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AMD announces frame generation for all DX11 and DX12 games

HeisenbergFX4

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Following Nvidia's DLSS 3.5 announcements at Gamescom, AMD has finally revealed FSR 3 - along with a separate frame generation solution that works on all DX11 and DX12 titles. In a meeting with AMD, Digital Foundry saw both technologies in action and came away impressed.
FSR 3 is a frame generation solution that operates along similar lines to Nvidia's DLSS 3 - combining frame generation (Fluid Motion Frames) with super resolution upscaling (FSR 2) and latency reduction (Anti-Lag+) in a small number of supported games, with Forspoken and Immortals of Aveum set to first debut the technology. FSR 3 will work on Radeon graphics cards, as well as Nvidia and Intel GPUs.
So, how does FSR 3 look? At Gamescom, we had a demonstration of both titles running with the new technology active on a Radeon 7900 XTX running at 4K output. Both were running with v-sync on, which AMD recommends for frame-pacing purposes. In the very small Forspoken demo we saw, the game was running locked at 120 frames per second and looked just as a v-synced 120fps should look. The game was running in FSR 2 quality mode providing its own frame-rate boost, with frame-gen then taking you up to the limit. In terms of fluidity and clarity, FSR 3 looked a match for DLSS 3 - a view shared by Alex, Rich and John, who were all present to see the demos in person. A great start for FSR 3.
Forspoken is one of two games that we saw FSR 3 exhibited with live at Gamescom.
Immortals of Aveum was run in similar condititions: 4K output resolution in FSR 2 quality mode, with frame-gen then added to the equation to deliver a substantial boost to frame-rate. This time though, we didn't hit a locked 120fps, but the increase to fluidity was still profound and the quality of the generated frames again looked very good - comparable to DLSS 3.
However, despite running on a VRR screen, the game presented like standard v-sync, meaning that dropped frames were more noticeable with typical v-sync stutter. A frame-time counter in the top-right of the screen did seem to suggest that frames were being presented as they would in a normal v-sync presentation even though the demo was using a VRR-capable screen. Even so, the quality was clearly evident.
Also impressive was that both demos handled UI elements well. Some DLSS 3 titles (especially the early ones) interpolated HUD elements, producing shimmer in motion, but AMD has a range of options open to developers here in ensuring a pleasing, static HUD.


This slide only hints towards how game-changing Fluid Motion Frames might become - but our 'eyes-on' impressions were mighty convincing.
So, how does FSR 3 actually work? The principles are similar to DLSS 3, but the execution is obviously different as unlike the Nvidia solution, there are no AI or bespoke hardware components in the mix. A combination of motion vector input from FSR 2 and optical flow analysis is used. DLSS 3 uses a hardware block to achieve the latter, of course, while FSR 3 uses software instead, running using asynchronous compute. The more a game uses async compute, the less resources there are for FSR 3 meaning that the time taken to generate the interpolated frame is longer. However, conversely, the less async compute is used by the game, the faster FSR 3 optical flow is computed. This software-based solution doesn't just mean that FSR 3 will run on any vendor's GPU. It also means that the technology is compatible with the current generation consoles - but just remember that a high frame-rate is required for best results. AMD recommends a 60fps base frame-rate for best results with FSR 3.
Early impressions are promising then, but this was a 'hands-off' demo so we couldn't get a feel for how the games play - and details were thin on the ground in terms of latency mitigation. As a base technology, FSR 3 works on any vendor's hardware, but 'out of the box' there is no way to mitigate for the added latency of frame generation. AMD's solution is driver-level Anti-Lag, or better yet, a new Anti-Lag+ technology that the firm did not want to discuss in depth during our presentation. Beyond the latency question marks, the only other caveat was the use of v-sync in the demo and how FSR 3 will work with variable refresh displays, or with v-sync off.
After the FSR 3 demo, AMD wanted us to show us something new and very interesting. Prefaced with the caveat that there will be obvious image quality issues in some scenarios, we saw an early demo of AMD Fluid Motion Frames (AFMF), which is a driver-level frame generation option for all DirectX 11 and DirectX 12 titles. We saw it demonstrated on The Last of Us Part 1... and it works.
A good cadre of developers are on board, with FSR 3 included in a dozen current and upcoming titles.
This is using optical flow only. No motion vector input from FSR 2 means that the best AFMF can do is interpolate a new frame between two standard rendered frames similar to the way a TV does it - albeit with far less latency. The generated frames will be 'coarser' without the motion vector data but the effectiveness of those frames will scale according to content and the base frame-rate. A slower moving game, for example, makes it easier to interpolate content as there is less difference between the two standard rendered frames. Meanwhile, the higher the base frame-rate, the less time a generated frame persists on-screen - with the lower quality interpolated frames 'strobing' between standard rendered frames. Typically, all frame-gen solutions benefit from higher base frame-rates, but this is especially important with AMFS.
However, what we saw in the demo was clearly worthwhile. The bottom line is that we did indeed see The Last of Us Part 1 running at circa-160fps and higher, albeit with v-sync off, so there was screen-tearing (we suspect this is because it was running outside of the screen's VRR range). Right now, AFMF works with v-sync off, but AMD is looking to add v-sync support. Initially, AMD asked us not to share our thoughts on AFMF until closer to release, but a little while later, we received word that we could talk about it - excellent news! We also received a series of data points on the technology.
First, AFMF can provide frame-rate improvements in excess of 90 percent, depending on the hardware and the game. AFMF is intended to be run on games that are already able to hit a smooth frame-rate (70fps, for instance), with the goal of maxing out a 120Hz or 144Hz panel, with higher frame-rates resulting in higher image quality, for the reasons previously stated. Similar to the Radeon Boost driver-level dynamic resolution scaling feature, the tech is automatically disabled in response to rapid mouse movement, presumably to prevent obvious visual anomalies that will occur in frame generation when the two source frames have so little in common.


AMD was a little guarded when they showed us the TLOUp1 demo, because it was early and an optical flow-only solution will not match the quality of FSR 3 or DLSS 3 in most content. This is a tech with obvious limitations. Outweighing that, we think, is the fact that it should work with any DX11 or DX12 game - and one of the best things about PC gaming is the wealth of options given to users. And soon we'll have another, potentially potent one. The only slight downer? AMD is integrating it into its HYPR-RX package, which is exclusive to RDNA 3 GPUs - a touch strange bearing in mind that FSR 3, the more complex frame-gen solution, is more broadly compatible.
Even so, we were genuinely excited by the AFMF concept because it's another feature available to gamers that'll find utility on high refresh rate screens, which are basically the norm in the PC market these days. AMD is perfectly clear about the strengths and weaknesses of AFMF and at the very least, RDNA 3 users will have a fascinating new tool to experiment with. At best, you have an 'after-market' frame generation solution that could work really well on a huge number of games. Then there's the Asus ROG Ally - a handheld with RDNA 3 graphics and a 120Hz VRR screen, where the artefacts could well be far less noticeable. Again, we should stress that we were 'hands off' for this demo, so the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting/testing, but we're certainly looking forward to checking it out.
When you have a surfeit of performance, it's great to have an option that maximises image quality by replacing standard anti-aliasing techniques like TAA - and now AMD has that.
As well as AMD Fluid Motion Frames and FSR 3, the company is also now allowing FSR to be used without upscaling for improved anti-aliasing. This is called 'native anti-aliasing mode', and can be combined with frame generation and Anti-Lag+ to improve fidelity over standard TAA while also boosting visual fluidity - a similar feature to Nvidia's DLAA.
It'll be fascinating to see what shape Fluid Motion Frames and FSR 3 are in once they arrive in Q1 2024 and September 2023 respectively. For its part, AMD has gotten together a good group of upcoming titles to ship with FSR 3 support, with the full list including Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora, Cyberpunk 2077, Space Marine 2, Frostpunk 2, The Alters, Squad, Starship Troopers: Extermination, Black Myth: Wukong, Crimson Desert and Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth - plus Immortals of Aveum and Forspoken, as mentioned earlier. That means plenty of proper hands-on testing opportunities to come, so stay tuned.
In the meantime, why not check out AMD's other big Gamescom news - the announcement of the RX 7800 XT and RX 7700 XT graphics cards, which support FSR 3 and AFMF, and look set to bring the fight to Nvidia's RTX 4070 and 4060 Ti.
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, makes sense. These interpolation technologies are intended to boost already high framerates.

So, it's probably gonna help Performance modes in games, but we shouldn't expect Quality mode equivalents to start running at 60+ FPS now.
 

Catphish

Member
You know, I was actually considering AMD for my next build in a year or so. But this exclusivity bullshit with Starfield and Pandora has turned me right off.

I now have them in the same category as EGS: Moneyhatting cunts who fuck it up for other people by buying attention they don't deserve, because they don't actually have a quality product to offer.

Fuck them. They'll never get a dime from me. 🖕
 

StereoVsn

Member
That's good news since as 3080Ti owner I don't get to partake in DLSS 3 Frame rate gen. However despite the good list of game supporting FSR 3...

Hey AMD and MS, where the F is Starfield!?
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Decent on paper but coming next year? Or are there some examples that we can play soon?

They are behind as hell.

It means little right now. I'll use it if it makes sense but AMD has dropped the ball on the GPU side when nvidia has had their 599USD moment.
 

SolidQ

Member
From Eurogamer:
he only slight downer? AMD is integrating it into its HYPR-RX package, which is exclusive to RDNA 3 GPUs - a touch strange bearing in mind that FSR 3, the more complex frame-gen solution, is more broadly compatible.

In terms of fluidity and clarity, FSR 3 looked a match for DLSS 3 - a view shared by Alex, Rich and John, who were all present to see the demos in person. A great start for FSR 3.
 

Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
2-3x framerate with FSR3 + frame gen? All in software?

What is the catch? Does it look horrible? Is there more latency than expected? Are their benchmark numbers just HEAVILY cherry-picked?

I need to know more.
 

analog_future

Resident Crybaby
From Eurogamer:
he only slight downer? AMD is integrating it into its HYPR-RX package, which is exclusive to RDNA 3 GPUs - a touch strange bearing in mind that FSR 3, the more complex frame-gen solution, is more broadly compatible.

In terms of fluidity and clarity, FSR 3 looked a match for DLSS 3 - a view shared by Alex, Rich and John, who were all present to see the demos in person. A great start for FSR 3.

Great news on fluidity/clarity. The only remaining question mark is input latency.
 

Fake

Member
From Eurogamer:
he only slight downer? AMD is integrating it into its HYPR-RX package, which is exclusive to RDNA 3 GPUs - a touch strange bearing in mind that FSR 3, the more complex frame-gen solution, is more broadly compatible.

In terms of fluidity and clarity, FSR 3 looked a match for DLSS 3 - a view shared by Alex, Rich and John, who were all present to see the demos in person. A great start for FSR 3.

Good to know.
 
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Kataploom

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From Eurogamer:
he only slight downer? AMD is integrating it into its HYPR-RX package, which is exclusive to RDNA 3 GPUs - a touch strange bearing in mind that FSR 3, the more complex frame-gen solution, is more broadly compatible.

In terms of fluidity and clarity, FSR 3 looked a match for DLSS 3 - a view shared by Alex, Rich and John, who were all present to see the demos in person. A great start for FSR 3.
So this driver level implementation is exclusive to RX 7000 cards?
 

LostDonkey

Member
But it's fake performance no?

Like interpolation on a TV that makes everything look like a soap opera and introduced artifacts?

Or am I way off.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Holy shit so where the fuck is Starfield then? AMD paid for their marketing collabo, and we dont get any Starfield news?
I was waiting for the Starfield FSR 3 announcement while watching their show, even so many in chat were asking about it, but they never said anything about it not even that it was coming

Kind of felt odd that they were ignoring it
 

MarkMe2525

Member
But it's fake performance no?

Like interpolation on a TV that makes everything look like a soap opera and introduced artifacts?

Or am I way off.
The benefit is that this runs off of real gpu's vs cheap mobile soc's. We can only wait and see, but on nvidias implementation, artifacts are so tiny and brief, that they are pretty much indistinguishable.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
But fsr2 looks like shit right? I was hoping for an improved scaling technique too with fsr3...is that not the case?
 

Xcell Miguel

Gold Member
Insane news, all dx11 & dx12 games is nuts! Let's hope it is up to the task visually.
At driver level it won't have as much data from the game engine as native implementation in the game, it may lack motion vectors and other stuff from the engine, like rendering it before overlaying the UI.
So I expect a graphical mess...
 

octiny

Banned
Driver based, yet, made it exclusive to the 7000 series.

Oof, guess they got to sell RDNA 3 somehow.
 

Spyxos

Gold Member
Please don't come to console.

The new "fuck it let's just render at 720p and use FSR" mentality is already bad enough
We don't need "fuck it let's just aim for 25fps and use FSR" too
You need at least 60 fps for it to work well.
 
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SmokedMeat

Gamer™
So FSR3 is a frame generation technology, for particular games that use it, while this new AMD Fluid Motion Frames is for literally every DX11 and up game?

Ok, I’m excited about this. About damn time to AMD.
 

GymWolf

Member
If they don't include this at launch in starfield they are a bunch of morons.

Edit: wait, i can't use it with an nvidia gpu like fsr2?
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Sounds promising although I’m a bit concerned that they recommend 60+ base FPS and v-sync. Looking forward to some detailed reviews.
 

winjer

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But fsr2 looks like shit right? I was hoping for an improved scaling technique too with fsr3...is that not the case?

Depends on the game. For example, on Dead Island 2 it looked good. But on Remnant 2 it looked bad.
But you are right in saying that it should have been improved. FSR 2.2 was launch almost a year ago, but there has been no improvements since.
Meanwhile nvidia and Intel have iterated on training their algorithms to produce better image.
Just last week Intel released XeSS 1.2 and it improves image quality.
 

MMaRsu

Banned
I was waiting for the Starfield FSR 3 announcement while watching their show, even so many in chat were asking about it, but they never said anything about it not even that it was coming

Kind of felt odd that they were ignoring it

Let's hope MS paid off the contract and is implementing DLSS as we speak, fuck AMD.
 
You know, I was actually considering AMD for my next build in a year or so. But this exclusivity bullshit with Starfield and Pandora has turned me right off.

I now have them in the same category as EGS: Moneyhatting cunts who fuck it up for other people by buying attention they don't deserve, because they don't actually have a quality product to offer.

Fuck them. They'll never get a dime from me. 🖕

You've somehow missed the past 15 years of nvidia moneyhats?
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
If they don't include this at launch in starfield they are a bunch of morons.

Edit: wait, i can't use it with an nvidia gpu like fsr2?

You can. It’s for everyone.

Their other frame gen tech for all DX11 and DX12 games will be part of a package that’s for RDNA3 GPUs.
 

winjer

Gold Member
The frame gen for dx11 and dx12, am I understanding correctly that it’ll be RDNA 3 only because it’s HYPR-RX?

Interested Ooo GIF by reactionseditor


I can understand dropping Nvidia GPUs at driver level, but that’s a lot of let down RDNA 2 users

No.
The only thing limited to RDNA3 is Anti Lag +
 
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