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Do you think "walking segment" should be skippable?
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GametimeUK
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I'm open to unlimited options for a player to enjoy a single player experience in whichever way they want. Makes no difference to me.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
I don't really mind them so long as they aren't too frequent or long.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
i say more walking sequences, more escort missions, and more unskippable tutorials while i self-flagellate.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
at very least let me skip that after the first retry
SeraphJan
Member
Because this post is not about whether they should exist or not, its about when certain type of game that do require them as developer's intend or vision, what is the best way to handle them. If you don't like that sort of game to begin with, please understand that there are in fact a lots of people that do, you might want to save yourself some money/time and skip the entire game, play something else and let other people actually enjoy it have their fun.
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March Climber
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It hinders the speedrunning experience.
01011001
Banned
in an arcade style game sure.
but we are mostly talking about more grounded games here.
also you can always contextualise stuff like that in-universe.
like in Tears of the Kingdom, some shrines take away all your weapons and clothes, but that's more or less contextualised by ancient magic that takes them away from you until you beat the shrine.
what I'm talking about is shit like in basically every modern AAA game, where one moment you're shooting people, climbing, sprinting and jumping around... and the next moment suddenly you can't jump, can't climb, can't even walk your normal walk speed.
THAT is dogshit gamedesign, especially in games that claim to trying to be "immersive". there's nothing less immersive than having jarring limitations kick in without any reason.
nothing kills immersion more than suddenly feeling like your character isn't reacting to your inputs anymore. the immediate disconnect between you and your character is jarring as fuck.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Speedrun is about traversing fast enough to not let the characters finish talking. The actual segment isn't a barrier at all. What you meant is the static talking where you work on speech bubbles, which is not what this thread is about.
poppabk
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Most walking and talking segments take away your ability to do things like run, there is no traversing faster.
LightofRohan
Member
Leave em. Get used to it or play a different game...
They make games for insanely adhd teens for this reason.
They make games for insanely adhd teens for this reason.
01011001
Banned
they are purely bad game design and shouldn't exist.
don't make them skippable, make them NOT EXIST.
j0hnnix
Gold Member
How else am I supposed to learn about some useless substory that writers forced in so they can explain to me how a Greek god who murdered all the Greek gods and his father is useless and needs a whiney little viking child to explain to me that he needs to learn how to "feel". Definitely does not need a skip button we need all the extra fluff to increase game time.
HazukiSensei
Banned
Those were weird in red dead 1. Because usually you are driving or something in GTA games where you need to go. And then the dialogue will stop once you reach your destinition. That makes sense lol rdr1 was weird and took complete control away frok you. Weird design choice and to this day dont understand why some prefer rdr1 over gtaIV
bitbydeath
Member
RDR2 camps were the worst.
There’s no reason to ever move that slow.
There’s no reason to ever move that slow.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
If you have no control then it is just a cut-scene in disguise.
March Climber
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No, I mean specifically walking segments in games. Resident Evil 3 Remake has literal speed running trophies/achievements yet with each run, I had to do the intro segment in the apartment section, then the intro moments with Nemesis, and then crawling under the wreckage in the street. Resident Evil 4 Remake also had the unskippable walking moment near the end where you had to carry Ashley to the cure machine while Leon hallucinates and has multiple stops on the way.
For each game, instead of letting you press a button to skip these segments, they added the time of these segments into the speedrun clock so that these moments wouldn't make you go over in time. As a fan of both games even I can say it's a bit ridiculous when you take a minute to think about it.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I'm trying to replay it right now and holy lord it's like a Everything Annoying At Once simulator.
I liked AW back in the day but tlit's just painful to play with my current tastes. The amount of cutscenes and walk/talk/press button to move story just going into Chapter 2 is asinine.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Make it all skippable, it's not my problem if you don't understand WTF is going on because you skipped the story exposition.
brian0057
Banned
"Walking segments" are just glorified cutscenes. Just cut out the middle man and do a cutscene instead.
If you can't do your super important story beat in gameplay without wresting controls from the player, don't even bother. At least cutscenes can, at a minimum, be paused or skipped.
If you can't do your super important story beat in gameplay without wresting controls from the player, don't even bother. At least cutscenes can, at a minimum, be paused or skipped.
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Phobos Base
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RoadHazard
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Not really. If they're there, they're there because the game designer wanted you to experience them. So if they should be skippable, why shouldn't also combat encounters and everything else be? "I like combat but not story exposition" is not a valid answer, someone else might feel the opposite.
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EddieVanHelgen
Banned
They're irritating, but if they were removed then would Sony's first party lineup literally just be cutscenes?
Lucifers Beard
Member
Games should always let you skip these parts. If it’s a story I’m interested in, I’ll sit through it and listen, if it’s not, let me get back to the parts I enjoy.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Not all of them.
But that RDR2 starting sequence in the snow should be a crime. It probably gave PTSD to some people.
But that RDR2 starting sequence in the snow should be a crime. It probably gave PTSD to some people.
Pasta la Vista
Member
I'm 42 and I hate them. No "ADHD".
A few sequences I can deal with but if it's like GOW Ragnarok or FFVII remake, hellll no.
sainraja
Member
Yeah, it seems to be a hard concept to grasp... such a shame.
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DelireMan7
Member
Shouldn't respond to the thread but : "Replace all walking segment by a cutscene". Skippable or not I don't care.
It brings nothing but frustration to suddenly limit the move of your character. You can run, jump, attack, use items etc... and then 1 second later you can't do anything except walking. Immersion breaking to the highest point for me.
You want to tell a story ? Either make a cutscene or find an interesting way to tell it in a gameplay section. But "remove all interactivity but pushing your left stick forward" is not a good option for me.
It brings nothing but frustration to suddenly limit the move of your character. You can run, jump, attack, use items etc... and then 1 second later you can't do anything except walking. Immersion breaking to the highest point for me.
You want to tell a story ? Either make a cutscene or find an interesting way to tell it in a gameplay section. But "remove all interactivity but pushing your left stick forward" is not a good option for me.
lughnasadh123
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Speed running should never factor in for game designs. Ever.
ssringo
Member
Edit: to not just be a meme post.
Achievements, some game modes and Metroid in general kinda rely on speedrunning being part of the design.
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March Climber
Member
Play more video games.
lughnasadh123
Member
Having certain aspects if any is very different from having speedrunning in mind at it's core when designing it. You might as well say get rid of dying too since it fucks with speedrunning.
Edit: to not just be a meme post.
Achievements, some game modes and Metroid in general kinda rely on speedrunning being part of the design.
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lughnasadh123
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Lmao, this doesn't even make sense.
March Climber
Member
It makes perfect sense. There are devs and video games that promote forms of speedrunning and/or sequence breaking. I've listed 2 of them above and
ssringo
listed one as well. The statement you've said previously:Implies to me that since you are making this declarative statement, the amount of games you've played must have been limited in scope and genre. Because of that, in your worldview, it doesn't make sense. Thus, you have to play more video games for it to make sense.
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Portugeezer
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It's the same as a cutscene, só yeah it should be skipable.
I don't think this is about play/non-play.
I might sound controversial here - but Lots of narrative driven shooters/action-games would be greatly improved if I could skip through some of their shooting/action sequences as well (or at least, summarize them with a quick recap that's maybe 1/20th the length of actual play).
The same could be extended to other genres too - basically what it boils down to is that many (possibly - most, especially in bigger budgets) games - could benefit (often, greatly) from being *edited down* much the same way books, movies etc. are before release - irrespective of whether that's applied to playable, non-playable, or non-interactive segments of the game.
So to answer the thread - I don't really think this is much about options, it's that editorial pass practically doesn't exist for games, and it shows.
However - with as much as some types of games are trying to be like movies (or especially, hollywood movies) having the option to skip/forward/backwards through 'everything' would indeed be kinda nice. Maybe as a game+ option to keep purists from getting upset.
lughnasadh123
Member
I don't have a problem with teams wanting to design their games with it mind, but I do disagree with having those parameters in place for all games including those who don't. I'll take the fault there for my wording.It makes perfect sense. There are devs and video games that promote forms of speedrunning and/or sequence breaking. I've listed 2 of them above and
Implies to me that since you are making this declarative statement, the amount of games you've played must have been limited in scope and genre. Because of that, in your worldview, it doesn't make sense. Thus, you have to play more video games for it to make sense.
Sojiro
Member
I am personally of the opinion that these and cutscenes should be skipable anytime, first playthrough or not. Not everyone gives a shit about them, and may just want to play the game, so give them the option to skip it if they want. Give everyone the option to enjoy it how they want IMO.
ssringo
Member
Death warping is a valid and sometimes necessary tactic for speedrunning. Leave it alone!
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