But there is no point in demanding better.. because at the moment this is the best show case in real time graphics .
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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ResetEraVetVIP
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shubik
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Yeah same here, wasn't too impressed honestly and this is a next-gen only game running on UE5!
ResetEraVetVIP
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Been going back and forth with my friend about this, he is a pc gamer who is defending the series s like his life dependent on it. I wish the series s didn't exist honestly but I might be being a little too selfish since a lotta people are buying it for its price.
luca_29_bg
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The first next gen what the hell moment for me, i'm watching the trailer in loop, i can't wait! But i have passion for town surrounded by fog and photorealistic graphics...so having one of my favorite game of all the time with this incredible graphics it makes me cazy!!!
GymWolf
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It looks good to great, hardly mindblowing.
Cr1ptkeeper
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I don't understand? To me it looks pre prendered and I don't think it will look this good when it launches. If they manage to get it to run like this at 60 fps it will be one of the best looking games available.
You don't have to like Silent Hill but how can you say you don't like the visuals?
GymWolf
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good to Great visuals is not a compliment?
I'm just not blowed away by the character (especially the face).
Tbf we are talking about a pretty mediocre and small dev team like bloopers so i guess my expectations are too high, i give you that.
Cr1ptkeeper
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Yes, it's made bly Blooper so my expectations are not so high either, that's why I think it's pre rendered and the final game won't look like that.
But if it does... well, count me in
GymWolf
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I think it is perfectly realistic for a game made by bloopers with ue5.Yes, it's made bly Blooper so my expectations are not so high either, that's why I think it's pre rendered and the final game won't look like that.
But if it does... well, count me in
This is like the bare minimum of how a proper next gen game should look, especially a small non-open world one with 4-5 models tops on screen in the busiest moments.
I think people lack imagination and underestimate what we had last gen on a cheap ass 1.3\1.8tf console with laptop cpus...
I assure you that by the end of the gen this game is gonna look cute at best.
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That's awesome, man. Yeah the game looks good but I feel it could have had a higher graphical fidelity taking into account it is a next gen only game running on UE5. I am glad you are liking it though!
My sentiments exactly.
I agree 100%. By the end of this gen this game will be compared to cross-gen games visually.
NightmareFarm
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I'd rather the graphic bump be a modest leap(PS3 to PS4 or weaker) so that we can make 60fps the standard this generation. Then future gens will be able to have wild graphical leaps whilst maintaining 60fps.
ResetEraVetVIP
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From my thread over at ResetEra…
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analog_future
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Holy shit.
Between this, Scorn, and A Plague Tale Requiem, it finally feels like "next-gen" games are really starting to show up.
luca_29_bg
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Well we have to keep in mind that this is most surely a AA budgeted game and this must be keep in consideration, we know that fidelity needs money and time!
Slothbeing1209
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I hope new Faction will looks like this. Tlou part 1 looks amazing.
GymWolf
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Impressive, but how windy is that location? Because the dress seems to have a life on his own, like aloy's hairs.
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GymWolf
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Is that fucking amsterdam?
This shit eat the matrix demo walking section without a sweat.
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GymWolf
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I hope it's gonna look way better than tlou2 in 4k tbh.
I hope new Faction will looks like this. Tlou part 1 looks amazing.
Do we know if it is crossgen or nextgen only?
Yessir that is Amsterdam. They nailed it, all the details, everything they pretty much nailed it to the core. Gorgeous-looking stuff honestly, something I did not expect to say about an FPS game.Is that fucking amsterdam?
This shit eat the matrix demo walking section without a sweat.
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Tbh this looks good, but the Matrix is on another level…Is that fucking amsterdam?
This shit eat the matrix demo walking section without a sweat.
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GymWolf
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Hardly disagree, at least for the open world walking part, i visited amsterdam 15+ times and that shit tricked me for good.
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EDMIX
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Well they are different games, as in MW2 looks amazing in that level, but I don't know if that same team is doing some whole ass city that looks like that, so hard to say.
They both look great, but are aiming for different things.
GymWolf
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Sure, but the hyperbole around that fucking matrix demo has to stop.
The only incredible looking part is a fucking cutscene with a limited shooting gallery (that still has a downgrade when you have to aim and shoot compared to when you don't have control)
The walking part is nowhere near the level of the gifs that people love to post.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
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EDMIX
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ok but, if those gifs exist, clearly it can look good....
The tech demo is merely a demonstration, they are not going to be out here spending 8 years making an actual city to prove this, the fact that they were able to even get that city to that size is a massive feat considering, it is merely a demonstration.
Imagine what can be done with a team focusing on making an actual real game full time for 8 years? So I think its silly to nitpick it, its purpose wasn't to be a final thing as that isn't a flaw of Unreal Engine 5 anymore then a free sample at Costco being able to tell you if you can get full from it or something.
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GymWolf
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I'm not talking about an hypothetic full game, i'm just talking about the demo we have in our hands.
Of course a full team with a big budget is gonna do much better, or at least much better than the walking part, the cutscene looked a bit hard to replicate with full controlled gameplay.
This is from the game and it's pretty awesome.
I think there is a misconception here
That IS gameplay.
We are not in 2K or even 2010 where you had to manually move every object, move every light, add fake effects just for the cutscenes, script every scene, so you have room to do more while there is "no gameplay".
In modern engines, so UE, Unity, in part Cryengine and other stuff from Sony ICE (I don't remember if Decima is ICE or it's just a team inside Naughty Dogs ), you have access to automated "scripts" which, in the end, are all processed in real time like a real game. Most of the job by the CPU is done even when you don't touch the pad.
That's why I find Matrix demo more impressive than the other one with Unity, which was more like an old style demo with "few" routines behind it.
And even in that case, hair physics, muscles physics, light physics, material properties, etc, the CPU has a lot of stuff to do.
EDIT: I just realized someone could say "the demo processed the chase scene in real time and after that there is no need to waste resources on it, so just capture the scene and throw away all the job behind it", which can be true, but I think it's not the case here since the reason why developers do a demo is they need to show the full power. There is no need to fake features to other developers who ALREADY know they could fake a scenes like that.
Always remember the real target of those demos are developers, and they may find impressive some elements that are apparently useless for a gamer.
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GymWolf
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The cutscene look much much better than the part you actually play with full control, the cutscene look like a movie scene in some moments, the walking part like a videogame, not sure how people dpcan't see the difference.
The game doesn't look like the first gif on a lg c1, the gif format make everything look better and you can't notice all the noise the game as when you play live.
Also the car damage system is completely fucked up and random, if you played the demo you know that.
I have no reason to shit on the demo, if they can replicare the car chase with full control then i'm gonna eat a crow and i'm gonna be happy to do it, but for now the walking part didn't impressed me at all if we consider how fucking hyped it was.
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Thanks to a friend of mine, I also played the demo at 4K* on PC at full quality, there were no visibile differences in terms of quality of lighting, shadows, etc. IMHO it was even better without the green filter. Of course you have bugs here and there, and the temporal reconstruction is annoying sometime, but it's also visible in the cutscene, see DF video.
*They say it's not real 4K even when you set this in the options, just temporal reconstruction, but the IQ is still good.
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GymWolf
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I want to try the demo on pc but with my current build i can dream of 4k, the result would be close to my ps5 most probably.
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As I said before, these demos are not meant to impress you, the final gamer. These demos have to impress the developers, of couse they have no value if developers say "we can do the same with our 10yo engine".
For example, some year ago, engines used to show lights everywhere, there was always a part with those lights floating. Nothing impressive for a gamer used to see that lights in many games. Impressive for developers because of the deferred rendering technique behind it.
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SlimySnake
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Thats 15+ STDs.
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It looks really good. On par with TLOU2 if not a bit better.Is that fucking amsterdam?
This shit eat the matrix demo walking section without a sweat.
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Still not next gen.
GymWolf
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Sure the bullshit car chase cutscene part looks better, especially on gif.It looks really good. On par with TLOU2 if not a bit better.
Still not next gen.
EDMIX
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ok Gym, but it still looks good.
Gif is merely showing you what many of us get to see with that demo, its a great demonstration and opens up a lot of possibilities of how open world games can be made using Unreal Engine. Especially those muzzle flashes. The lighting and effects make this scene
GymWolf
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Of course it looks good, I played the demo, i know how impressive the cutscene part is, i said it looks like a movie scene if you are a bit drink or stoned, but that modern warfare 2 stuff look like a movie scene aswell, gif format make everything looks much better and hide all the imperfections and graphical noise.
But I also played the matrix walking part for 20 min trying to understand why slimy switched from catholicism to unrealism for the past 6 months but i can't find the answer to save my life.
It looks great, but many games look great and it didn't impressed me more than hfw or ratchet rift apart.
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The whole matrix demo is mind blowing .. I couldn’t believe what I saw the first time I booted it.. some people still in denial.it’s even mind blowing from a technical point of view.
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GymWolf
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In denial of what exactly?
I have a ps5 and in a couple of months from now a pc capable of running ue5 better than 99% of gaffers, why the hell should i be in denial? I'm gonna play every damn ue5 is gonna be released better than most
Fucking please.
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