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No, this would be a first and an innovation in the handheld space.Are there previous examples of a docking system increasing power of a handheld system?
No, this would be a first and an innovation in the handheld space.Are there previous examples of a docking system increasing power of a handheld system?
I think the dock will be dumb, that just allows for the console to draw more power and the clocks are unlocked to allow more resolution. If the dock has another chip, the tech required to make the console and the dock work together and theprice of the dock itself would be astronomical.
The thread is approaching 150 pages. People have been talking about it. A lot.
I really hope they go with down-clocking the more powerful chip.You are looking at this from the wrong direction... Basically the logical way to create a device like this is to have active cooling in the device, but only use it when clocked high. Using a qHD screen like the Vita and a 5inch to 6inch screen should give a fair resolution to your games, while allowing the device to only worry about 500k pixels per frame, so you only need 1/4th the clock.
Lets say the X2 is a 384cuda core chip with a max standard clock of 1.6ghz (reasonable for Pascal) obviously this isn't something you could do in a handheld with any sort of battery life and without the fan being active, so you clock it at 1/4th that clock or 400mhz, this gives you 307gflops, which for 540p gaming with pascal, should net you between XB1 and PS4 performance. You then dock the device and allow the GPU to upclock to it's max standard clock of 1.6ghz, giving you 1.228TFLOPs, almost exactly what XB1 has, but pascal? you see a ~30% performance increase over GCN, so this would feel like an AMD GPU with 1.6tflops, hitting just below PS4.
This would be a device built with hybrid in mind, with X1 it becomes more tricky, you end up with a 128gflops handheld and a 512gflops console (when docked), still very powerful when compared to Vita, and maybe 2 to 3 times as powerful when compared to Wii U (assuming you are doing 1080p vs Wii U's more often than not 720p) it is lack luster and can only really do XB1 1080p ports at 720p. I feel X2 is the only choice for them, and the performance depends heavily on how many cuda cores X2 has, 384 is the magic number here, which is 50% more than X1, it's possible that Nintendo creates the perfect hybrid, but we will have to wait and see.
Detachable controllers means that there will be some holes on the side (most probably). So those could double as vents and use them for active cooling while docked.
I keep going back to the thought... it just makes too much sense to me. Iwata said it's not a hybrid, and I can't imagine he'd lie about it.... and nearly all of the big patents we've seen lately are playing a role in this latest rumor, except for the SCDs...
I'm still convinced, this isn't a hybrid, this is our portable. The TV docking seems like something that could have been added late in development (maybe not post Iwata, but maybe so)... and we still have the fact that NX is supposed to be a platform of devices, not a single device... Meaning what we're seeing here is "device 1".
Thinking like that (series of devices, this rumor focusing on a mobile version, and the fact that we're seeing developers starting to come out as excited for it), I think we're seeing the base of the NX, with the true 'console' SCD coming out around Christmas.
The dock is meant to be a stop-gap for the flagging Wii U sales for those that want a console experience (and one that should still outdo the Wii U even if it can't meet Xbone levels) until the SCD is ready down the line... With the base system containing a lot of the hardware (controller, storage, cartridge reader), the SCD can be a staggered 'upgrade' for a sub-console cost, with a bundle with both also being available in time for November Christmas shopping.
*spitballing*
All that said, I still don't imagine the SCD will/would compete with the Neo or Scorpio, it's just not Nintendo's style.
(edit) Keep in mind... a full on console with a full on handheld at launch would inflate the price pretty greatly, something Nintendo has experience with that ended poorly... I expect whatever the first NX device to be, it's going to be "affordable" compared to the other consoles (see the original Wii) with the SCD being about the same price as the base unit to extend it... For that reason, I don't think the dock will contain any additional hardware or be any more than what the rumor already says it is, just a way to get TV out.
I want it to happen, but it's probably more likely that it's a touch screen.What are the chances of the screen being auto-stereo 3D?
This could be a bit pricey. A handheld, a dock and controllers, maybe around $350-400.
I'm betting on $399 for the base model. I wish they'd sell for $250, but I'm convinced they'll try to market at premium hardware price no matter what.
That's what I want to know too.
You're supposed to be able to play BotW on that thing.
No, this would be a first and an innovation in the handheld space.
A million and one dollars.
Third party support is barely going to matter given that they've only got one system to support. All of Nintendo's development focused on one system plus the slightly better third party support they've got on their handhelds.
It's not going to be lacking software, other than from Western devs.
it seems like Nintendo is positioning the NX to be where mobile gamers will "graduate" to, so to speak, so having all their mobile stuff work on NX seems like a no brainer as to make that transition easier.
"oh you like pokemon go and animal crossing mobile thingy? well here's their full fledged counterparts on NX! and hey, all your mobile stuff transfers over too!"
Not sure if this has been discussed, but where do people think the price point for games will come in?
Hand held games have come in around $40 forever, while console games have been floating between $60-$70. Are we going to see $50 games across the board? Or is Zelda and Mario going to be $60 and more typical hand held games still running $40?
Not sure if this has been discussed, but where do people think the price point for games will come in?
Hand held games have come in around $40 forever, while console games have been floating between $60-$70. Are we going to see $50 games across the board? Or is Zelda and Mario going to be $60 and more typical hand held games still running $40?
Or, how to have a truly awful weight balance...The 6" 540p capacitive touch screen tablet. For light games, apps and Internet browsing.
A controller attachment for heavy games with full controls. The controller attachment is only one piece and not rumoured 2 piece. It's simply is the bottom half of a DS withiut the screen.
Not sure if this has been discussed, but where do people think the price point for games will come in?
Hand held games have come in around $40 forever, while console games have been floating between $60-$70. Are we going to see $50 games across the board? Or is Zelda and Mario going to be $60 and more typical hand held games still running $40?
I am betting 300 with "value adds" and a 250 SKU.
Probably will vary between $40 and $60... I mean, it wouldn't make sense for Zelda to launch at $40 on NX and $60 on Wii U, they'll both be $60. Something closer to a traditional handheld game will probably be $40.
I think the bolded is more likely and has precedent with things like Captain Toad on Wii U, Ratchet and Clank on PS4 launching st $40.
150 is my hopeMCV says expected is cheaper than current consoles. And NX will be cheaper than expected according to their sources.
Under that scenario, all the processing power would be in the dock. The dock woukd just be a small console.
If they were packaged seperately its more likely that one would be the portable version only- no dock.
MCV says expected is cheaper than current consoles. And NX will be cheaper than expected according to their sources.
150 is my hope
I think I missed this in the last few pages. Link?
The price of an XBox Elite controller?150 is my hope
So, just to be clear, in addition to Eurogamer, the following outlets have backed up this report to varying degrees:
IGN
Kotaku
WSJ
MCV
No one should be doubting this report at this point.
Third party support is barely going to matter given that they've only got one system to support. All of Nintendo's development focused on one system plus the slightly better third party support they've got on their handhelds.
It's not going to be lacking software, other than from Western devs.
Never said i was buying it. Just want nintendo to liveYou said you were not buying it. What changed?
Youd think the biggest trick here will be to ensure the mixed and confused messaging that surrounded the Wii U from day one is avoided.