ViewtifulJC
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The "ultra" and giant grappler playstyle is pretty obvious overcompensation.
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The "ultra" and giant grappler playstyle is pretty obvious overcompensation.
UltraDavid
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the cal bears were in fact one of the worst teams in the country last year, hot dang they were garbage
as for my wang size, thankfully i've never hooked up with anyone in the fgc so i can keep at least that closely held! and i mean real closely held, if it was an article of clothing it'd be less of an overcoat and more of a skintight leotard
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Shouta
Member
I'd say it's still too early to say that particularly because Hawk's days as a viable grappler are still young so his players are still getting into a position to do well. There were 2 Hawks and 2 Giefs in Top 16 between 3 players. Itazan mostly played Gief and he's been a gief main so his Hawk probably up to his Gief yet. KOG's a Hawk main but he's also mega-yolo which has advantages and disadvantages.
Lambda Pie
Banned
always good to see different games get more people in.
UltraDavid
Member
if we're just talking about gief, hawk, and hugo, then i agree that it's still up in the air between gief and hawk. a gief main, a hawk main, and a gief/hawk in the top 16, but also another hawk just outside that in top 32!
if you want to put hakan in that group, then i think definitely hakan is the best of them, but he's good in large part because of weird non-grapplery stuff like focus dash normal canceling so i'm never sure if he belongs in the same classification.
gief, hawk, and hakan are all good though! i think hugo's potential ceiling is up there too, but we'll see. and if you factor in characters like makoto and abel, this is just about the best street fighter game and one of the best fighting games ever for grappler fans.
I personally think Hawk is the scarier of the two characters to fight against. He has better footsies thanks to his really solid normals and better mobility.
Professor Beef
Banned
I think Hugo is good, but boy howdy does he require amazing reads. You can't just throw stuff out there, except maybe st.mp
RockTurtle
Member
btw how did vxg do in the first day?
i tuned in for 5 minutes but stream went down and i said fuck it.
i tuned in for 5 minutes but stream went down and i said fuck it.
Deckard Cain
Banned
I agree that Ultra Hawk has not been optimized yet.
sixteen-bit
Member
From Xians instagram, his gf got this since he didn't do well as well as he'd like at EVO.
Aaaawwwww
When will it be my turn to have a QT 3.14 SF4 playing gf
them feels
Shouta
Member
Yeah, I didn't bring Hakan into the equation because of his options being good but also because he's not a regular grappler in mastery either. You have more stuff and have to master more stuff beyond what the grapplers do.
Thanks for reminding me about Hung! I wanted to get some matches with him this weekend too but I barely got any casuals. None with Tokido or KOG either but they were busy with MMs left and right, lol.
Also, I went in lab'd Gief vs Fei a little bit and it really is mega-awful unless you're willing to take some risks. I didn't realize it but Fuudo was doing j.hk against Snake Eyes because it can't be beaten by lariat. Woof. Hawk vs Fei is definitely the better one as far as Grapplers go.
UltraDavid
Member
Yeah jump hk is good, although Gief can beat it with ex hand. I don't think that matchup is actually awful, just a slight loss for Gief. It looked so hard because Fuudo played one of the best defensive walls I've ever seen in SF4!
Hahaha, I wasn't directing it to you Anne. Osu came in a bit heavy with his comment, he sounded a little bit enraged from his comment, but that's just probably me that saw it that way. Somebody else clarified it in a more suitable fashion.
I completely and fully agree with this statement. Its the reality of the situation.
It was never one to begin with, in my eyes. The more we can bury that fraudulent tournament in the casket, the better.
Shouta
Member
I dunno, feels like speed and ways Gief's normals hit make it really hard to fight Fei on the ground when I was playing with it. Green hand buff helps a lot now though which is nice.
I do agree that it's in part due though. Most Feis aren't going to be a brick wall like him.
UltraDavid
Member
Speaking of the grapplers, here's my list for which of Zangief, Hawk, Hugo, and Hakan I'd use against each character. I'll say if I think they all lose, and if I think more than one does just as well then I'll list that too.
-Abel: Zangief/Hawk
-Adon: Zangief
-Akuma: Hakan
-Blanka: Zangief
-Boxer: Hakan
-Cammy: Hugo
-Chun: all lose; Zangief
-Claw: Zangief
-Cody: Hawk
-Dan: Hawk/Hugo
-Decapre: Zangief/Hawk/Hugo
-DeeJay: Zangief/Hakan
-Dhalsim: Hakan
-Dictator: Zangief/Hugo
-Dudley: Zangief/Hawk/Hugo
-Elena: Zangief/Hawk
-EvilRyu: Hakan
-Fei: all lose, Hawk
-Fuerte: all lose, Zangief
-Gen: Hawk, Hugo
-Gouken: Hakan
-Guile: Hakan
-Guy: Hugo
-Hakan: Hawk
-Hawk: all lose, Hakan
-Honda: Hugo
-Hugo:
-Ibuki: Zangief/Hawk
-Juri: Hakan
-Ken: Zangief/Hawk
-Makoto: Zangief
-Oni: Hakan
-Poison: Hakan
-Rolento: Zangief
-Rose: Hakan
-Rufus: Hugo
-Ryu: Hakan
-Sagat: Hakan
-Sakura: Hawk
-Seth: Hawk
-Viper: all lose, Hawk
-Yang: Zangief
-Yun: Hawk
-Zangief: Hakan/Hawk
Edit: total count
-Hakan: 16
-Hawk: 17
-Hugo: 9
-Zangief: 17
What do you think?
-Abel: Zangief/Hawk
-Adon: Zangief
-Akuma: Hakan
-Blanka: Zangief
-Boxer: Hakan
-Cammy: Hugo
-Chun: all lose; Zangief
-Claw: Zangief
-Cody: Hawk
-Dan: Hawk/Hugo
-Decapre: Zangief/Hawk/Hugo
-DeeJay: Zangief/Hakan
-Dhalsim: Hakan
-Dictator: Zangief/Hugo
-Dudley: Zangief/Hawk/Hugo
-Elena: Zangief/Hawk
-EvilRyu: Hakan
-Fei: all lose, Hawk
-Fuerte: all lose, Zangief
-Gen: Hawk, Hugo
-Gouken: Hakan
-Guile: Hakan
-Guy: Hugo
-Hakan: Hawk
-Hawk: all lose, Hakan
-Honda: Hugo
-Hugo:
-Ibuki: Zangief/Hawk
-Juri: Hakan
-Ken: Zangief/Hawk
-Makoto: Zangief
-Oni: Hakan
-Poison: Hakan
-Rolento: Zangief
-Rose: Hakan
-Rufus: Hugo
-Ryu: Hakan
-Sagat: Hakan
-Sakura: Hawk
-Seth: Hawk
-Viper: all lose, Hawk
-Yang: Zangief
-Yun: Hawk
-Zangief: Hakan/Hawk
Edit: total count
-Hakan: 16
-Hawk: 17
-Hugo: 9
-Zangief: 17
What do you think?
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RockTurtle
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no gief?
even scrub giefs give me a hella bad time online when i play GUY. i have to make them come to me, and i pray i don't fudge it up and eat an SPD to lose all the hp advantage i worked to get.
Magna_Mixalis
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Watching the next level stream... Are all stream chats...this totally pointless? I appreciate non sequitir(sp?) humor and whatnot, but what's happening now isn't even offensive or stupid, just...pointless.
UltraDavid
Member
well, i think guy loses to hugo, gief, and hawk, i just think he loses to hugo worse than to the others
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Why is the cast of Madoka in May's stage?
It only gets much more worse and much more offensive. For the sake of your own sanity, stay away from stream chat, especially during events (and the bigger the event, the worse it is) -- it's like swimming in a cesspool.
Yes.
Only non pointless stream chats are those where there are less than 50 people in chat and the streamer is interacting with the chat.
toddhunter
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As Elf, I would rather face Hawk and Gief over Hakan any day (Don't know about Hugo as I don't have Ultra yet).
His different focus tricks and U2 seem to shut everything down, not to mention having the air throw is also a good counter.
irfaanator
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welcome to being anonymous on the interwebs lol
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UltraDavid
Member
yeah i hear ya, but on the other hand i think fuerte does a good job of running away from hakan when he's oiled and containing him when he's dry. i like that gief can punish all splashes, can u2 fuerte out of the air, and doesn't have to depend on a powerup that the opponent can shut down.
Shouta
Member
Here's my quick list but I'll remove Hakan because my knowledge of him is not good enough to make a proper judgement:
-Abel: Hawk
-Adon: Zangief
-Akuma: Hawk
-Blanka: Zangief
-Boxer: Zangief/Hawk
-Cammy: Hugo
-Chun: All lose - Hawk
-Claw: Zangief
-Cody: Hawk
-Dan: Hawk
-Decapre: Zangief/Hawk
-DeeJay: Zangief/Hawk
-Dhalsim: Zangief
-Dictator: Zangief/Hugo
-Dudley: All win, Hawk
-Elena: Zangief/Hawk
-EvilRyu: Hawk
-Fei: All lose, Hawk
-Fuerte: Hawk
-Gen: Hawk, Hugo
-Gouken: Hawk
-Guile: All lose, Hawk
-Guy: Hugo
-Hakan: Zangief
-Hawk: Zangief/Hawk
-Honda: Hawk/Hugo
-Hugo: Hawk
-Ibuki: Zangief/Hawk
-Juri: Hawk
-Ken: Zangief/Hawk
-Makoto: Zangief/Hawk/Hugo
-Oni: Zangief/Hawk
-Poison: Zangief/Hawk
-Rolento: Hawk
-Rose: All lose, Hawk
-Rufus: Hugo
-Ryu: Zangief/Hawk
-Sagat: Hawk
-Sakura: Hawk
-Seth: Hawk
-Viper: Hawk
-Yang: Hawk
-Yun: Hawk
-Zangief: Hawk/Hugo
I haven't put as much thought into it because I usually focus just on Hawk, lol.
why? in that match all 4 of them would be good, and Gief probably has the best ground control.
I guess Hugo can escape from corners and isn't awful on wakeup? Or is it his armor?
Shouta
Member
She has to come at Hugo to deal damage and her buttons aren't great for playing footsies with him. If she tries to jump at him, st.hp shuts down everything, including divekick afaik. Then there's obviously backbreaker and U2. His big damage in close helps as well.
Decapre does better against Hugo than Cammy IMO because she has the ability to play keep away with him to a ridiculous degree.
I'd guess Backbreaker to shut down CS nonsense.
UltraDavid
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yeah they're all good. hawk might actually have the best ground control but yeah it's either him or gief.
but i'm not worried about cammy on the ground, her footsie tools are ok but not great. i'm more worried about her going airborne, and hugo destroys the air with st hp, ex backbreaker, and u2 being effective from above his head up to about 2/3 screen away. there's no jump hk/empty jump/dive kick mixup against him. even the usually crazy good ex dive loses to all those options. so hugo forces cammy to play mostly on the ground, which is great. he can whiff punish st hk with shorts and cr mp. he also punishes her dp with hp clap into full combo, no reversal required even, so panicking is dangerous for her.
+1 on picking Hugo over Zangief to fight Rufus.
Gief has the reputation for beating Rufus, but you can keep him out by staying between the crouch fierce poke and anti-air standing fierce range. If he whiffs green hand, you get forward throw and positioning. I'm not sure you can still punish it with close fierce in Ultra. I think that's 5/5 at this point or very minorly in Gief's favor.
Hugo just makes me shit my pants. I'm pretty sure I still have nightmares about the first time I got backbreakered out of an ex messiah.
As far as I know.
Gief has the reputation for beating Rufus, but you can keep him out by staying between the crouch fierce poke and anti-air standing fierce range. If he whiffs green hand, you get forward throw and positioning. I'm not sure you can still punish it with close fierce in Ultra. I think that's 5/5 at this point or very minorly in Gief's favor.
Hugo just makes me shit my pants. I'm pretty sure I still have nightmares about the first time I got backbreakered out of an ex messiah.
As far as I know.
Just fun anime references. Back in GGXXAC, they had a look alike cast of the Haruhi characters.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
It's not totally pointless. You can do stuff like if a bald guy goes on stream, you make the LI Joe face. Plus you can express yourself through your account name.
UltraDavid
Member
ex messiah has such long startup that hugo can time a meaty fierce clap and option select an ex backbreaker, such that if rufus stays still he has to block or get hit by the clap, and if he does ex messiah or backdash he gets ex backbreakered. he can't approach via the air to an even greater extent than against gief because of st hp, ex backbreaker, and u2. his cr hp can get counterpoked by hugo short or cr mp on reaction. hugo's dash is fast enough and his kara ex wall throw has such good range that if hugo focuses a rufus max range cr hp, hugo can dash toward and kara ex wall throw rufus right out of his recovery.
by the way, snake eyez thinks that rufus beats zangief!
MiniBossBattle
Member
Snake eyes was on WNF and talked about Lp green hand now punishes sweep. I think he was the only top player to talk about how that one move really changed how he played the game.
Also, why was Ricky so grounded the entire match?
Also, why was Ricky so grounded the entire match?
Did Snake ever jump at a SnakeStrike-punishable distance?
Here I thought all your post would be analytical due to you're avatar. I am much disappoint.
Yams are you sure you're ready for MCAT