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Social Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

Kilau

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Anyone here that had two Moderna end up getting the Pfizer booster? I read they allow you to do that now but unsure if I should just wait or not.
 

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*Finally* got the word today that me and my colleagues and all our clients will be getting booster shots in December. I was kind of surprised at some colleagues expressing reluctance to get the booster, the first 2 shots were taken by just about everyone. Meanwhile infections still soaring like crazy over here in The Netherlands.
 

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Anyone here that had two Moderna end up getting the Pfizer booster? I read they allow you to do that now but unsure if I should just wait or not.
This is what the clients at my job are getting. They had 2x moderna, will be getting Pfizer boosters. Most of them are pretty vulnerable health-wise, so if it's deemed safe and effective for them it will probably be for you too.
 
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Africa doesn’t have the vaccines and the resources to fight COVID-19 that they have in Europe and the U.S., but somehow they seem to be doing better,”

I'd say that African nations have far better resources to handle a pandemic, people there know how deadly diseases can be and will make adjustments to their behaviour, unlike the West where resisiting measures is a way of life and deadly pandemics are something that only happens to poor countries.
 
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"Some researchers say the continent’s younger population -- the average age is 20 versus about 43 in Western Europe — in addition to their lower rates of urbanization and tendency to spend time outdoors, may have spared it the more lethal effects of the virus so far. Several studies are probing whether there might be other explanations, including genetic reasons or past infection with parasitic diseases.

On Friday, researchers working in Uganda said they found COVID-19 patients with high rates of exposure to malaria were less likely to suffer severe disease or death than people with little history of the disease.

“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research advisor at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”

Achan said this may suggest that past infection with malaria could “blunt” the tendency of people’s immune systems to go into overdrive when they are infected with COVID-19. The research was presented Friday at a meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene."

Interesting. Many other factors they're looking at too.
 
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FunkMiller

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The flu DOES require an annual shot.

I think some of the problems with covid is that people have hollywoodised it into something like in that movie contagion. They’ve got It into their heads it’s a disease that can be eradicated like smallpox. But it‘s a novel coronavirus. Them fuckers hang about. I had my flu jab a few days ago, and I’m sure I’ll be having my yearly covid jab from now on as well.
 

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I think some of the problems with covid is that people have hollywoodised it into something like in that movie contagion. They’ve got It into their heads it’s a disease that can be eradicated like smallpox. But it‘s a novel coronavirus. Them fuckers hang about. I had my flu jab a few days ago, and I’m sure I’ll be having my yearly covid jab from now on as well.
Within a couple years, those two things will be combined into a single shot, the way we do with your TDAP.
 
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"Some researchers say the continent’s younger population -- the average age is 20 versus about 43 in Western Europe — in addition to their lower rates of urbanization and tendency to spend time outdoors, may have spared it the more lethal effects of the virus so far. Several studies are probing whether there might be other explanations, including genetic reasons or past infection with parasitic diseases.

On Friday, researchers working in Uganda said they found COVID-19 patients with high rates of exposure to malaria were less likely to suffer severe disease or death than people with little history of the disease.

“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research advisor at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”

Achan said this may suggest that past infection with malaria could “blunt” the tendency of people’s immune systems to go into overdrive when they are infected with COVID-19. The research was presented Friday at a meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene."

Interesting. Many other factors they're looking at too.

Waits for anti-vaxxers to start trying to catch Ebola.

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"Some researchers say the continent’s younger population -- the average age is 20 versus about 43 in Western Europe — in addition to their lower rates of urbanization and tendency to spend time outdoors, may have spared it the more lethal effects of the virus so far. Several studies are probing whether there might be other explanations, including genetic reasons or past infection with parasitic diseases.

On Friday, researchers working in Uganda said they found COVID-19 patients with high rates of exposure to malaria were less likely to suffer severe disease or death than people with little history of the disease.

“We went into this project thinking we would see a higher rate of negative outcomes in people with a history of malaria infections because that’s what was seen in patients co-infected with malaria and Ebola,” said Jane Achan, a senior research advisor at the Malaria Consortium and a co-author of the study. “We were actually quite surprised to see the opposite — that malaria may have a protective effect.”

Achan said this may suggest that past infection with malaria could “blunt” the tendency of people’s immune systems to go into overdrive when they are infected with COVID-19. The research was presented Friday at a meeting of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene."

Interesting. Many other factors they're looking at too.
Possibly not a related mechanism given the order of infections, but interesting nonetheless. A long time ago, intentional infection with malaria was the treatment for syphilis because malaria would induce a high fever, killing the syphilis. Malaria was less risky than syphilis, so it was seen as a net benefit. The guy who discovered this treatment actually won a Nobel Prize for it.

 
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What? A country with a media age of 18 (true story) has less serious cases of Covid? What a puzzling fucking mystery of science.
 

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What? A country with a media age of 18 (true story) has less serious cases of Covid? What a puzzling fucking mystery of science.
Less crowded urban centers, lower average population density, further distance between contagious population groups, greater sunlight exposure/outdoor activity, and less international travel/exposure probably has a significant effect as well.
 

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For the last 7 weeks my resting heart rate has been high 90s-120bpm. For the last few years it was trending at around 64 bpm.

I have had 2 shots of Pfizer the last of which was at the beginning of September. I had no reaction to the first shot, but was sick for a few days after the second.

I got very sick at the start of October and was in bed for 5 days. At this point that’s when my heart rate shot up. It has yet to come back down to normal levels.

With this I’m also getting dizzy spells, lack of energy and sometimes difficult to breathe. I’ve not been able to do anything at all strenuous for weeks.
 

jdforge

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what did you get sick with? and have you seen a doctor since?

Lateral flows were all negative as was the PCR but my Doctor is convinced I had covid. It was the worst flu I’ve ever experienced.

My Doctor said my heart rate should come back to normal but just wanted to see if anyone else is experiencing this.
 

FunkMiller

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Lateral flows were all negative as was the PCR but my Doctor is convinced I had covid. It was the worst flu I’ve ever experienced.

My Doctor said my heart rate should come back to normal but just wanted to see if anyone else is experiencing this.

Maybe get a new doctor. If you took several lateral flow tests and PCR, and they all tested negative, it couldn’t have been Covid. Friend of mine was similar. Had the nastiest bug imaginable, but clear of Covid the whole time.

As for the heart rate thing, may be a psychological after effect of being so ill? Perfectly understandable. Try a bit of meditation, you should feel better.
 

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Maybe get a new doctor. If you took several lateral flow tests and PCR, and they all tested negative, it couldn’t have been Covid. Friend of mine was similar. Had the nastiest bug imaginable, but clear of Covid the whole time.

As for the heart rate thing, may be a psychological after effect of being so ill? Perfectly understandable. Try a bit of meditation, you should feel better.

Hmm I’m not sure. I wouldn’t say I feel anxious about how sick I was at this or any stage. I have not been able to do much other than relax for 6-7 weeks.

Going for walks my heart rate would shoot you to 150-160bpm and I would sweat like crazy.

Have had an ECG, chest x-ray and all OK. Just a high heart rate. It’s weird.
 

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Hmm I’m not sure. I wouldn’t say I feel anxious about how sick I was at this or any stage. I have not been able to do much other than relax for 6-7 weeks.

Going for walks my heart rate would shoot you to 150-160bpm and I would sweat like crazy.

Have had an ECG, chest x-ray and all OK. Just a high heart rate. It’s weird.
I hate to be *that guy* but obviously Bill Gates now has control of your heart rate through nanobots. Normally he doesn't fuck with the settings too much but right now his evil cat, Ballmer, is sitting on the remote.

(seriously though, hope you figure it out soon or it just settles)
 
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He makes a good point. Time and time again, Europe is a leading indicator for what is heading towards the USA, and we have all these examples of the different European states having different outcomes depending on their mitigation strategy. Yet, the USA doesn't seem like it's learning anything from it.


Good follow up info in this thread too

 

QSD

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He makes a good point. Time and time again, Europe is a leading indicator for what is heading towards the USA, and we have all these examples of the different European states having different outcomes depending on their mitigation strategy. Yet, the USA doesn't seem like it's learning anything from it.


Good follow up info in this thread too

The way it appears to me is also that we hardly seem to be learning anything from each others mistakes. I read it as the measures that can be taken (boosters, masks, distancing, lockdowns, etc) are all so heavily politicized that whether they are effective seems to matter far less than how the measures are perceived in the public eye.
 

Rentahamster

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The way it appears to me is also that we hardly seem to be learning anything from each others mistakes. I read it as the measures that can be taken (boosters, masks, distancing, lockdowns, etc) are all so heavily politicized that whether they are effective seems to matter far less than how the measures are perceived in the public eye.
It is quite unfortunate how politics and tribalism gets in the way of sound policy. Compare that to a country with high social cohesion and governmental trust like Japan, where the vaccination rate is 76% (compared to the USA's 58% despite the USA's giant head start), and they still generally practice infection mitigation strategies as a social obligation and don't whine about it like snowflakes.
 

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It is quite unfortunate how politics and tribalism gets in the way of sound policy. Compare that to a country with high social cohesion and governmental trust like Japan, where the vaccination rate is 76% (compared to the USA's 58% despite the USA's giant head start), and they still generally practice infection mitigation strategies as a social obligation and don't whine about it like snowflakes.
Yeah in contrast to Japan the fate of our countries seems almost tragic: can't seem to agree on anything, many political players wilfully sowing distrust at the expense of people's lives, random outbursts of violence, many unwilling to even accept the reality of a global pandemic at all. IMHO if you compare to Japan, it seems our culture of individualism and materialism is really fucking us over ATM.
 

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I'll be getting my booster in a day or two. I'll leave the prayer warriors to their crying and dying. Seriously tired of even bothering with them now. They've reached flat Earth levels of stupidity.
 
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I'd say that African nations have far better resources to handle a pandemic, people there know how deadly diseases can be and will make adjustments to their behaviour, unlike the West where resisiting measures is a way of life and deadly pandemics are something that only happens to poor countries.
Check how large is the % of young people in African countries and there's your answer.
 

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If I was a vaccinated Austrian I would be furious and never vote for a lousy bunch of spineless losers that instead of doing the right thing decided to punish everyone.