darkinstinct
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AMD: Both XSX and PS5 RDNA2 based and have Hardware RT
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squarealex
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....and Microsoft does't claim they have the most powerful console ever build with Series X like Project Scorpio at E3 2016.
Agnostic2020
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Its a direct quote from Product Management Lead of AMD
according to the author. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Semi-custom ones, investments and sales potential, the console businesses of both are stacked up to each other especially on the piece where most semi custom investment occurs... aka the GPU.
I should not be surprised as it was similar to the thought that Azure was starting to screw over third party partners to favour the darling internal Xbox brand. Talking about disregarding business facts hehe
.darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
No, all it is is a quote that one person on the internet claims to have been made by the Product Management Lead of AMD. One person with a questionable record (using HipHopGamer as sources).
Agnostic2020
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No i dont agree it is his quote otherwise he would force them to remove it .end of discussion from me .bye
Pallas
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Please don’t get overly excited without some sort of official confirmation from Sony, which by the way WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET SONY?
I want both consoles to be beasts since I want to buy both but believing and hyping this could lead to major disappointment.
Weren’t you banned because of the same shit? Pseudo insider? Or did you get vetted finally?
I want both consoles to be beasts since I want to buy both but believing and hyping this could lead to major disappointment.
Weren’t you banned because of the same shit? Pseudo insider? Or did you get vetted finally?
I will ask the product management lead tomorrow. Let’s see what he says.
Hobbygaming
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Lol I love this site
I got champagne bottles ready to pop off in celebration
Batiman
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Dude you need to chill. Why is only him saying it?
it_wasn't_me
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Oh, fuck it! AMD is wrong, github is legit. No hardware RT in PS5.
Hobbygaming
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They won't be happy
9 TF is very powerful. Also that Tweet is from last year. It’s March now. So who knows.
If Sony PS5 is so super powerful why not just say it? Why led all the negative press still go? Why give Xbox still all the buzz being the way more powerful console? Why not just say it?
A single tweet PS5 > 12TF would be enough. Why not do it?
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-Arcadia-
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Haha who are we kidding in few hours they will start 8 tf rdna1 ps5 lol but muhhhhh githubbbbb saidddd
OP. Go outside. Meet a lovely girl or boy. Something.
Anything but getting this salty and obsessed over dumb gaming consoles.
I can guarantee you that if the PS5 is 13TF, you will be okay. I can guarantee you that if it’s 9TF, you will be okay.
In the end, both will be running similar games, and just like this generation, look nigh on identical. Which makes all this insanity, and normal people being forced to read it on gaming side, even more asinine.
Fake
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Matters? Just a friendly reminder, your theory works for both sides. From those who believe and from those who discredit.
Still don't give a shit to that. If both consoles are powerful will be enough for me.
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Psykodad
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I think chances are higher that Sony is confident in the PS5 and thus feel no need to combat all the "negative" press.
If the PS5 is equal to XSX, the negativity will be killed off the moment Sony starts showing what they'll bring with PS5.
Pallas
Member
They won't be happy
So are we pro-Schreier now? I notice a lot of people quoting that screen shot and it honestly feels like the part “Microsoft has been well behind Sony in communication” is exaggerated, since we are literally getting nothing from them except a logo and word of the mouth tidbits from developers.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is also possible that it is a tiny bit slower than XSX in the raw TFLOPS score, so change the game where you do not win in raw numbers, despite maybe having some features and customisations that can help fill the gap a bit when well used and are waiting to show games and generate proper buzz for that to be believed and not brushed aside.
CameFromNearFuture
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You are wrong.
AMD has a percentual gain from each unit sold. Given how much more PlaySyation Brand is popular worldwide., If anything, they can even get morr money out of Sony as the market leader tban MS.
Sony investment on gaming division is huuuge. Champions league psrtnership alone for so many years is a ridiculous ammount of money.
Panajev2001a
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You are not getting much, but developers making the games you will play? That matters a tiny bit more, wouldn’t you agree?
Hobbygaming
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9 Tflops is not so similar to 12 Tflops though and he gets his information from developers
Look at how long it took Sony to respond to "PS5 only has software raytracing"
They are doing things on their own schedule and are probably putting the finishing touches on a good next generation showing
Hobbygaming
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I was just about to type this same thing
darkinstinct
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To be precise: RTX is Nvidia's hardware implementation of DXR. DXR itself was open-sourced by Microsoft last week and is now being built into Vulkan.
DynamiteCop!
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No I am 100% correct, you're thinking small fries here. Sony's only partnership with AMD is consoles, Microsoft has that, plus they have the Windows division, Surface, Cloud, Enterprise and so on and so forth.
It's apples to oranges.
Hobbygaming
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Schreier has always had good info and to provide some context from the other tweets, he was talking about the communication between Microsoft and 3rd party developers at the time
Hawking Radiation
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Github worshippers on suicide watch
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
We live in a reality where a 1080p image with DLSS upscaled to 4K can look better than a native 4K image. In console terms: A 3 TF RDNA2 console that uses something similar to DLSS (like Microsofts DirectML) can achieve a better result than a 12 TF XSX that just creates a native 4K image (just an example, we don't know yet if there will be some machine learning cores in XSX). So a 9 TF PS5 that uses machine learning upscaling will for all we know look better than a 12 TF XSX that does not. It's not just about TF anymore. It tells you nothing about the actual power differences.9 Tflops is not so similar to 12 Tflops though and he gets his information from developers
Look at how long it took Sony to respond to "PS5 only has software raytracing"
They are doing things on their own schedule and are probably putting the finishing touches on a good next generation showing
Hawking Radiation
Member
Yeah they are starting to lose my interest when they're running with unconfirmed and inconclusive data from the github leak.
To me it looks as if they did it for the clicks.
Pallas
Member
No, not really. Everyone tends to hype up shit way too much in this industry and it tends to fail to meet the potential that we create from the hype. If you want to believe tidbit information that is vague without actual
Official numbers then that is your prerogative. Just like I’m not putting much stock into the news about Sony struggling with costs, pricing the console and shortages.
There’s way too much misinformation floating around and since Microsoft decided to release official partial information on the specs to dispel some of the misinformation, Sony should really get on the ball and do the same. That and it’s really getting tiring to see people claim it’s gonna be 9.2TF or
14TF on here.
We can finally put to rest what Phil meant by double the power of Xbox one X, now I’m hoping Sony will put to bed their biggest question mark.
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qiqiqiiq
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What negative press? a lot of fanboys tearing each other apart on some internet forums? I am a Marketing teacher and a homework I give my students for every week is to bring and comment news about marketing, new product releases, business etc. The week Sony showed the PS5 logo and spoke about a couple of things they already mentioned before like hardware based ray tracing a lot of my students brought those news, but when Microsoft confirmed the GPU Power of the XBOX none of them talked about that, even I was surprised they didn't mention anything about XBOX.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Well it pissed me off when that DF video came up after we found out through people in the know that the github leaks was not conclusive of anything.
DF should have not ran with the story. Do we want DF to start running insider rumours too?
ruvikx
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And we're now running with random quotes posted 40 days ago on some Indian site which no one cared about until now? Don't get me wrong I have no horse in this race but the extremes some people go to to believe one site over the other (whilst trashing DF as well) is pretty hilarious.
Tiamat2san
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Honestly, I dream that both consoles would on par for everything (power, ram, cpu etc)
That the only things left to discuss would be games , services and company policies.
That would be amazing.
But it’s a dream, fuck your console whatever brand it is!
That the only things left to discuss would be games , services and company policies.
That would be amazing.
But it’s a dream, fuck your console whatever brand it is!
Hobbygaming
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Jason also spoke on this and the two consoles do have areas where each one excels in, we'll have to see
CameFromNearFuture
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For having worked on software programing wich doesnt make him so much involved on this industry with so many contacts from hundreds of devs like he tries to imply.
Its too blatant obvious How he presente himself as someone who has a clearly fanboy agenda. Long before we knew anything about Xbox series X, he had been made millions of posts telling that consoles would have midgen gpus similar tô what we had in the current gen
The other day, there was a leak posted on Reddit suggesting that ps5 would have ,8tf-9tf, he suddenly appears claming to have just recieved a call from someone in the industry conforming that to 100% accurate lmao. Who believe in that shit, seriously ?
Hes now preaching two ps5 skus wich is not an original rumour coming from him, maybe because hes now not as confident that Sony Will release a "weak' ps5 and thats It. Hes not so sure about ps5 being 9tf but want this to be true so much that he then came up with thist "two skus" Story wich, again, It is not his rumor despite some inocente giving him credit for this lol
He came as Far as to say that Sony would release a ps5 pro as mid gen refresh years after original ps5 that would still be weaker than a 2020 séries x lmao
He shouldnt be taken seriously by the time it was confirmed series X is on 2080 super range when he had been preached consoles would be much weaker than that for só long
ShadowWolf712
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In fairness, DF didn't "run" with anything. They did a comparative analysis based on this leak and were VERY clear that it wasn't based on anything official.
Still, I kinda feel they really shouldn't have as it did nothing but fuel fanboy nonsense.
DynamiteCop!
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That's all they do, they are a business, and their business lives or dies based upon their ability to get you to watch their content. They used to be highly objective, just raw data with no speculation or determinations of what was better or worse according to them but as of late they interject way too much of themselves into the content and it's nauseating.
I mean this is just one example but take Kingdom Hearts III, on Xbox One X it's 1440p and it runs quite close to its target of 60 FPS with obvious dips. It's definitely not perfect. Well on the Pro it's 1296p with worse performance; so what do they do? They say to force the system into 1080p mode which puts it just a notch above the Xbox One X's performance (both are still not consistent) and then they go on to determine that the PlayStation 4 Pro version at 1080p is the best way to play the game.
I'm sitting there just thinking: "So, instead of a 76% increase in resolution with relatively same'ish inconsistent performance (1-3 FPS difference overall), you're now suggesting that I sacrifice all that resolution to play at 1080p on this $400 "4K" console?"...
It blows my mind, if you have the X and the Pro the X version is the clear choice on the back of a 76% uplift in resolution as a trade for a few dropped frames, they're dropping regardless so what's the logic on making this "Pro version is the best" determination?
Controversy, that's what it is, they thrive on it.
CameFromNearFuture
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We are talking about the specific hardware console market confrontration (ps vs Xbox) in wich theres obviously no economic incentive to AMD to favour one over the other, specially when the other actually belongs to a more popular Brand Worldwide that can actually give more in return than the favored one, since AMD gains a percentual for each unit sold (the one that selos more give more in return).
Dont want to offend anyone here, but the guys who love that mantra "Microsoft owns ALL the money in the world" and treat the "small little bug Sony" as an amatuer company on the play as If they are not the ones who have history/tradition/popularity/brandstrentgh on their side is already on a type of Phil Spencer cult
It sounds funny to me, but in reality is a bit sad
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thelastword
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Please don't get excited? Where have I heard that before? Oh...…"Please don't read too much into this" I'd Bet.....
Funny, how so few people gave such admonitions when the 9.2TF bandwagon was in swing, hell, it's still in full swing even now......Hey! 9.2TF, don't read too much into it guys, wait for official confirmation by Sony......I can't say I saw too much of that tbh....
ShadowWolf712
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Why should they be reactionary and rush? Scrambling to counter that only makes it look like they were caught off-guard by this and are "mee too"-ing. They're the industry leader right now, they can move at their own pace.
Plus... what negative press? There's no negative press from any serious outlet, as there's nothing to report on but rumors and speculation. Anyone adopting that is clearly just choosing their "leak" of choice too, as there are multiple leaks from multiple sources, all with their own details.
Maybe stop expecting them to react to fanboy blogs and YouTube videos.
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thelastword
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I'll raise you 14......13 TERAFLOPS COMING SO SO SOON
ShadowWolf712
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Mass Shift
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....and Microsoft does't claim they have the most powerful console ever build with Series X like Project Scorpio at E3 2016.
Well if you don't know for sure then you don't put it out there.
The embarrassment would be difficult to overcome, and MS doesn't need a PR setback like that before launch. So far they've played a very good hand. They have everyone positively engaged, and generally looking forward to whatever they have planned.
There's still a lot of features and points left to be covered. CPU, Memory, SSDs, possible A.I., prices and of course GAMES.
It's still too early to go all in.
D
Deleted member 779727
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AMD revealing info to appeas fanboys isnt what I meant. This is information regarding the core architecture that both consoles would be sharing. This should've been revealed the first time Zen 2 8C/16T and Navi was confirmed for both.