exactly what's happening now.
My rationale to leave the password prompt setting enabled is that I have my CC data tied to my PSN account, and I do not want to open up a mechanism that could charge money from my card to my PSN wallet without my immediate express consent. Prompt on CC charge is the behaviour I actually want. Prompting on checkout of items that cost money is close enough though.
However, again, the current behaviour is to prompt every time you check out, even if your cart's total cost is zero.
The compounding factor is that you can no longer add free items to your cart. You can only start the download immediately. But this is internally the same as checking out a single item, hence you get one password prompt for every free item you download.
BlastProcessing
Member
I will say that the Copyright Software Rental Amendments Act of 1990 Draws a specific line between computer software and dedicated video game console games. This was a clarification necessary to outlaw the rental of computer software but still allow the rental of console games. Legally, computer software and dedicated console software are different things.
Explain to me why the DRM system of video game is so much worse than downloanable movie and music DRM? The DRM of the music world basically collapsed under its owe weight. What make MS think the consumers are willing to accept these terms? For starters, I doubt this will work at all outside of US and Europe.
Look forward to system meltdown and other disaster when this DRM system go live.
Look forward to system meltdown and other disaster when this DRM system go live.
family_guy
Member
How is this a legitimate complaint? Free or not free, the system is verifying that you are you by prompting you for a password, which you decided to leave that way. it's a security verification, not a cart amount verification.
I think we'd have alcohol poisoning on the bolded point alone
cormack12
Gold Member
It's not just about money though, you might have it set that way so your kid doesn't download 'M' rated demo's etc.
Microsoft seems to want to micromanage everyone's activity...so either you'll buy it or not.... Now about used games I haven't been really up to speed with things but why don't they do this: games normally sell well for about 1 year, if it's a money issue, they why not release the insane rules on games and game lending after that one year period... it would be fair to the companies and to the consumers.
1. Keep rules on game for 1 year so that companies can complain less about making money.
2. After 1 year passes release the locks/strict rules on game so that the consumers can be happy.
As I said I am not fully aware of the detail but I'd like you opinion or a reason why it wouldn't work or how this could be better implemented.
1. Keep rules on game for 1 year so that companies can complain less about making money.
2. After 1 year passes release the locks/strict rules on game so that the consumers can be happy.
As I said I am not fully aware of the detail but I'd like you opinion or a reason why it wouldn't work or how this could be better implemented.
Mr. Enigma
Member
*sigh*
Some of this hysteria is getting out of control. There is no way they can do that with the 360. It wasn't designed that way.
NullPointer
Member
They wouldn't do it but there's nothing technically there to stop them. A firmware update that requires a phone home within a 24 hour period of launching any games or apps? Completely doable, as is locking out any consoles using the old firmware from xbox live.
Again, they *wouldn't* do this for a million reasons. Its not even the slightest worry, just saying that its not impossible, or even difficult.
tatotiburon
Member
I don't know eBay but amazon can become one of the authorized retailers on Xbox one easily
paolo11
Member
I know. My apologies. It's just that I fear that this DRM can be the future of gaming. I never want that to happen.
You see, unless every household in the world has constant Internet access, I don't mind 24 hour check in online but the thing is, Internet is still a luxury for many most especially in 3rd world countries. I am not happy with Microsoft's decision about this.
Amazon can become authorized, but the private vendors and such in the used sales sections will be obliterated.
Not offhand, but some games have their own online DRM checks in addition to Steam's DRM.
EDIT: Wiki page with Steam games containing 3rd party DRM (not all of these have online checks): http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_3rd_Party_DRM_on_Steam
How so?
Very nicely done. Awesome.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Louis Cyphre said:
I've been thinking about this, and it occurred to me to wonder what specifically starts the countdowns for these timed checks. Is it per machine, per account, or per title because obviously each of represents a stepped increase in frequency for checking.
At the moment I'm assuming the countdown is set (check performed?) when you log-in on a specific account because it needs to be able to tell the difference depending on whether this the "owner's" machine or they are logged in elsewhere.
Whichever way it actually works, I suspect the handshake where it validates your rights are going to happen in practice a lot more frequently than the times they suggest.
a)There is no option to configure the exact limits of what can and cannot be done before a password prompt. There is no setting to prompt on a transaction involving money. There is only a setting to prompt on every transaction, including free transactions.
b)The shop session does not remember an already established password authentication. Even if you stay inside the shop, you get prompted repeatedly. You can't combine multiple free items into a single prompt because there no longer is a choice to go through a cart for free items.
It's a hassle and unnecessary. Good UX design should avoid unnecessary hassle. Asking for better UX is legitimate.
legacyzero
Banned
Must have high alcohol tolerance on Planet Fuck haha
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
dont update ?
Mr. Enigma
Member
If the 360 is any indication, it would be best to consider any meaningful functionality of anything will be behind the pay wall.
krypt0nian
Banned
AMAZING!
This is what a man who doesn't want to get to the end of Monday with a functioning liver looks like people.
ChosenPredator
Banned
if this game had anytime someone mentions "With kinect" this entire place would have alcohol poisoning
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Can I add more rules?
Nintendo:
Anyone that mentions nostalgia, have a drink
Anyone that mentions gimmick, have a drink
Anyone that mentions new IPs, have a drink.
Nintendo:
Anyone that mentions nostalgia, have a drink
Anyone that mentions gimmick, have a drink
Anyone that mentions new IPs, have a drink.
Any time anyone in a press conference uses the world content.
Although I have no interesting in the Xbox One, I'd really like to see which games from which publishers will feature the no resale rule/transfer fees. Lets see which publishers are truly the worst, if any even dare to do it.
Someone posted earlier about box arts maybe mentioning that a game can/can't be resold. That's a very good point, they're going to need some way of communicating this.
Someone posted earlier about box arts maybe mentioning that a game can/can't be resold. That's a very good point, they're going to need some way of communicating this.
FiveMinuteHero
Member
I have a question, maybe someone can answer it, I'd appreciate it.
I live in one of those many countries (Malta) that do not have Xbox Live access (thanks to Microsoft's lazyness and crap ways of doing things). So, I am assuming that if I buy a game for the Xbox One from a local store, it will come with a code which I have to enter to validate my purchase and be able to play the game.
QUESTION: If there is no Xbox Live for my country how the heck am I supposed to input the code?
This situation would be identical for me if Sony decide to adopt the same system for the PS4.
Thanks in advance
Edit: Yes, I can create a fake account on a different country, but wouldn't breaking the TOS to legitimate my purchase, illogical?
I live in one of those many countries (Malta) that do not have Xbox Live access (thanks to Microsoft's lazyness and crap ways of doing things). So, I am assuming that if I buy a game for the Xbox One from a local store, it will come with a code which I have to enter to validate my purchase and be able to play the game.
QUESTION: If there is no Xbox Live for my country how the heck am I supposed to input the code?
This situation would be identical for me if Sony decide to adopt the same system for the PS4.
Thanks in advance
Edit: Yes, I can create a fake account on a different country, but wouldn't breaking the TOS to legitimate my purchase, illogical?
I'm really unsure the Xbox drm system for used games will fly in the EU. We have a clear right, defined by Strasbourg, to sell both physical and electronic copies of licensed software.
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf
Having said that, on current form, it'll take around 6 or 7 years before we'd even get a decision on the Xbone DRM from the court.
http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf
Having said that, on current form, it'll take around 6 or 7 years before we'd even get a decision on the Xbone DRM from the court.
test_account
XP-39C²
I have a question, maybe someone can answer it, I'd appreciate it.
I live in one of those many countries (Malta) that do not have Xbox Live access (thanks to Microsoft's lazyness and crap ways of doing things). So, I am assuming that if I buy a game for the Xbox One from a local store, it will come with a code which I have to enter to validate my purchase and be able to play the game.
QUESTION: If there is no Xbox Live for my country how the heck am I supposed to input the code?
This situation would be identical for me if Sony decide to adopt the same system for the PS4.
Thanks in advance
Edit: Yes, I can create a fake account on a different country, but wouldn't breaking the TOS to legitimate my purchase, illogical?
That is a good question. Maybe Xbox One wont be officially sold in the countries that doesnt have Xbox Live?
Yeah, i dont think that the EU will do much about this. As you say, it will probably take a long time before anything is being done. Look at PC gaming for example, many physical discs cant be resold (well, they can, but they are useless without a online activation code). Its been like this for years now, but EU havnt done anything about it.
Mermandala
Member
With these drinking game rules you might as well just watch E3 submerged inside a tank of booze.
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