Werewolfgrandma
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It is pr because it didn't and wasn't going to radically increase performance. It just could.
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Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
Hezekiah
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It's essentially bragging rights for some people. I don't see their being a significant difference in graphics or performance in third-party games.
And even before the Halo reveal I was telling people like Eastwood that Sony has the superior first-party studios, and their games will likely look better than anything on XSX.
I know some will complain about that, but who does Microsoft own that are the same level as Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Guerilla Games for example.
Demon2blades
Member
Well if the Devs were impressed by what they saw once they went to Xbox how come ms didn't have the courage themselves to show software actually running on Thier hardware in what they showed so far instead of showing stuff running on pc because that doesn't speak confident to me and I'm sure Ive seen stuff saying the opposite from other Devs regarding ps5 Vs xbox completely opposite to what you say
It's silly season with the rumours at the moment .
spartan30gr
Member
Hey mr dusk !!!this made from a machine with only 1.8 teraflops gpu
Stop bothered people with this nonsensen 4k bullshits then
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
12 TFLOPS that can't do better than Sony 1st party games on ps4 pro.
12 TFLOPS and Craig, Phil.
ScaryBrandon
Banned
Cerny didn't engineer shit. He just selected the parts to go on a console and he did a poor job at it.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
True, it won't. How I currently understand how it works and as simply as I can explain it is thus:
Assuming a dev optimises fully to the electrical power budget it will in simple terms mean the GPU/CPU will reduce clocks on a map screen/simple graphics and run at full clocks during the eyegasm graphics moments. All of this is fluctuating every ~2ms I imagine too.
LeftThumbstick
Member
This is some next level projection here I swear. Wait, I should be calling it “next gen” projection since Sony.
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KingT731
Member
All that to make an attempt at the 9TF fud... you even try to push that "30%" which would put the PS5 @ 8.5TF. Cut it out.
LeftThumbstick
Member
Like most game’s already do and have been for about 10 years?
Insane Metal
Member
The 12TF machine is stronger than the 10.2TF machine?
I'M SHOCKED
I'M SHOCKED
aries_71
Junior Member
But, but, but, but... Cerny is our almighty god! How dare you!
aries_71
Junior Member
The hell they do... I put Destiny or Battlefield 5 in an Xbox one and on 5000€ computer and all I get is mostly better framerate and resolution. Maybe some better texturing and shadows. But geometry, animation, global illumination is still the same.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Please, don't match Craig. Please no!
12 TFLOPS Phil.
Are you a bot or just really dimwitted and unimaginative?
12 TFLOPS that can't do better than Sony 1st party games on ps4 pro.
12 TFLOPS and Craig, Phil.
Calverz
Member
Talking about 3rd parties.
Handy Fake
Member
Put another coin in the jukebox, baby.
Mr Moose
Member
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
There's no denying the Series X is more powerful, but I doubt the difference will be huge.
MiguelItUp
Member
Exactly. The "strongest console" doesn't mean anything, it's what is done with it that matters most. I still don't understand the whole, "HURR DURR CONSOLE I WANT IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER" thing. I mean, if you want to flex about something being the strongest, build a PC and go nanners with the specs, lol.I mean yeah this was expected just based on the specs, but it's also going to come down to how devs use it and I think that's going to matter more in the long run.
I think at the end of the day though, both consoles will have some killer looking titles
Both consoles will definitely look great in the long run. It's funny how this topic stirs people up so bad.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Trying to once again steer the narrative towards power is hilarious.
We're midway through August, with tech demos and games unveiling before us, devs chiming in publicly, and some people still trying to make this shit fly.
We're midway through August, with tech demos and games unveiling before us, devs chiming in publicly, and some people still trying to make this shit fly.
farmerboy
Member
And upscale it to 4k. I'd be happy with that.
reinking
Gold Member
This guys again? Does he have any credibility left after the last time he had to walk back his comments? If you have to start out by saying "I'm going to hate myself later for responding to this I can feel it..." then maybe don't respond if you are continuing to spread fud. Yes, the Xbox Series X is going to be more powerful. None of us, including "insiders" at this point know pricing. Period.
Maybe I should become an "insider" because I would have about a good a chance of being right as most of the ones out there. I have been saying $500 since they announced new consoles. Microsoft set that target when they launched the Xbox One X. The market (both demand and supply cost) may have pushed it a little above that mark. Power? We have seen the specs. We know the Series X is more powerful so we also know it will have an easier time hitting higher marks in certain situations.
Maybe I should become an "insider" because I would have about a good a chance of being right as most of the ones out there. I have been saying $500 since they announced new consoles. Microsoft set that target when they launched the Xbox One X. The market (both demand and supply cost) may have pushed it a little above that mark. Power? We have seen the specs. We know the Series X is more powerful so we also know it will have an easier time hitting higher marks in certain situations.
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BluRayHiDef
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It will stay at that frequency most of the time, dropping only under the following conditions:
1. When it's rendering something simple, such as an in-game main menu, in order to avoid rendering such a simple image hundreds of times per second and thus producing unnecessary heat and drawing unnecessary power.
2. When it's rendering something intensive that could cause it to exceed its power budget; in this case, it will drop by 2% to 4% in order to remain within its power budget. Cerny has stated that this scenario will be rare.
Mr. PlayStation
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BlueXImpulse
Banned
This literally confirms that it's incompetent and unskilled devs which are the issue, not the technology. Which brings us right back to the 15-18% different not mattering.
TJC
Member
I find it amusing that whenever Xbox receive awful news someone comes out with some PS5 "bad news". Such nonsense the gap this gen is bigger than next gen and look at the games. PS5 will have the best looking games next gen just like this gen. If you're bothered about Sony using a checkerboard technique or something similar you must have be wearing a magnifying glass for viewing.
sircaw
Banned
Personally i think the ps5 will be more expensive.
They added so much custom silicon, the controller is state of the art with new tech, the best ssd out there by far.
The cooling system has to be more expensive than the xboxs too, i think it's just a better machine in terms of quality or more advanced tech.
Xbox is nice but should be cheaper, i don't want to use the word inferior in quality but it's deftly not as innovative as Ps5,
Xbox should cost less to reflect the difference.
As for fake 4k, bring it on, i did not notice that on ps4, nor did it ruin my experience. Having to be told by someone that it sucks, and that i need to zoom in on something 800% does nothing to me.
They added so much custom silicon, the controller is state of the art with new tech, the best ssd out there by far.
The cooling system has to be more expensive than the xboxs too, i think it's just a better machine in terms of quality or more advanced tech.
Xbox is nice but should be cheaper, i don't want to use the word inferior in quality but it's deftly not as innovative as Ps5,
Xbox should cost less to reflect the difference.
As for fake 4k, bring it on, i did not notice that on ps4, nor did it ruin my experience. Having to be told by someone that it sucks, and that i need to zoom in on something 800% does nothing to me.
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geordiemp
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Yes and if you believ one you tuber, then RGT and RDNA3 rumour must also be correct, and allJason HSchrier stufff, and oh moores law is dead ps5 is better GPU technology.
Believe the you tuber that is aligned with your expectations then all is fine.
I take all you tubers witha large grain of salt, only thing I have read in last week that is real is the Cerny GPU patent compressing GPU vertex and shaders while processing in the GPU logged last week, maybe thats how Sony first party are doing 4K with ray tracing so early.....who knows.....maybe Capcom being 60 % and PC port means they have not used new GPU stuff yet.....
but whatever floats your boat.
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Journey
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Could be the combination of having 52 CU's and 560GB/s bandwidth compared to 36 CU and 448GB/s... If RDNA 2 scales the same way as RDNA 1 where CU's matter much more than clock speeds, then there's your answer.
eyesabitdull
Banned
I thought this has been established?
Why does it matter by the end of it, however?
X1X most powerful console available today, but where are the first party games utilizing it to it's fullest in the recent years?
XSEX has very great hardware and it should be firmly established that it is indeed the superior hardware, much like the X1X.
Now show me the games.
Why does it matter by the end of it, however?
X1X most powerful console available today, but where are the first party games utilizing it to it's fullest in the recent years?
XSEX has very great hardware and it should be firmly established that it is indeed the superior hardware, much like the X1X.
Now show me the games.
Closer
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NOOOO Y DIDNT U LOCKHART IF OLD WRYYYYYY
Journey
Banned
Why do developers keep targeting the weaker hardware wah wah blah blah
*Buys weaker hardware*
MasterCornholio
Member
No that's Lockhart according to him.
Kidding guys I know the Lockhart is supposed to be the 1080P next gen system.
Die Namek Ability
Member
what i find interesting about these tweets is the struggle to hit 4k statement. Wasn't DF shocked when they realized almost all the games at the Sony show were running native 4k with no indication of VRS?
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Javthusiast
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No shit, so is one X and yet it didnt do anything in the fight against a weaker ps4. It barely had any noticeable differences in third party games.
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ZywyPL
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"People see what they want to see" - nicy try kid, but I'm not falling for that one - 8.5TF+30% = 11TF, so I don't know, maybe you simply suck at math, or you are indeed frighted, uncertain, and doubtful about your beloved piece of plastic of choice and see everyone/everything as a personal attack, but I don't give a flying fuck about such shitty persons, welcome to my ignore list kid, and get a life it it hurts you so much. Bye.
LordOfChaos
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Wasn't the original FUD that it was struggling with RE in 1080p, now it's "expect a lot of fake 4K"?
I'd actually prefer the GPU be used in other ways and just use 1440p and next gen checkerboard rendering. Seeing what DLSS can do with quite low resolutions, if it's anywhere near as good.
I'd actually prefer the GPU be used in other ways and just use 1440p and next gen checkerboard rendering. Seeing what DLSS can do with quite low resolutions, if it's anywhere near as good.
bargeparty
Member
This is really getting old now. No one cares, no one who's not 12 or some console loyal moron cares. It's all about the games and in the end we all know how that's going to shake down.
Also Grubb sounds like an idiot.
Also Grubb sounds like an idiot.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
To busy playing Halo infinite on dreams to answer. 1st on Playstation, no 12TFLOPS needed. ❤
❤Edit: you mean all the guys showing their big .... about the 12 TFLOPS - before the Craig drama - were bots? I can see MS doing that... in a 12 TFLOPS Craig fashion.
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BurnCoalMeltPole
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I do not think you understand how this technology works. Just because a game runs with an unlocked frame rate does not imply that the APU needs to be throttled (however minor) to compensate. Just as an example, a GPU’s stream processors often lie idle during rendering; referred to as ‘bubbles’ or pipeline stalling. Asynchronous compute can help fill those bubbles, but based on Cerny’s talk it sounds like this is unlikely to have much if any effect as far as throttling is concerned. He offers an atypical example, and then says throttling by only a couple percent is plenty to curtail heat production.
Hopefully dynamic resolution scaling is commonly employed, because it is a more efficient method for rendering, allowing spare power to be used elsewhere.
splattered
Member
I skipped from page 1 to page 7 and this thread is going exactly as i figured it would.
Xbox will be cheaper and more powerful and offer more value in Gamepass at a lower overall cost to the consumer.
Playstation will be more expensive and less powerful but will offer small niche mechanics the Xbox doesn't have, like being able to blow into the controller.
Both systems are going to have half baked games at launch and in a year or two we will start seeing better games.
Playstation will have some amazing looking first party games but suffer when it comes to third party.
The end.. we can close the thread now.
Xbox will be cheaper and more powerful and offer more value in Gamepass at a lower overall cost to the consumer.
Playstation will be more expensive and less powerful but will offer small niche mechanics the Xbox doesn't have, like being able to blow into the controller.
Both systems are going to have half baked games at launch and in a year or two we will start seeing better games.
Playstation will have some amazing looking first party games but suffer when it comes to third party.
The end.. we can close the thread now.
ZywyPL
Banned
Dynamic scaling + CBR should be the way to go if you ask me, just like in Gears 5, when if the game can hit native 4K, it hits it, but if not, then the res automatically drops and CBR steps in, so even if it drops to 1800/1620/1440p it still looks great, it's the best of two worlds really.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh. So first PS5 struggles with 1080p, and now narrative shifted to 4k
he is just a
Exactly! Like come on bro! No game has been shown on the Xbox Series X dev kits yet, but I'm supposed to believe the gap between the two is PS5 can barely do 1080p but the XSX can easily do 4K?!?!
Percentages ALWAYS matter. It's how you honestly measure the difference between things.
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Journey
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You're right...
Here's a fun blind test, lets label these, I bet everyone will have a hard time telling which is which
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