In fact Peter Moore left Sega & was with Xbox
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Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
In fact Peter Moore left Sega & was with Xbox
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So what happens if we don't "SEE" this "MASSIVE" amount of power difference between the games on PS5 and XSX? What would you say is happening?
Hezekiah
Banned
I'll be amazed if that's the difference for any AAA games.
Hezekiah
Banned
For ages some people have tapped into this idea that Microsoft will eat billions because they're a $1.5 trillion company. In reality the only times they have thrown away billions are:
- On the original Xbox when Microsoft lost between $5bn and $7bn ending the console's life early after they signed a rubbish deal with Nvidia for its off-the-shelf GPU.
- In the 360 era they wrote off $1bn due to RROD.
These were both huge mistakes (rather than calculated decisions) which cost them loads of money. The only area where they have shown a willingness to throw money away is on GamePass where they are losing money on what they deem to be a loss leader.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Microsoft
From the 1990s onward the term became most often associated with Microsoft. Roger Irwin said:[10]
In 2000, Microsoft settled the lawsuit out-of-court for an undisclosed sum, which in 2009 was revealed to be $280 million
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It is certainly cheaper, and there is no risk of paying 280M, to use organized fanboys.
Just release the leak on your own website, RDNA1, without RT, 8TF, 36CUs and leave the rest to your fanboys.
You're being ridiculous. Github isn't "their" website in a way where they have access to all 3rd-party content hosted there. You do realize if they did such, like with the spec leaks, they would be open to a lawsuit by both Sony and AMD?
This is nothing more than a fanboy conspiracy theory. Both Microsoft and Sony have shares in a LOT of different companies, including service-based ones like Github. Stop thinking everything you see as a negative against one brand to be intentional sabotage by their competitor. If you want to blame anyone for the spec leaks, blame the AMD employee who didn't secure their folder contents.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's also going to be funny if proves that the consoles are in close in power after Xbox fans were saying the gap between both consoles are huge .
Shi11
Banned
You're right...
Here's a fun blind test, lets label these, I bet everyone will have a hard time telling which is which
dont mean to be an ass, but it's very easy to see which one is the xbx. Blurriness is noticeable straight away.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Get your popcorn ready for that Assassins Creed Valhalla comparison video.
demigod
Member
So I heard that he was part of xbox discord, anyone have a link?
I see that he got demoted as a mod on ree, how embarrassing.
Quite funny how people think the PS5 will be weaker and more expensive. Bloomberg estimated the PS5 to be $450 and zhuge estimated the XSX to be$450+. You are delusional if you think MS is willing to lose way more than Sony per console. The price of the One and One X should tell you this. Also with them and xbox fans keep reiterating its all about Game Pass now and not about hardware sales, why should they lose even more money? Use your brains.
I see that he got demoted as a mod on ree, how embarrassing.
Quite funny how people think the PS5 will be weaker and more expensive. Bloomberg estimated the PS5 to be $450 and zhuge estimated the XSX to be$450+. You are delusional if you think MS is willing to lose way more than Sony per console. The price of the One and One X should tell you this. Also with them and xbox fans keep reiterating its all about Game Pass now and not about hardware sales, why should they lose even more money? Use your brains.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
You're under the assumption Sony is untouchable in the game space. They aren't. XGS has devs that give Sony studios a run for their money and there are more coming. Sony are not untouchable.
More than likely next gen, Sony will have major competition on: 1) Price. 2) Gamepass. 3) Game streaming. 4) Software.
Clearly Microsoft has made heavy investments on the gaming side. And they aren't trying to rush games out the door anymore - just look at Halo Infinite. Sony has stiff competition coming next gen. And that probably explains why their buying a bunch of 3rd party exclusives. They obviously feel threatened by Microsoft.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Also, the entire point of Lockhart is to undercut the PS5. If the XSX is $399 then Lockhart would be undercutting the XSX. It makes zero sense.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
You're right...
Here's a fun blind test, lets label these, I bet everyone will have a hard time telling which is which
Not sure exactly what labels I'm meant to use but the one on the left has better image quality.
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Kamina
Golden Boy
So you mean MS didnt mean to market Halo as Next Gen title?
And lol @Fable, a game that doesnt even exist yet. Obviously it wont hold XSX back, if it isnt also being released in current gen.
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geordiemp
Member
You're right...
Here's a fun blind test, lets label these, I bet everyone will have a hard time telling which is which
Yawn the 1 game that had a benefit and a faulty upscale on ps4 pro. You keep believing.
geordiemp
Member
The devs have aleady said they are both 4k30, so hardly a feast...
I guess we will get our microscopes out and stare at the puddles for a reflection that is not perfectly aligned to the light source and then the fanboys can go silly, its got more rays....I can tell....
And XSX will probably have slower loads, maybe some halo type pop in....if the velocity architectire is ready and not just hot air.
Poppy Puddlegate - exciting.
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Journey
Banned
Yawn? get some sleep, and when you wake up and smell the coffee, realize that X1X won pretty much every face-off, except a minor few/ As a refresh console with developers still focusing on XBO and PS4, you can't expect every developer to fully take advantage of the hardware, but as the base consoles for next gen, that will be a certainty just like XBO and PS4.
We will never see anything significant for non-pixel counters IMO. There will never be an actual game that X can handle and PS5 cannot. The Series S is real, confirmed by controller retail packaging. That means without a doubt that every game that runs on X will be designed for a much weaker machine even if the devs abandon the One. No doubt some 4k resolutions will end up checker boarded on PS5, but they will ultimately look and play just fine for 99% of gamers. You, me, and everyone who is not wishful thinking knows that Series S is the target specs for next gen, because MS cannot afford to have a game ship that runs on X and does not on S.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
There are things you aren't taking into consideration like performance drops. Which VRR cannot address on a 30fps game even if you own a HDMI 2.1 TV
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geordiemp
Member
XSX had 50 % more TF, and about same extra bandwidth, and was a full year later - too late for last gen IMO.
So what ? We are down to 15 % now, and Ps5 has more customistaion going by all the Geometry engine patents - lets see what shakes out.
geordiemp
Member
They will both be dynamic anyway, and both can do 4k comfortably, it will be the ray tracing and effects, LODs and loading slight details which nobody will give a shit about.
Just keep hoping eh ?
hyperbertha
Member
Dusk Golem: Xbox is more powerful than ps5.
Craig: He's lying guys. They couldn't make me look beutiful without Raytracings. I'm being held back by Xbox Done and SeriesS.
Who to believe ?
Craig: He's lying guys. They couldn't make me look beutiful without Raytracings. I'm being held back by Xbox Done and SeriesS.
Who to believe ?
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MasterCornholio
Member
Dusk Golem: Xbox is more powerful than ps5.
Craig: He's lying guys. They couldn't make me look beutiful without Raytracings. I'm being held back by Xbox Done and SereeseS.
Who to believe ?
I would say believe the ones that say the XSX is more powerful but don't believe the ones that claim the PS5 is a broken system.
Does that work?
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
They will both be dynamic anyway, and both can do 4k comfortably, it will be the ray tracing and effects, LODs and loading slight details which nobody will give a shit about.
Just keep hoping eh ?
Who told you they would use a dynamic resolution scaler?
MasterCornholio
Member
Are you saying that dynamic resolution won't be used with any XSX game?
If I'm not wrong Halo Infinite was said to run "up to 4K" so It is indeed possible on the XSX.
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My opinion, both systems will use lower resolutions or dynamic resolutions and even upscaling techniques when they can't hit a Native 4K. My prediction is that the XSX will have more Native 4K games than the PS5 however not all games will be Native 4K on the system.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I'm specifically referring to Valhalla. I don't recall them saying "up to 4K".
itsjustJEFF
Member
Does this mean that games running on PC using DLSS2.0 also considered Fake 4K?!?! Confirmed, Series X is only true Native 4K machine!
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Using DLSS is at your own discretion. Like choice of FOV, resolution, framerate, and everything else.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Did they say anything about the PS5 version?
Let's talk about theoretical numbers and forget this reality:
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I have to thank this idiot from Dusk for "changing a narrative"
Very good to keep MS comfortable "because we have the power, games don't matter, did you see on the internet that everyone talks about power and not GAMES?"
12TF >>>>>> GAMES
thank you golem dusk.
MS:
did you see how nobody talks about the shit pile of Xbox games? nobody complains about:
- CG fake without date
- Halo trash gameplay
- postponement without a new Halo date
- xbox without exclusives in 2020, 2021 and 2022.
Everyone is talking about the magical power of TF ... all that matters is TF, even without games to show the power.
MS: "We are right, nobody cares about games, but they do call TF and talk shit about PS5 on the internet. Our fans don't care about 2 years without exclusives, they are more interested in talking shit about PS5 on the internet"
This is the feedback that MS is now reading on the internet, thanks to you dusk golem, dumb clown.
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I have to thank this idiot from Dusk for "changing a narrative"
Very good to keep MS comfortable "because we have the power, games don't matter, did you see on the internet that everyone talks about power and not GAMES?"
12TF >>>>>> GAMES
thank you golem dusk.
MS:
did you see how nobody talks about the shit pile of Xbox games? nobody complains about:
- CG fake without date
- Halo trash gameplay
- postponement without a new Halo date
- xbox without exclusives in 2020, 2021 and 2022.
Everyone is talking about the magical power of TF ... all that matters is TF, even without games to show the power.
MS: "We are right, nobody cares about games, but they do call TF and talk shit about PS5 on the internet. Our fans don't care about 2 years without exclusives, they are more interested in talking shit about PS5 on the internet"
This is the feedback that MS is now reading on the internet, thanks to you dusk golem, dumb clown.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
You tell me. I was addressing someone stating as fact that they would be dynamic resolution when I brought up potential performance differences between the two versions.
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MasterCornholio
Member
But not a 1080P vs 4K kind of thing correct? I don't think the gap is that big between the two systems.
itsjustJEFF
Member
It's getting such rave reviews and so many are asking for it to be a new "standard" If AMD has a "similar" thing that it could become a thing on PC. Which a lot of PC guys seem to really want.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I'm referring to frame drops. That's not going away.
LittleBusters
Banned
Ok, I get that the PS5 SSD will enable virtually instant loading of the next parts of an open world game. However, how does that help get 4K/60fps on other games?
MasterCornholio
Member
Well it's not going away for either system. But they can always lower the settings to lock the framerate.
geordiemp
Member
Most triple AAA for last few years, do you think it will drop frames lol, really ?
Your desperate to find something FUD for ps5, its just sad....
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BlueXImpulse
Banned
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.
geordiemp
Member
Strawman...however, everytging helps...
You have 16 ms to do everything you need within that frame, that includes time spent on CPU, logic, GPU, caches, SSD loading into memory for streaming data, audio, EVERYTHING.
One botteneck holding up RAM can slow down you budget to do other things....its not as simple as GPU is graphics power especially on a common RAM system
Everything has a time taken that adds up, the RAM is common, go figure it out....
When CPU is doing things in RAM, GPU is not, when SSD is streaming an asset needed into RAM, GPU could be waiting....its called a GPU stall.
Add up those cycles....pipelines...
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MasterCornholio
Member
I think your misunderstanding what the SSD does wrong. It's not going to magically increase framerate or resolution it will allow the system to load in assets more quickly. Which can allow it to load in higher quality assets. If it can't load those assets fast enough it has to lower smaller assets which can potentially lead to a decrease in the quality of assets displayed.
This won't necessarily increase framerate and resolution but it can help with the quality of the assets displayed.
I've used this image to show that while you can get something at Native 4K 60FPs the quality of the assets can be lower than that. Just as an example and not to trash Halo Infinite or anything.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
You're right...
Here's a fun blind test, lets label these, I bet everyone will have a hard time telling which is which
Yeah, it's really hard to tell the blurry mess with the Vaseline filter on the right is the PS4 Pro.
Edit: totally wrong post got quoted for some reason, Sorry.
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BurnCoalMeltPole
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I am so tired of the Sony fans always crying about their ridiculous conspiracy theories; Digital Foundry, Dusk Golem, Xbox fans all paid shills, GitHub, FUD, FUD everywhere, Jeff Grub, Xbox Discord, Tom Warren and on and on and on. The whole world is plotting against poor Mother Sony.
Here is a website I think Sony fans would enjoy:
Infowars: There's a War on for Your Mind!
The #1 Independent news service in the world, battling globalism and promoting a pro-human future worldwide. Infowars is Tomorrow's News Today.
www.infowars.com
Typical Sony fan
MrFunSocks
Banned
It doesn’t matter what PR and marketing say, if you’re and adult you should know better than to blindly believe that lol. The game has been in development as an Xbox one title for 5 years lol. It’s an Xbox one game.
Ok so you completely missed the entire point of the fable example lol. Whoosh. Maybe go ask an adult to explain it to you.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Lol yeah that looked like 5 years allright.
Ah and there we have it. Fanboy lacks good arguments and resorts to petty insults.
Continue down that path and you’ll get what you deserve.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
60fps open world game on the current gen. Can you name another one like that? Do you understand why 60fps means graphical compromises have to be made, and even bigger ones in open worlds?
Fable was used as an example of a game not being cross gen, since the narrative the last few days on here has been that MS are forcing EVERY GAME THIS UPCOMING GENERATION to have an Xbox one version.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Wow at that FPS with graphics that look like early current gen.
Fable was not an example for anything because it was just a CGI video. The game doesn't exist yet.
Nobody said they will force every game into cross gen.
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