Yeah he came off as a complete idiot during that.
Was that a while ago? I don't remember it at all.
Yeah he came off as a complete idiot during that.
Was that a while ago? I don't remember it at all.
This and the reaction to Phil Fish's comment about Japanese games has made me think the opposite recently. There's a pile-on mob mentality that gets real vicious real quick over small issues. It's a firestorm of hate that blows something out of proportion and no one but the target will remember it after a week. Valid criticism is usually overrun by hundreds of other people chiming in just to talk shit, which is pretty ugly, in my opinion.
While I think Jason was wrong to get so defensive/antagonistic, he was in a tough position. It's difficult to "prove" these listings because the publishers will just ignore, say "no comment" or deny them even if they're true. If he didn't post it and it was true, then he would have failed to do his job by not reporting it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
GAF needs to chill the eff out.
Hi everyone,
Ive updated the story and run a new item on Kotaku clarifying that the original image was fake. I regret falling for that one, which is thankfully not something thats happened to me many times with the thousands of stories Ive reported. Ive always welcomed criticism but apologize for some of my tone in addressing critics. I do not and have not mass-banned people for criticizing the piece. But I have been casual enough about the criticism here that its allowed some to think that I dont value accuracy and reader feedback. I do.
For my part in making this situation uglier and about something other than the accuracy of one report, Im sorry. Im sure you can imagine its no fun to have your reputation dragged through the mud and have even conversations you thought were private brought into the public domain.
I hope that this one unfortunate incident won't mar all of the work I have been doing and will continue to do at Kotaku, and I invite you all to e-mail me if you have further thoughts, concerns, or critiques.
-Jason
Is such a thing even possible?Or NPD numbers.
Didn't Klepick defend the guy who said game journalists shouldn't have to finish the games they review and insulted several other posters?
Sickens you? Christ, calm down.This just sickens me
Sickens you? Christ, calm down.
The people that say you have to finish a game in order to "review" it use hyperbolic language quite often.
It'd be nice to finish the game before reviewing it. At least "making decent progress" into it.
Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to define what is "enough" so eh ... As long as they're transparent about the playtime, I can't get too upset.
I always liked the review method on Cheap Ass Gamer of all places, where the total play time and trophy/achievement count is listed at the bottom of the review. I'm also a fan of their rating a game based on "recommend purchase price".
Hi everyone,
I’ve updated the story and run a new item on Kotaku clarifying that the original image was fake. I regret falling for that one, which is thankfully not something that’s happened to me many times with the thousands of stories I’ve reported. I’ve always welcomed criticism but apologize for some of my tone in addressing critics. I do not and have not mass-banned people for criticizing the piece. But I have been casual enough about the criticism here that it’s allowed some to think that I don’t value accuracy and reader feedback. I do.
For my part in making this situation uglier and about something other than the accuracy of one report, I’m sorry. I’m sure you can imagine it’s no fun to have your reputation dragged through the mud and have even conversations you thought were private brought into the public domain.
I hope that this one unfortunate incident won't mar all of the work I have been doing and will continue to do at Kotaku, and I invite you all to e-mail me if you have further thoughts, concerns, or critiques.
-Jason
This and the reaction to Phil Fish's comment about Japanese games has made me think the opposite recently. There's a pile-on mob mentality that gets real vicious real quick over small issues.
Didn't Klepick defend the guy who said game journalists shouldn't have to finish the games they review and insulted several other posters?
This and the reaction to Phil Fish's comment about Japanese games has made me think the opposite recently. There's a pile-on mob mentality that gets real vicious real quick over small issues. It's a firestorm of hate that blows something out of proportion and no one but the target will remember it after a week. Valid criticism is usually overrun by hundreds of other people chiming in just to talk shit, which is pretty ugly, in my opinion.
EDIT: According to his Twitter, he's backtracking and saying he was just kidding. Clearly.
but you *don't* have to finish a game in order to review it
Neogaf is Mos Eisley spaceport Confirmed.I'm just kidding! I was only kidding when I called you guys a hive of wretched scum.
I meant a hive of wretched scum and villainy!
Neogaf is Mos Eisley spaceport Confirmed.
Who is our Boba Fett?Who is our Jabba?
Will Kotaku's procedure of submitting articles change after this incident Jason? Are there going to be any new checks in place by the entire editorial team to prevent you and other reporters from publishing an article before you've investigated the source completely and received word back from the source of a leak? Is Kotaku going to continue to disregard honest reporting in favor of a rumor that drives page views? That is what an admission of a mistake would be. An overturn of Kotaku's entire editorial pipeline.
So ... since the Monster Hunter one was pulled, does this mean the dream is dead?
It'd be nice to finish the game before reviewing it. At least "making decent progress" into it.
Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to define what is "enough" so eh ... As long as they're transparent about the playtime, I can't get too upset.
It doesn't prove that MHP3 Vita doesn't exist, but it does at least strongly suggest that the Play.com listing was completely speculative and not based on any actual knowledge on their part of its existence.
That instance barely even revolved around the matter of how much is enough played when reviewing a game- it was solely because the Joystiq reviewer bailed out just because he got outwitted by a fishing game or some shit. Also, it was Nier, so obviously GAF were going to jump on him. It was dumb all around, but, um, you get what you expect from them I guess
Now, if EDGE had done it, there would have been cause for debate
Who is our Boba Fett?
For that, you dont' even need to go further than Sony themselves.Makes me curious what prompted it. I mean, was it just some MH fan in charge of updating? lol
Some others like Lord of Apocalypse is also in there. From a retail pamphlet apparently.
Though it wouldn't surprise me if the list was just made based on "what was shown in the conferences". Which explains not only the "untitled" Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Call of Duty games, but the whole MH Portable 3 (instead of Freedom 3) and Final Fantasy X without nay kind of subtitle (since only the title/logo was shown...Square-Enix is probably going to add some "remastered edition" subtitle).
Kinda reminds me of the Mortal Kombat "Vita game".
Game was announced to be coming, but nothing else. Then the rumored name was "Vitality", then a supposedly fake logo appeared online which was blue and even using the MK Mythologies font.
Then, said logo was "remade" by a site; talking about the possibility of it been fake:
Then said "remade logo" appeared at a Sony press conference in Europe:
Now, the game and name are all but nearly confirmed, but is not the first time that random information and unofficial info is used in official press materials.
Takao said:That MK logo was indeed (look at 2:38) shown at a London event.
So it seems they did indeed used (at least as a base) that logo...
Would be quite lame and sad if that was the final logo afterall. XD
But again, seems that the list is made of many mistakes and nothing is confirmed yet.
For that, you dont' even need to go further than Sony themselves.
As noted on another thread.
An official retail pamphlet (in the US) made the rounds because of the "revelations" that Final Fantasy X and Monster Hunter Portable 3; were listed as upcoming titles.
This and the reaction to Phil Fish's comment about Japanese games has made me think the opposite recently. There's a pile-on mob mentality that gets real vicious real quick over small issues. It's a firestorm of hate that blows something out of proportion and no one but the target will remember it after a week. Valid criticism is usually overrun by hundreds of other people chiming in just to talk shit, which is pretty ugly, in my opinion.
Welcome to humanity where we burn everyone at the stake, not just witches.
We shouldn't have made so many stakes. Now it just feels wrong not to use them.
Brian Crecente said:UPDATE: It appears that this rumor story could be CAG throwing their credibility out the window as part of a contest. Kotaku's decision to run rumors is always based on the credibility of the site and the information contained within it. In the past CAG has proven to be a reliable site, having broken a number of stories through apt reporting. It appears that may no longer be the case.
And that's why you check your primary sources.