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Firewalk Studios is reportedly ignoring Concord criticism
Lambogenie
Member
It's fine if it fails. Not everything is destined to be a hit.
Astray
Member
Can't let reality intrude on a culture war that will totally change video games for the better!
Bert Big Balls
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Great lesson learned. I thought Helldivers 2 would be a small hit with its fanbase and that's it. Maybe sell 2-3 million in the first year. Maybe have 100k MAX concurrent players on PC. Boy was I wrong. LOL!
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's been happening for the past 25 years!!! Why did you start caring about propaganda in games now?
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
For those paying attention, this is *exactly* what WB and Rocksteady did following the lukewarm Suicide Squad reception following it's big unveiling in early 2023. Stick fingers in ear and pretend like it'll just be fine.
The game will likely not do well, and I'm sure the studio will face lay-offs at some point, even with that endless Sony money.
The game will likely not do well, and I'm sure the studio will face lay-offs at some point, even with that endless Sony money.
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I try to ignore games with propaganda, not now, not 10 years ago, not 20 years ago, but they are pretty easy to detect now.
Why don’t you care about propaganda?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What was the propaganda in Halo, Mass Effect, and Splinter Cell?
BbMajor7th
Member
Just to tackle the first one, Halo is pretty much a declaration of the supremacy of US foreign policy and the veneration of military force to solve diplomatic disputes. Almost all video games are: they assume the moral and military primacy of Western political norms and almost always take a 'might is right' view of foreign policy. Has it never struck you as odd that the hero is never the representative of a non-Western, non-capitalistic, non-militarized nation? Why we do we never get to play a socialist hero, destroying the oppressive regime of capitalism? Why do we never solve disputes diplomatically? Why are the enemies always crazed tyrants rather than merely people who view the world differently?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont think the typical studio making a twitchy shooter or RTS game is trying to sway gamers around the world to support the US Army.
FalsettoVibe
Member
If others not liking a game that you don't like affects your whole status as a gamer, then maybe you should just quit now. Don't wait.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not the most enthusiastic before it came out, but nowhere near as how maligned Concord's reception has been since its reveal.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Helldivers pre-release was fine I think. it got nailed in Steam reviews at launch due to server overload, and then later on with PSN sign up debacle. So any negativity stemmed from technical issues.
Concord has shown a trailer or two and the general sentiment on GAF and purple board is it's an Overwatch hero shooter rip off with meh art style and DEI neck deep.
Just wait till the game launches and any potential tech issues which will pile on top of it.
Concord has shown a trailer or two and the general sentiment on GAF and purple board is it's an Overwatch hero shooter rip off with meh art style and DEI neck deep.
Just wait till the game launches and any potential tech issues which will pile on top of it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Why did literally 0 people ever make this claim before 2020?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Perfectly said. Especially the bolded.
New culture wars. Also.......someone didn't get elected in 2020 and we had a pandemic start that same year. Lots of things started getting wacky in 2020.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because propaganda is in the majority of things I like LOL! You can go all the way back to the Rocky movie series. Or Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies from the 70s and 80s.
Doczu
Gold Member
There, you made a misgendwring typo
BbMajor7th
Member
I mean, I did - lots of non-Americans were saying this about games like Call of Duty way back in the noughts - Yahtzee Croshaw made the point in most reviews from that period.
People are only pointing it out more these days as there are so many people arguing that politics and games should be kept apart (post woke) as though it's without precedent. It's not, and it's okay to highlight that.
Even characters like Duke Nukem were engaging in sociopolitical satire - a sort of masculine drag act where all the gender stereotypes were dialled up to 11. Ru Paul and Duke Nukem are two sides of the same silly coin.
Look at the last two Final Fantasy games, XV and XVI. Clive and Noctis, two princes deposed of their hereditary titles on a noble quest to reclaim their birthright to rule over other human beings and live in fancy castles. No questioning the divine right of kings, no scrutiny of absolute power, hereditary governance or republican self determination, just an assumption that some are born to rule and others to serve.
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BbMajor7th
Member
US military has been using gaming to recruit for years now - especially eSports and streaming channels.
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nikolino840
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Good...some devs that have the balls
ReBurn
Gold Member
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
A political fiction is not propaganda if the plot is about politics or a particular ideological topic, regardless of the political stance of its authors. For example, a movie against the death penalty or the Second Amendment is political but not propaganda.
Propaganda is having ideology/politics where it doesn't belong. Some examples from the new Star Wars movies.
* Stupid plot holes: Leia with Jedi powers flying in space (Luke almost died from frostbite in a previous movie), Rei's dumb origins (everything about Rei is peak dumbness)
* Characters behave in unnatural or out-of-character ways: Luke Skywalker becomes a bitter miserable man with no reason.
The most outrageous case in recent years is in that turd called The Batman, where the Waynes are friends of mafia bosses, which completely destroys Batman's lore, just because the writer wanted rich people to be portrayed as shit, no matter if that ruins the whole premise of the character. That is propaganda.
Propaganda is having ideology/politics where it doesn't belong. Some examples from the new Star Wars movies.
* Stupid plot holes: Leia with Jedi powers flying in space (Luke almost died from frostbite in a previous movie), Rei's dumb origins (everything about Rei is peak dumbness)
* Characters behave in unnatural or out-of-character ways: Luke Skywalker becomes a bitter miserable man with no reason.
The most outrageous case in recent years is in that turd called The Batman, where the Waynes are friends of mafia bosses, which completely destroys Batman's lore, just because the writer wanted rich people to be portrayed as shit, no matter if that ruins the whole premise of the character. That is propaganda.
CherryFalls
Member
They benefit from it
Halo2redvsblue
Member
Sad that a 16-year-old game (TF2) still looks better
Halo2redvsblue
Member
I guess that trailer only has 4,000 upvotes and 42,000 downvotes lol
Hawking Radiation
Member
We should hope all games are a success in some way. Would be devastating for a studio to fail and then be closed down.