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Kotaku: Bethesda is misleading gamers about Prey 2, Arkane is in fact making game
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Prey 2 demo looked very cool, but Arkane is a better studio than Human Heads so yeah if this is true I don't mind it.
iirc Prey sold million something back in 2006, take the extra years and sales and steam and other stuff and you get an IP followed by many people who are ready and want a sequel, way better than starting a new IP.
iirc Prey sold million something back in 2006, take the extra years and sales and steam and other stuff and you get an IP followed by many people who are ready and want a sequel, way better than starting a new IP.
sakipon
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Me neither. This doesn't seem worthy of any detective work really.
Human Head was developing Prey 2.
Bethesda/Zenimax stopped paying the developer, justifying the action by citing quality issues at milestones.
Bethesda has done this several times before. Zenimax then starts loaning the developer money to keep them afloat while they try to meet the milestones.
At one point, Zenimax stops loaning them money and demands payment. The studio is forced into selling themselves to Zenimax/Bethesda in order to stay open.
Human Head refused to play ball and just stopped working on the game. Bethesda/Zenimax recently gave the IP to Arkane.
Neuromancer
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It's one thing to say 'no comment' or 'we don't respond to rumors or speculation.' Behaving in this manner is fairly unusual. Anyway if you're not interested in the content of the thread feel free to leave.
GalacticSushiman
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This is a very... industry position.
Do you work there per chance?
I mean they just gave an interview where they said this was a lie: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...Feed:+RockPaperShotgun+(Rock,+Paper,+Shotgun)
Prey 2:
This is a very 'fan of video games' position, do you happen to be one of those?
I did not know about this specific interview, but still, I agree that 'no comment' would have been preferable, but don't you think the journos/audience would have not taken it literally?
EC posted a summary of the Prey 2 development history in the last thread:
Kotaku broke the story that Arkane was working on Prey 2. After that representatives from Bethesda and Arkane outright denied that Arkane were working on it.
As it turns out now this was a outright lie.
seems shady as fuck
petethepanda
Member
...that we know of. :O
Remachinate
Member
Well done.
dragonbane
Member
You hear that Jason? You are a press sneak fuck lol
The whole Bethesda/Zennimax publisher thing always seems so sketchy.
Human Head basically pours into Prey 2 and Zennimax seemingly tries to force them into a corner to make them an internal like Arkane, then Human Head just basically goes naw we out and limps away. This leaves Bethesda/Zennimax with whatever lump of game Human Head made and whenever anyone asks, they basically treat it like Human Head's failure.
Now Arkane, an internal studio, is having a go at it.
No one but Human Head loses out on this imo. Too many stories about Zennimax make me believe they do nothing but give out help with one hand and bend studios over with the other to fuck them in the ass.
Human Head basically pours into Prey 2 and Zennimax seemingly tries to force them into a corner to make them an internal like Arkane, then Human Head just basically goes naw we out and limps away. This leaves Bethesda/Zennimax with whatever lump of game Human Head made and whenever anyone asks, they basically treat it like Human Head's failure.
Now Arkane, an internal studio, is having a go at it.
No one but Human Head loses out on this imo. Too many stories about Zennimax make me believe they do nothing but give out help with one hand and bend studios over with the other to fuck them in the ass.
Army of Two, Crackdown, and Lost Planet were fairly big sellers early this generation. People buy games at the beginning of a generation, because they are open to new things. A lot of these new IPs aren't really new franchise material. How often is Prey brought up in best of the generation conversations? I'm surprised Arkane studios would focus on a sequel to that over Dishonored.
This is a very... industry position. Do you work there per chance?
Almost sounds like a "yes" to me.This is a very 'fan of video games' position, do you happen to be one of those?
edit: googled, galacticsushi1 is apparently a Ubisoft Montreal employee. I assume that's you then.
That`s it! Prey 1 was a shooter with an american indian and aliens, Prey 2 had another story on a futurist planet. I asked me after the E3 2011, Prey? That`s a bad name for this game.
For all intents and purposes, the Human Head version of Prey 2 would have essentially been a new IP.
Looked like a completely different game.
I believe someone mentioned in the past thread that if Bethesda doesn't use the IP it defaults back to the Radar Group.
I'm not sure of the legitimacy of this claim.
dragonbane
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Neuromancer
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Wikipedia says Human Head helped out on Bioshock Infinite and Defiance, anyone know if that's true? It's not sourced.
Man they've still got Prey 2 on their official studio site. I wonder what is going on over there.
Man they've still got Prey 2 on their official studio site. I wonder what is going on over there.
This is a very... industry position.
Do you work there per chance?
are you joking or actually asking
Man, considering the history of the Prey "series" this is yet another in its long history of complete fuckery.
I remember reading about the first "Prey" back in 95 in PC Gamer. I'm totally not surprised about the situation on Prey 2.
What is it about FPS games from the 90s that end up in development hell that eventually get released after decades floundering?
I remember reading about the first "Prey" back in 95 in PC Gamer. I'm totally not surprised about the situation on Prey 2.
What is it about FPS games from the 90s that end up in development hell that eventually get released after decades floundering?
Triggerhappytel
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There have been too many horror stories about Zenimax over the years. There's no smoke without fire, and all that. They sound like they've got shitty, shady business practices.
I also echo people's comments about why call it Prey 2 at all? No-one really cares about the brand, clearly this sequel is going to bear little resemblance to it, and a new IP might even generate more interest than a sequel to a mediocre forgotten shooter. Are they just desperate to use the brand, having gone to the effort of buying it?!
I also echo people's comments about why call it Prey 2 at all? No-one really cares about the brand, clearly this sequel is going to bear little resemblance to it, and a new IP might even generate more interest than a sequel to a mediocre forgotten shooter. Are they just desperate to use the brand, having gone to the effort of buying it?!
Samir Sedlar
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So this is it ?! ---- http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/15/dis...-similar-game-with-potential-for-multiplayer/
I still believe Human Head were doing great job, E3 presentation was pretty damn good, me and a couple more of my friends were excited, and for the record I am not into FPSs.
I still believe Human Head were doing great job, E3 presentation was pretty damn good, me and a couple more of my friends were excited, and for the record I am not into FPSs.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Good work Jason, appreciated.
Also, "press sneak fucks"?
Also, "press sneak fucks"?
moltonasty
Member
But even at a million sales, the game was in development hell for a decade, there's no way the first game earned back the cost of developing it. Sounds like the sequel is following in the footsteps of the original game, and I don't see how it will ever be worth the trouble for Zenimax.
DangerStepp
Member
Was there no communication between Bethesda and Zenimax?
I'm at a loss as to why Zenimax seemingly went behind Bethesda's back to pay Human Head despite the fact that there obviously was a reason why Bethesda would not fund them (the failed milestones). Also, how do we know these milestones were 'arbitrarily' rejected? Just because they have done this before does not mean it's unjust if the reason are there, right?
I'm at a loss as to why Zenimax seemingly went behind Bethesda's back to pay Human Head despite the fact that there obviously was a reason why Bethesda would not fund them (the failed milestones). Also, how do we know these milestones were 'arbitrarily' rejected? Just because they have done this before does not mean it's unjust if the reason are there, right?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
what a bunch of pricks
I agree. I feel like there's something big that I'm missing to explain why everyone is so upset about this, both from Bethesda and Kotaku.
Edit: Also, I can't imagine people following this industry for long without getting used to be lied to by developers and publishers. Basically, until the product is released and reviewed by normal people (not enthusiast press), I assume everything they're telling me is a lie.
Because they put the company in a worse position and a perfect place to be bought out.
Now they have an unfinished game, a contract with Bethesda, and in deep debt to Zenimax.
They have no money and they have to make interest payments on the loan to Zenimax. Basically impossible to complete a game under those conditions.
Neuromancer
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I am surprised that they're starting over, but at this point it sounds like a completely different game. At least the Prey name is known, which is probably more valuable than starting a brand new IP. Also I would guess they can write off all the development costs of the last version of the game for tax purposes.
Website traffic.
DangerStepp
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Okay, but I thought HumanHead was out all together and whatever the game was at that point is now something very different and in the hands of Arkane in the form of a reboot.
Is it even going to be called 'Prey 2'?