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BBC News Phil Spencer Interview - Where's the VR on Xbox One X?
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_Aaron_
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He kind of dodged the VR question a bit. Maybe they're not talking about it because they don't have a VR headset ready for Xbox One yet.
Also if they are going to do Xbox One VR, then they'll have to invest in first-party content and they might not have done that yet.
On Windows, they don't really have to worry about creating their own VR content because there are plenty of devs working on it.
Also if they are going to do Xbox One VR, then they'll have to invest in first-party content and they might not have done that yet.
On Windows, they don't really have to worry about creating their own VR content because there are plenty of devs working on it.
Hard hitting, 100% professional questions. As expected from a top tier news agency as the BBC.
Edit: NVM it was a dumb question
Daffy Duck
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Outside of the hardcore I really don't think there is a thirst for VR, and that's without the stigma attached VR that the majority of the software for it feels like tech demos.
Good questions, I liked seeing the Beeb reporter ask about whether Xbox One S has to download the full Xbox One X version.
What does Spencer mean when he rewords VR as 'Mixed Reality' when he replies, is that a term encompassing AR and VR?
Edit: never mind, google is my friend etc.
What does Spencer mean when he rewords VR as 'Mixed Reality' when he replies, is that a term encompassing AR and VR?
Edit: never mind, google is my friend etc.
FutureLarking
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More like, Xbox One / S users don't have to download the extra 10+GB of 4K textures they can't actually use. (Thank god for that, Gears of War 4 is already taking the piss at nearly 100GB, chuck in 4K textures most won't be using and uggg)
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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Phil is anticipating what's already obvious
Actual consoles AND VR technology today is not ready at all .
as Vive or PSVR are showing today, it's a " just above decent "experience , as much as the 1080p was at the time of X360 /Ps4 ( basically it can be done but we are not ready yet )
VR headset must improve on two aspect in order to delivery a good feedback
1) resolution on each screen ( means double 4K resolution )
2) refresh rate should be much above 100hz on each screen at native resolution
this means = we are not yet ready as GPU power ( a SLI setup of new Volta"2080" maybe , but not at consoles level ) and not yet ready as connections standard (maybe Hdmi 2.1 or next version of display port will be enough )
Phil is also underlining at every answer the " MIXED reality " that's where Microsoft is oriented next year. with all MR headset that will be present on the market, it would be easier to make that compatibile with XOX and also Mixed reality it's a much easier implementation for a proper transition towards a full VR home console maybe next generation ( IF VR won't have the same fate of 3d )
Actual consoles AND VR technology today is not ready at all .
as Vive or PSVR are showing today, it's a " just above decent "experience , as much as the 1080p was at the time of X360 /Ps4 ( basically it can be done but we are not ready yet )
VR headset must improve on two aspect in order to delivery a good feedback
1) resolution on each screen ( means double 4K resolution )
2) refresh rate should be much above 100hz on each screen at native resolution
this means = we are not yet ready as GPU power ( a SLI setup of new Volta"2080" maybe , but not at consoles level ) and not yet ready as connections standard (maybe Hdmi 2.1 or next version of display port will be enough )
Phil is also underlining at every answer the " MIXED reality " that's where Microsoft is oriented next year. with all MR headset that will be present on the market, it would be easier to make that compatibile with XOX and also Mixed reality it's a much easier implementation for a proper transition towards a full VR home console maybe next generation ( IF VR won't have the same fate of 3d )
Aceofspades
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Xbox one X is not strong enough to be paired with Vive or Occulus. MS needs to make a customized headset similar to PSVR.
Always-honest
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VR is not a priority right now i guess. It's still all babysteps.
GoldenCrow
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Shame. Forza Horizon in VR would be incredible.
Considering Microsoft has already announced VR headsets they've partnered on which will release for the PC, I expected to hear something about it. Especially with games like DOOM and Fallout 4 getting VR support, it seemed like if they wanted to have a headset, at least announce it this E3, along with a few games, and then they can brag about some feature like the ability to switch and use it on both the XBO console and a PC.
Instead, not even a mention.
I don't blame them based on VR sales figures, but if they have any intention of VR on their consoles, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned at all.
Instead, not even a mention.
I don't blame them based on VR sales figures, but if they have any intention of VR on their consoles, I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned at all.
SolarMystic
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Well I guess it's a good thing I just got the PS VR since MS seems to want us all too forget they talked about Scorpio VR last year.
Forza 7 + VR, what a missed opportunity.
Forza 7 + VR, what a missed opportunity.
moffattron9000
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Even then, you're overestimating it. I want nothing to do with Oculus, Vive, and PSVR (I'm not strapping a thing to my head when I can trip over a cable), and am waiting for things like Google Daydream and Gear VR to get good.
ozz ex machina
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I was always under the impression Microsoft would never have their own headset. When the time is right they will partner with Rift. Ideally the standard model is just compatible with the xbox. Could hopefully even just use the HDMI out that's already on the console.
Jeff Freecss
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I think one of the Microsoft guy tweeted they think console VR should be at least wireless. Forget where I saw it.
always crazy bacon
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Phils said in a previous interview that VR is just not ready yet and there is a lot to work out. No VR for Xbox is a better situation than a potential failed VR. After the lukewarm reaction to Kinect 2.0 Microsoft will be very cautious about that investment. Better to let someone else work out all the kinks and then improve on that 1st time.
wesleyshark
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I'm fine with them slowing it down in the VR space. The technology has promise but has a ways to go yet.
I've played Driveclub VR, it's really really immersive... right up until you *crash*, and then it's GOD GET THIS THING OFF ME I WANNA VOM.
So if you're *good* at driving games, it's brilliant
I imagine they're using some really efficient compression techniques then extracting the files after download - regarding that one question. At least I hope so.
And I'm fine with Microsoft not touching VR until it's more mature. My PSVR + Pro is a fun little toy to use once in a while, but man is the resolution low and the overall tech and tools just aren't there.
And I'm fine with Microsoft not touching VR until it's more mature. My PSVR + Pro is a fun little toy to use once in a while, but man is the resolution low and the overall tech and tools just aren't there.
darkinstinct
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To power two 4K displays at 90 Hz I don't think even the next next gen of consoles will be able to do that. You have to compromise somewhere. You have to start somewhere. Major Nelson was awkward yesterday when Geoff asked him about VR. He said something like "This is a very capable console but we are not talking about VR yet".
GoldenCrow
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I've played Driveclub VR, it's really really immersive... right up until you *crash*, and then it's GOD GET THIS THING OFF ME I WANNA VOM.
So if you're *good* at driving games, it's brilliant
DCVR blacks out when you crash. But if you're like me who can spend multiple hours inside a headset get flipped every way possible (Dirt Rally VR, EVE, Windlands) and just want more Forza Horizon would be perfect and I don't really like the side series. If people who have PSVR want to see how good Forza Horizon could be pick the buggy in Driveclub VR and go where they like, but then imagine you have actual freedom and huge variety, the game existing mechanics step up big time in a genre where VR its significantly better than its standard tv version.
Parapraxis
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The BBC is a top tier news agency, regardless of occasional average quality reporting.
With the asterisk that this is compared to most other news agencies. Which is a low bar.
Why bother with all 8K display when you can use foveated rendering & eye tracking with that actually mimics how you see? The true next generation of top-range HMDs will feature this, likely will be wireless and have inside-out tracking, not to mention being lighter, less bulky etc
MS have already announced 3 partner-manufactured HMDs, following Valve's approach of offloading the hardware risk to third parties. Why they've rowed back from associating VR & Xbox is clearly an internal decision for whatever reasons.
always crazy bacon
Banned
It was all the wiring connections that killed it for me. Messy, complicated and not living room friendly.
The Elite
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Then add in the fact that you can't get HDR to pass through it. Had to buy myself an extra Switch.
I really enjoy VR but I don't blame anyone at this point for at least holding until a better solution is release. We need wireless and higher resolution options. Best to wait for that.
OMG that shit kills me. I only found out after. I was like "for real motherfuckers? No one thought this was a problem when you're launching a 4K console that can improve the VR experience?". So now I have to swap a cable whenever I want to play PSVR, and then back again for Pro games.
You obviously haven't played PSVR then.
PSVR screens run at 120Hz. Vive's run at 90Hz and work great. I'm not sure why you are dismissing VR on consoles so much.
Apparition
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I wonder if they rethought their 'no gamer left behind' philosophy and saw that VR on XOX will divide the Xbox One userbase and void that philosophy. Perhaps they then decided to delay the implementation until next gen when the market is more mature so everyone can get a shot?
Perhaps I am overthinking this. It is more likely they got cold feet or thought the market was not yet ready. MS as a whole is taking their sweet time with their mixed reality projects so who knows.
Perhaps I am overthinking this. It is more likely they got cold feet or thought the market was not yet ready. MS as a whole is taking their sweet time with their mixed reality projects so who knows.
Impeccable
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To be fair, there is no reason to support it yet.
Bruce Springsteen
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VR is still at least one generation away from becoming mainstream, there is no need for Microsoft to spend money investing in this technology yet
Personally I think Sony mixed their messaging when they released the Pro and PSVR so close. It makes sense to give the Scorpio some breathing space and having a VR headset later in life might be a nice way to boost its sales too.
I can't see it not being a custom MS device rather than what most of us assumed would just be a Rift now we have its final specs.
EDIT: The VR headset will come out when MS do their first global price drop for the Scorpio IMO
ps3ud0 8)
Well after watching this I'm now certain there is no longer a concrete plan to release VR for the One X. No mention of VR on the official site either.
I'd guessed this was the score from the mixed messages on the subject this year; time to put this one to bed unless MS say something definite to the contrary.
I'd guessed this was the score from the mixed messages on the subject this year; time to put this one to bed unless MS say something definite to the contrary.
Auto-Reply
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They are investing in AR whit hololense, which is several generations away.
LukasTaves
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Kinda pointless interview, Ms has already said more than once that VR for xbox only next year, they even reiterated that last week saying that would be in 2018 and wireless.
Randall365
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Let's face it, the xbox VR would costs £400 minimum, probably more likely £500 - £600 as they would want to make use of the new console's power. Dropping the fact that VR on Xbox would cost £1,000 to get started would be off-putting.
Might as well wait until after the launch and then see how things go.
Might as well wait until after the launch and then see how things go.
LukasTaves
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Which they can then bring to Xbone when it's ready as it's developed on a platform that supports Xbox.
They likely just don't want to do another kinect and give to consumers a new tech before its prime and end up killing any chance for it to become big in the long run.
Shil Pencer
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I bought PSVR on day one and thought i was in the future for a week. The future now sits in my closet
Apparition
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I can see your points. Then again, Sony cannot produce those VR sets fast enough. Still, there is no telling if the hype will die soon or if the product will continue to flourish.
I wouldn't count out MS previous Scorpio VR talk as being a knee-jerk PR reaction to PSVR and that on further consideration, they decided against the idea; at least for the time being. We can only speculate why. Maybe the game division were only green lit for one project at a time or they are waiting to see what Sony's experiment turns out to be like.
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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i do own a PSVR, but the resolution It's just embarrassing ( 960 × 1080 pixels per eye )
and it's crystal clear when you play a VR powered game how much a developer has to sacrifice to achieve a decent VR effect.
because, again, ps4Pro / XOX are not powerful enough for a high quality VR games today
you need at least a double digit TF GPU and a code fully optimized in order to manage a decent VR experience ( not even in 4K x eye because then you need something in the range of a quad titan setup )
Third Party VR support would be ideal, I feel first party VR R&D by Microsoft would be costly when they're already trailing this generation in sales. If they worked out a deal with HTC or Oculus that would be swell, although the Xbox One X lacking an HDMI 2.1 out seems like they may have made up their mind on VR this generation and will do their own thing next generation.
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