Liamario
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I care enough have an opinion on it. I'm pretty sure that's sufficient. I gave an honest opinion. Just because you didn't like it, it doesn't mean I'm not being honest. Take it or leave it. Focus on what I said, not who I am.
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Thats our word, and you cant have it back: Ice Cube confronts Bill Maher
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This is basically how I feel about it. Even using it in private with "some friends" or whatever also has some pretty shitty consequences due to the meaning and history of the word.
Still a fan of the DONT method.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
But what you said just raises questions about who you are, someone that cares so damn much about a word that once used in ignorance and hatred by racists, claimed by those that were enslaved and oppressed by those racists to take some power away.
EdibleKnife
Member
You're showing who you are buy not expanding on what you said despite the overwhelming amount of people of color making their case throughout every topic in this saga. You say you care enough to have an opinion when truth is, it absolutely is not sufficient when talking about something that has and is connected to a vast and continuing history of hurt, segregation and literal destruction for a singular group of people.
Sunster
Member
I looked for some just now but mostly saw racist memes by white people.
lolol
No, you made a shallow statement about something you don't actually care about.
Just be honest here, you don't care about the word's use, you have issue with black people claiming exclusive use.
This is Liamario's real issue folks.
hey_monkey
Banned
I don't understand wht you're trying to accomplish or why you keep shifting from trying to present as an authority to "just my opinion."
Let me ask you this: what, for you, is the best outcome of this thread? What is your stake in the discussion?
If he's in here just to argue a different opinion, he's playing Devil's Advocate to invested black people as if this is a game, which is shitty.
However, if he sincerely believes in his opinion, then it suggests a personal investment in breaking down the social barrier to be allowed to say nigger without getting any blowback, which is low-key racist.
I'd stick to the former if I were in his shoes right now.
However, if he sincerely believes in his opinion, then it suggests a personal investment in breaking down the social barrier to be allowed to say nigger without getting any blowback, which is low-key racist.
I'd stick to the former if I were in his shoes right now.
Liamario
Banned
What?! You don't know the first thing about me. Was there any part of opinion that needs further clarification. Is my opinion unclear?
It's a horribly offensive word and thus nobody should be using it.
With regard to black people claiming exclusive use of it, I've already said that it's simply not going to happen. It's not a realistic goal. The fact that Donald Trump is the president of the USA is proof that racism and ignorance is alive and well in America (unfortunately).
Edit: pulling out statements I made 3 years ago. People can change their feelings on things. I've given you my opinion as it is as of 11/06/2017 *subject to change.
You're pathetic and childish.
The words "teachable moment" coming from Ice Cube are intense. He layed it out well for Maher, hope he really does learn something.
The only thing Maher's stupid ass had to do was nod his head and thank Mr Cube for his perspective in helping him understand the gravity of the N word. Instead he resorted to defesiveness and essentially saying "Nah, I already heard that. Please don't humble me."
Your own posts paint a very different picture. Still not being honest.
Liamario
Banned
See my edited post. Please tell me what I'm not being honest about. You're coming across as a bully right now.
A person from that thread you pulled up that replied to him basically summed it up perfectly lol:
As right as Ice Cube is, I don't think selling the word back to impressionable teenagers on albums like it's okay is helping his cause. I'm all for taking it back, but that doesn't release you from responsible use of the word. I'm only a white dude from the suburbs, but I can tell you this. You better believe that white kids are using the 'n' word among themselves when no one's listening. I grew up around it and it always made me very uncomfortable. I spoke up a couple times, but I'm not Lil' Wayne, so no one listened to me. A few of these same kids grew up and used the word in a context that they thought was okay without ever realizing it is never okay. Ice Cube is right, this was a teachable moment, but it's the tip of the iceberg still. I think we all have a lot to learn.
Captin Quacker
Member
have that indian guy say it in front of the first black person they see, then seen what happens
Messofanego
Banned
All this is calculated so that Bill Maher can gain back some sympathy and people still keep watching him. It doesn't matter that his apologies are weak as hell, as long as he got a token black guy to clap back at him, then the issue is resolved and then we can all just drop it.
"It's been said in this thread multiple times. If you want people to stop using the word, you can't use it yourself. You're going to have to make a choice."
This is the same argument you made three years ago.
Your perceived hypocrisy of black people is still your main issue here.
Like I said, you're not being honest.
Spare me the victim act. How is quoting posts you actually made even remotely close to bullying?
I think name calling would be a little closer to bullying, no(not to mention being against the TOS here)?
And yet you've gone out of your way to avoid having a conversation.
Just based on the old posts of yours that were quoted, it's obvious that your opinion hasn't changed at all. It's not Enzom21's fault that you haven't changed much as a person over the course of three years. Exactly what more does he need to know about you to come to that reasonable conclusion?
How are you being bullied? All he did was point out, correctly, that you made the same kinds of posts before, just about a different word, and that you haven't changed your views. Play the victim as much as you want, but pointing out facts isn't bullying.
Liamario
Banned
Oh no... I feel so bullied!
What did he mean by this?
Member
As an afrolatino african american black man, growing up I definitely had non-african friends whod use the nword nonchalently around me and each other. And my thoughts on that are Maher can fuck off, Killer Mikes a bitch and I no longer conversate with those people. Also this thread sucks. Neogaf still has a long way to go. Back to thecoli
Not how it works
Liamario
Banned
Because opinions made in 2014 and opinions made in 2017 weren't formed by the same reasoning.
Messofanego
Banned
What Killer Mike do?
Captin Quacker
Member
What did he mean by this?
Member
Banking black has nothing to do with criticizing a frequent work associate. Did I mention he banks black though? Because he banks black.
Jesus Christ. I know I shouldn't have looked at the comments, but it's absolutely embarrassing that people are sharing the sentiment that black people need to "get over" slavery, as if it isn't a HUGE ugly mark in human history, while acting like oppression and discrimination didn't exist and isn't still relevant today.
What did he mean by this?
Member
But it's the same opinion.
FullMetalx117
Member
I like Ice Cube but come on.... he used the word "faggot" and other homophobic slurs to condescend people in his songs.
Messofanego
Banned
That was a year ago and what's wrong with mentioning you bank black? Solange, Usher, and I'm sure others encouraged it, not just him. I don't know what this work associate thing is about.
25 years ago when saying that shit was fine and acceptable, what does that have to do with 2017
He defended Maher saying nigger and when he got push back for the defense he brought up banking black.
After all of the defending he said this nonsense:
http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/05/killer-mike-bill-maher-n-word-real-time-show/
Lightning_Roller
Banned
The only dense motherfucker in this thread being pathetic and childish is the dense motherfucker im responding to now......
FullMetalx117
Member
The songs are still being circulated regularly. He just released a 25th anniversary edition. Unless I'm wrong, he was never apologetic about it. Sorry, it's just hard to take Ice Cube of all people seriously when he's made asinine comments himself.
When did he last do that and do you think his stance on the use of that word has evolved over the last couple of decades?
*Person says racist thing, golf claps from the audience*
"Hey, do you think he's a racist?"
*Record scratch, cigarettes fall from trembling lips and can be heard hitting the floor*
I don't know where you've been since 1947, but we have our own word now. The standard slur for Indian people, as far as I've seen, is "paki". Which we don't use the same way, again as far as I know, because it is barely even a reference to us. It's lumping us together with other south asians.
"Hey, do you think he's a racist?"
*Record scratch, cigarettes fall from trembling lips and can be heard hitting the floor*
I don't know where you've been since 1947, but we have our own word now. The standard slur for Indian people, as far as I've seen, is "paki". Which we don't use the same way, again as far as I know, because it is barely even a reference to us. It's lumping us together with other south asians.
supermarioworldE
Banned
Thanks, but I have this strange feeling that the thread aint stopping anytime soon...
Sunster
Member
It will stop when a black poster gives all white people a free n word pass. any black poster will do.
WiiredShawn
Member
I'm not gonna condone Maher or anything - it was a needless and insensitive remark - but in a broader, linguistic way, I'm very skeptical of this "that's our word and you can't have it" mentality. Language doesn't willfully align with people's desires. There are very likely words in English that were borrowed from other cultures, words that those people didn't want other people to have, words that had harsh meanings that were eventually altered or neutered as they passed through time and among cultures. Languages evolves and shifts hands, whether we want it to or not.
I mean, no one bats an eye at phrases like "that was a total cakewalk", even though the "cake walk" is steeped in racist history. People divorced the phrase from its origins and converted it into something more broadly usable. Is that right or wrong? It's an interesting question, but it is nonetheless what happened. Pragmatically, that's just how some words survive.
The n-word isn't a special case. It's a word with a lousy history that could be repurposed as people deem fit. Black people claiming it as "our word" is, in itself, a repurposing effort. And there's really nothing wrong with re-appropriating and redefining troubled words. But I feel like maintaining this harsh line in the sand regarding the word only makes the conflict in the word more salient.
And in another way, this isn't really about the n-word, as much as it is the fact that American society hasn't sufficiently divorced itself from the pain captured by the word. I feel like that's the part white people often don't understand - for them, it's just "why do Black people want to feel included in society, and then exclude us from their language? That's not fair". But the ongoing prevalence of racism means that Black people can't get away from the negative connotations of the n-word. It hasn't become like words like cakewalk or loophole - sanitized of its past, converted to harmless metaphor.
In that sense, I think all of this "These people can say it, these people can't" is just a band-aid over a wound. We need to deal with the societal racism that makes people want to cling to the word's potency. That's the message that people like Bill Maher need to hear - that there's a lot of pain in society still that you dredged up by using that word - not this tribalistic "this is our stuff and you can't have it" argument. That only galvanizes shitty conservative opinions that Black people are "snowflakes" who are easily "triggered", etc., etc. And that leads us into an unending cultural tug-o-war with no real goal.
Sorry, kind of rambling. tl;dr I don't know if it's productive to play the "this is ours, not yours" game because 1) language doesn't work that way and 2) it avoids the real issue underlying the word's continued ability to do harm.
I mean, no one bats an eye at phrases like "that was a total cakewalk", even though the "cake walk" is steeped in racist history. People divorced the phrase from its origins and converted it into something more broadly usable. Is that right or wrong? It's an interesting question, but it is nonetheless what happened. Pragmatically, that's just how some words survive.
The n-word isn't a special case. It's a word with a lousy history that could be repurposed as people deem fit. Black people claiming it as "our word" is, in itself, a repurposing effort. And there's really nothing wrong with re-appropriating and redefining troubled words. But I feel like maintaining this harsh line in the sand regarding the word only makes the conflict in the word more salient.
And in another way, this isn't really about the n-word, as much as it is the fact that American society hasn't sufficiently divorced itself from the pain captured by the word. I feel like that's the part white people often don't understand - for them, it's just "why do Black people want to feel included in society, and then exclude us from their language? That's not fair". But the ongoing prevalence of racism means that Black people can't get away from the negative connotations of the n-word. It hasn't become like words like cakewalk or loophole - sanitized of its past, converted to harmless metaphor.
In that sense, I think all of this "These people can say it, these people can't" is just a band-aid over a wound. We need to deal with the societal racism that makes people want to cling to the word's potency. That's the message that people like Bill Maher need to hear - that there's a lot of pain in society still that you dredged up by using that word - not this tribalistic "this is our stuff and you can't have it" argument. That only galvanizes shitty conservative opinions that Black people are "snowflakes" who are easily "triggered", etc., etc. And that leads us into an unending cultural tug-o-war with no real goal.
Sorry, kind of rambling. tl;dr I don't know if it's productive to play the "this is ours, not yours" game because 1) language doesn't work that way and 2) it avoids the real issue underlying the word's continued ability to do harm.
FlutterPuffs
Member
What's banking black?
Moving your money to black owned banks.
Killer Mike is a vocal proponent of only buying from black people, so banking black, buying your products from black owned joints, etc.