Draef the Badger
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Schrier is that you?
Schrier is that you?
This.I really don’t get why you guys care so damn much.
not just that, some of the stuff has also been upping violence up a notch. I'm pretty sure redo of healer will get crucified by critics.I see anime getting hit unfortunately by the censorship bar for all the pedo shit alot of it peddles.
Well, it was Neil Druckmann who said during a panel that he found the designs for Quiet, Cortana, and Ayane problematic. "These characters are role models, whether we like to admit it or not". So he implies that artists everywhere have a responsibility to not have their women show any skin or curves because it might warp a little girl's mind of which the games in question aren't even marketed to. And the thing is, I liked the original The Last of Us but I still think he should show a little more respect to other game developers' creations; just because your game was a success doesn't mean you get to shit on the legacy of other longer-running established IPs.My issue comes from when some journalists or industry figures start shaming the artist behind the designs just because it’s doesn’t follow “western culture”.
I'm not sure, but I fell like i saw that game somewhere.Had that game being woke, the game would have featured two ugly masculine buff females, and shown how all men are stupid incompetent or evil. While being filled with a statistically unusual number of lgbt, which all happen to be virtuous hollow characters with no real description bar their sexuality. It might also have taken racism against whites, and painted religious people in a bad light too, for the full 'woke' experience.
This is kinda bullshit though.. I really have to wonder how much media anyone consumes who genuinely thinks this.yea theres a reason most successful actors and actresses are hot..because it's what we wana see, rather than the fat ugly pigs you see in the supermarket...or my bedroom
I'm not sure, at worse I've seen average looking dudes in movies and tv. But to say ugly as shit?This is kinda bullshit though.. I really have to wonder how much media anyone consumes who genuinely thinks this.
Particularly for famous men; a lot of them are ugly as shit. And there are some fairly ugly dudes who get to play "hot guys" too.. this is only just now starting to happen for women, as they are more involved in writing and production.
Just do a google image search for "character actor." It's basically a term meant for actors who don't rely on looks/charisma. AKA non-leading men. AKA ugly dudes lol (and a few women), who are also often not American (brits, aussies, SA):I'm not sure, at worse I've seen average looking dudes in movies and tv. But to say ugly as shit?
Ah yes lets the person who turned an innocent teenage girl into a vengeous serial killer set the bar for problematic role models...Well, it was Neil Druckmann who said during a panel that he found the designs for Quiet, Cortana, and Ayane problematic. "These characters are role models, whether we like to admit it or not". So he implies that artists everywhere have a responsibility to not have their women show any skin or curves because it might warp a little girl's mind of which the games in question aren't even marketed to. And the thing is, I liked the original The Last of Us but I still think he should show a little more respect to other game developers' creations; just because your game was a success doesn't mean you get to shit on the legacy of other longer-running established IPs.
yea theres a reason most successful actors and actresses are hot..because it's what we wana see, rather than the fat ugly pigs you see in the supermarket...or my bedroom
Yeah, I mean, if a woman is gonna be able to cleave dudes with axes and such shes gonna have muscles. Thats how it works.
Not as convincing as a tough man. So maybe they shouldn't try to compete on strength, but go for quick, mobile, sneaky and athletic.
There is huge spectrum of better possibilities between 15 year old kid and school principal preparing to retirement.The probably want an older character as she is an astronaut. It might also have to do with the story as well. They probably didn't want to go in kiddy Gundam we have a 15 year old in a mech spaceship thing lol
It's polygons. You should NOT be attracted to POLYGONS. Please, seek HELP if this is your sentiment!
It's polygons. You should NOT be attracted to POLYGONS. Please, seek HELP if this is your sentiment!
I feel called out here, and if so, very convenient rephrasing of what I wrote.Heh.. I get a kick out of the "Let the devs do what they want, but stop complaining about hotties and harassing devs for putting them in games."
In a thread complaining uggos in games.. on a forum full of at least monthly if not more threads complaining about uggos in games.. and as of late, there has been plenty of harassing of devs for this as well (Naughty Dog.)
The coin flips both ways here; if you support devs having the artistic freedom and don't like people complaining.. well
This is always one of the dumbest arguments ever.
I feel called out here, and if so, very convenient rephrasing of what I wrote.
The complaints about making in-game models less attractive than their real-life models are legit though, because they’re supported by sheer visual evidence. If someone makes this bigger than it is and actually refuses to play a game because of this, that someone should sort out their priorities. But, when it’s fact, it’s fact. There may be artistic reasons behind it, of course, but when it becomes a trend in games coming from big devs... well.
You have to love the comedy in obliviousness to personal bias sometime, every character with a touch of tomboy would be called a SJW character today, yet, everyone and their mother loved tomboys in fiction since at least the 1800's and it's nothing really new, yet, since there are culture wars that people twist themselves over in social media makes them see their devil everywhere.
I'm pretty sure some decisions are made in games having the influence of some committee, but from that to make the jump to say that every ugly, manly or boyish woman in fiction it's the result of some cultural/political agenda it's a really big fucking leap.
Agreed. Mankind has been making drawings and sculptures to titillate themselves and others for god knows how long. Thousands of years?
Where is he saying that he needs it? Nice strawman.Then you are a sicko if you "NEED" that in all your video games too.
That's why I didn't even bother replying to him.Where is he saying that he needs it? Nice strawman.
Where is he saying that he needs it? Nice strawman.
Not sure why you quoted him then. You are talking about a very small minority. It's their loss if they don't want to potentially play a good game for that reason.I wasn't say Mister Wolf "Needs" it. I'm talking specifically to the gamers that say "screw that game I'm not playing it because the main character is ugly". Those people are sickos to me.
That's what I'm saying, he is an insufferable moron. It seems like he let the critical success of his new IP go to his head.Ah yes lets the person who turned an innocent teenage girl into a vengeous serial killer set the bar for problematic role models...
The elephant has already wrecked that whole room as far as I’m concerned. As a parent I rather let my kids look at bouncing tits and round asses all day than let them go near games where all you do is kill people.
Exactly. Such as a middle-aged protagonist. Always dislike it when someone thinks that just because you don't like something it means you want the complete opposite, when in reality people can enjoy a little of both and are able to meet you halfway.There is huge spectrum of better possibilities between 15 year old kid and school principal preparing to retirement.
It's a known fact that handsome men and beautiful women are part of the real world. They are not exclusive to Hollywood movies, television, and video games. But just as well there are also ugly or weird, if not normal looking people (the so-called everyman) and we shouldn't forget this. That said, I feel that a more realistic video game means we will continue to see attractive men and beautiful women featured in them (and in most cases playing as them) and often the traditionally less attractive characters will be relegated to the background. I think the main reason for this is obviously because attractive people catch our eye and so we remember them a little more if you go by just their appearance alone. Certainly there are women who play a video game and maybe daydream about being rescued by Leon S. Kennedy or Chris Redfield with his boulder biceps and can you really blame them? No. So why then is it that some of you talk down to your fellow gamers for wanting to see and play as attractive women in video games? What about the guy who enjoys playing an RPG as a female character and wants to make them look beautiful? There's nothing wrong with that.
Let me put it like this, if you were to create or commission a talented game developer to create your video game and you already know in your head or on paper what the characters should look like, isn't it safe to say they would likely be good looking characters? I'm not saying the virtual women would necessarily have big breasts or big hips or long glamorous hair but I'm sure there are women who enjoy playing as beautiful female characters. I mean, I don't think women are so different if you really think about it - both genders appreciate traditionally attractive looking characters, be it from movies, video games, television and books. We are not so different.
I mean, there are real curvy women too, and many who like to show skin. If he wants to make games with non sexualized women, that is up to him. But I'd hate for games with idealized and exaggerated characters to go away, I love characters and actors like He-man or Arnold since I was a little kid, and I didn't grow up with a warped sens of mind. Trying to stop the portrayal of sexy or cool characters is so sad, just make your own prude media then and let other enjoy what they enjoy.Well, it was Neil Druckmann.... So he implies that artists everywhere have a responsibility to not have their women show any skin or curves because it might warp a little girl's mind of which the games in question aren't even marketed to.
I love characters and actors like He-man
Trying to stop the portrayal of sexy or cool characters is so sad
just make your own prude media
Who is stopping you from enjoying something?and let other enjoy what they enjoy.
Tell that to Neil Druckmann and half of Twitter who have a problem seeing traditionally attractive characters.They are free to make their game the way they feel like it
When did his studio stop another studio from making characters?Tell that to Neil Druckmann and half of Twitter who have a problem seeing traditionally attractive characters.
Yeah that’s usually how something becomes boring, it’s more likely I would exaggerate the design. If someone doesn’t like the game I would say: It’s fine, don’t buy it.If I'm a creative character designer, and the choice for the design can be judged negatively by the mass media reception or the politically correct approach, I will never let this change my design of what I've created just for making something more comfortable for the actual ages.
(otherwise, I would never even start the work, in the first place)
When did his studio stop another studio from making characters?
To my understanding, his view is based on what he wants under that studio. I don't recall him saying some other game can't have "attractive characters"
You were under the impression he didn't say we shouldn't see attractive characters. I showed you a video where he thinks it is a problem in all of entertainment.Yet no where is he stopping some other studio from making what they want.
You were under the impression he didn't say we shouldn't see attractive characters. I showed you a video where he thinks it is a problem in all of entertainment.
As long as we can continue to appreciate attractive character designs in all of entertainment, and I made it a point in the OP that we will continue to see them front and center in video games, that's all I'm asking. Not sure why you find that so funny and why you feel the need to call your fellow gamers immature just because they continue to like what you don't.Yet he is free to think that.
That isn't stopping another fucking studio.
As long as we can continue to appreciate attractive character designs in all of entertainment, and I made it a point in the OP that we will continue to see them front and center in video games, that's all I'm asking. Not sure why you find that so funny and why you feel the need to call your fellow gamers immature just because they continue to like what you don't.
You said your issue with attractive characters is that it forces gaming to be a "fake ass commercial for Neutrogena" that completely disregards less attractive characters. But what I'm saying is that those less attractive characters aren't being ignored as they're still in the game. What with games being more like movies you're still going to see most games feature attractive characters and I think that's good. Just that there's always a couple users who respond with "Go watch porn if you want to see a beautiful woman", and I don't mean in response with anime style games but any western developed game where you see some cleavage or a pretty face.When did I say I didn't like it? You can appreciate what ever you want.
Someone else making something different isn't an attack on you liking something else, continue to like something else.... That would be like saying we need to see Anime looking folks "front and center in Animation, thats all I'm asking" as if Disney looking shit is made by murdering 100 Anime's in some factory or something. It tries to force this either or concept as if one being made is killing the other or something as if they stole your rights to make your own game.
You said your issue with attractive characters is that it forces gaming to be a "fake ass commercial for Neutrogena
My issue with this shit is its trying to force gaming to be this fake ass commercial for Neutrogena
So you don't prefer attractive character designs over less attractive? Because if you do like the former, that's fine. My whole argument is that there's nothing wrong with it. What is funny about that?Nope. I said my issue with folks trying to FORCE IT IS.
All different styles can exist.
Its not an either or.
I like when the characters are pleasing to look at, not in a sexual way but I just think it makes it more pleasant. I would ask anyone who complains about it what kind of character they create in games that offer the option? do they create someone they like the look of or someone they purposely find unappealing just so they don't feel bad about themselves?