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IGNs Top 100 RPGs
- Thread starter King of the Potato People
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awww come on mang
zerokoolpsx
Member
It's like they NEVER even played Persona 4, but liked 3. Improved every single way over its predecessor, but the story.
Well, but GAF's actual list is pretty solid.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455870
The only thing IGN shows is that it's a terrible idea to make a Top 100 list with just very few people. It wil necessarily lead to a situation where no one of the actual voters played certain games that they've voted in the Top 100. "This game has a great legacy, so I guess we have to include it somehwere..."
Sentenza
Member
It's horrible.
Five JRPGs and Skyrim leading ahead of Baldur's Gate 2 is almost a crime.
And that's not even considering other jewels like Bloodlines, Torment and Fallout 2 that are even lower in rank.
Also, not a single Ultima game in the top 50.
I don't expect IGN to do worse than this.
Are you just ignoring the fact it's a top 100 and that all of them are meant to be good/great/amazing?
It's not like anything out of Top 30 is meant to be looked at as anything less then great.
Wow, this is pretty...not solid imo. Normally I don't really post on top lists threads because of the usual rage but this is supposed to be solid in comparison to what we seen of IGN's so far?
Canis lupus
Member
Expect a lot of:
1. current gen games
2. WRPGs
These kinda lists are pointless, its just your own personal opinion. What gives ign's top 10 more credibility than yours?
Ultima VII's placement is definitely the worst offender by far.
Yeah. How can they put crap like Odin Sphere above NWN2?
Not putting you to sleep with tens of dozens of uninspired "sidequests"?
The world was so amazing and beautiful that I used quests as an excuse to look around some more as well as get stronger. The convenience is really nice too.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
This list is getting dangerously close to not including the franchise with one of if not the best battle systems ever. Star Ocean. Second Story still has a chance. Though Till the End of Time could have easily landed in the 90's.
King of the Potato People
Member
I always figured Tales of Symphonia was the best Tales game by far.
Sviatoslav
Member
Why would you think that? I find that Vesperia for example is better than Symphonia in every category.
Still way better than any of the games ranked 41-52.
Manmademan
Member
This was my argument a few pages back. Without at LEAST aa dozen or so extremely hardcore rpg fans it's impossible to even make a top 50. Average gamers you'd need twice that minimum.
Canis lupus
Member
Agree with this. Why not let users vote?
OreoKraickerz
Neo Member
Bizarre, but hey... any western recognition the series gets is fine by me.
toddhunter
Member
Because then you get 5 Call of Duty games in the top 10.
The quality of a RPG game should be a very personal thing. You can't often define why you might connect with a cast of characters or a world or not. If you do, it can be magic, if you don't, well the game might not make the list at all.
This top 100 is pretty terrible, unless the people making the list has knowledge of all the games and played them all.Yeah you'll still have the backlash in this thread because ranking is subjective but that happens with every list ranking thing.They've already admitted to just placing a game randomly.For me.. i could never make a ranking anything higher than 10, my mind starts grouping everything "good" after that together and i'll just be placing shit randomly.
Best thing about this list is the ability for RPG fans to look up some RPGs they never played and give them a shot, regardless of IGN's ranking placement.
Best thing about this list is the ability for RPG fans to look up some RPGs they never played and give them a shot, regardless of IGN's ranking placement.
Because everyone played Mass Effect 2 but no one played Tactics Ogre.
IGN only employs the most dudebro 17 year olds. That way IGN can save on wages.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I feel compelled to point something out again. Saying "hey GAF, look at the averaged opinions of GAF, doesn't this agree with what you, GAF, thinks about this?" is tautological. Of course GAF would more closely agree with a list that was made by GAF members voting in it.
I'm also not convinced that the average GAFer has played even close to the complete list of games featured on either Top 100. Games with cult followings will be overrepresented, as will highly popular games, and recent games. GAF's own personal quirks will of course result in bizarro world picks like Xenoblade being #3 OF ALL TIME. On a personal level, the GAF list outrages me just as much as the IGN list has (more actually, but that's probably just because the IGN list isn't completed yet). How could a buggy, unpolished, poorly designed piece of shit like Alpha Protocol be better than Mass Effect 2, or Pokemon Silver, or Fallout 2? Why is KOTOR higher than Deus Ex? Why is Planescape: Torment only one place higher than Vampire Bloodlines, despite Bloodlines being barely playable in its released state? Shit, if Vampire gets a top 15 spot, why isn't KOTOR II featured?
AHA-Lambda
Member
Still betting it's Fallout 3 
Woffls
Member
Mass Effect 2 is an RPG now? Even Mass Effect 1 (an actual RPG) placing higher wouldn't redeem this, though I would be pleasantly surprised. I can't wait to see the reaction to Skyrim placing in the top 20. If it's top 10 I'm getting popcorn.
Quick poll, anyone think Majora's Mask counts?
Quick poll, anyone think Majora's Mask counts?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Mass Effect 2 has always been, and will always be an RPG.
toddhunter
Member
I've had some digs at IGN, but really I'm sure people would be just as critical of my own list. So to be fair, I decided to put together my own top 50. It isn't an easy process at all (especially defining what a 'RPG' is). If nothing else, it shows my age...
If anybody is interested in the full list, hit up
http://toddhunterreport.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/top-50-rpgs-of-all-time/
For the full 50 and my reasons why.
If anybody is interested in the full list, hit up
http://toddhunterreport.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/top-50-rpgs-of-all-time/
For the full 50 and my reasons why.
EVE Online is not really appropriate for this list.
My love for Phantasy Star knows no bounds.
I have never played Tactics Ogre but with all the love it usually gets I would have expected it to place higher.
Mass Effect 2 at 57? I don't know....it was a pretty good game but I am not sure it deserves this place on an RPG list. And with a classic like Phantasy Star at 96 it all becomes a bit silly......
Well, EVE Online do have skill points and exp points maybe? It's more RPG then COD at least.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Don't tell me you're one of those, too.
skyrim and P4 top 5? Pretty solid? Holy fuck.
As the person who runs the GAF list, I'd like to point out that it is supposed to be an essential rpg list. It's called NeoGAF's Essential RPGs, not NeoGAF's Top 100 RPGs of all time in Hierarchical Order. I think a lot of people just vote for their favourites, but I encourage people to vote for games that they think others should play if they enjoy the genre. I also encourage people to vote for games they feel need more recognition.
The rank isn't really important. It just serves as a guideline to show which games were most recommended. If you are not squabbling about game X being at rank Y, than I think the NeoGaf list is pretty solid. If you are taking issue over the inclusion of 5-10 games on a list of 100 fantastic games, than you might as well just make your own top 100, because that is what you are clearly looking for.
Regarding new games. New games have an advantage because they are fresh on people's minds, but like the IMDB Top 250, they tend to fall down the list over time. Also, as a list that is partially there to turn people on to great games they haven't played yet, I'd argue that it is more important to include newer titles than influential games from 25-30 years ago. Ultima IV may have been revolutionary for its time, but the game looks like this now:
How many people are going to go back and play a C64/Apple 2 era rpg that is close to 30 years old?
You know what? That is a fucking travesty right there.
I really do wonder if games like this is included because they feel they have to for historical reasons.
But let me tell you right now that The Bard's Tale is the epitome of the classical WRPG.
Insanely hard and challenging. A true beast.
Belongs in the Top 20.
When I think classical WRPG I think The Bard's Tale before I think Baldur's Gate 2.
What Phantasy Star is to JRPGs The Bard's Tale is to WRPGs.
The First Grandia (#18), was released on the Saturn (Japan Only) and the PS1 (worldwide). Only Grandia 2 was on the Dreamcast. You don't have Grandia 2 on your list, so either you meant to list that game, or you have the wrong system listed for Grandia 1.
If you are referring to the NeoGAF list, voting started for the 2012 edition when Skyrim was like a month old, and most users hadn't discovered the issues with the PS3 version or even reached the later parts of the game. I fully expect that game to take a big tumble when I do a 2013 edition (if permitted). Same thing happened with Mass Effect 2 in the original list. Voting took place like 3 weeks after ME2 released, and the game was the 13th most voted title. In the 2012 edition of the list it was at #41.
toddhunter
Member
Quite right should be psx
King of the Potato People
Member
I found the levels a lot duller in Vesperia, I prefer the more puzzle-based levels of Symphonia, which also had significantly bigger towns.
Also, I still don't get why Mass Effect 2 wouldn’t be considered an RPG.
- Your character is given excessive freedom in conversations.
- There are towns or in this case cities.
- There are stats.
- Weapons and armor can be upgraded on a constant basis.
- There is magic, in this case biotics.
- Numerous jobs to choose from or in this case classes.
Because it's not a RPG if mobs don't drop loot or give XP everytime they die of course. Getting a static XP number at the end of each mission doesn't count.
At least, that seems to be the reasons.
Nobody seems to bring that up as a reason why Tactics Ogre is not an rpg. At least on the PSP version, you get all your exp after clearing a map. Characters also get a set amount of exp, based on their class.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
People have a mental model for what they think an "RPG" is and ME2 doesn't meet it. However, it clearly does meet the technical definition for an RPG.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Really, the original Final Fantasy? A game with no plot whatsoever?
That would be my guess because otherwise, they would reference it as "The Bard's Tale Trilogy", since it was such acohesive and complete story when played through all three games.
I think the Amiga version was all three games on the same disk.
toddhunter
Member
That was actually a decent game. By no means meant to be anywhere near this list, but it was good for what it was.
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