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[Vulcano's assistant]

IGN posted 21-30:

30) Jade Empire
29) Dragon Quest I
28) Fallout 2
27) Dragon Quest VIII
26) Ultima IV
25) Deus Ex
24) Baldur's Gate
23) Phantasy Star Online
22) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
21) Super Mario RPG

EDIT: Going to be a lot of Bioware in that top 20. Baldur's Gate 2. KOTOR. At least one more Mass Effect. Probably Dragon Age Origins. Possibly Neverwinter Nights.

Neverwinter Nights is in 31

 

[kswiston]

Neverwinter Nights is in 31

Must have missed that. Still, I would guess that we are getting 4 Bioware titles in that top 20. And that is assuming both ME1 and ME3 don't make it.

 

[Dark Schala]

Was 40-31 posted?

40. Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
39. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
38. Phantasy Star II
37. Guild Wars
36. Shining Force II
35. Pokemon Black & White
34. Fallout
33. Ultima Online
32. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
31. Neverwinter Nights

Edit: Yeah, they post these in batches of 20.

 

[kswiston]

I am surprised they included Dragon Quest 1. Especially if DQ3 and 4 don't make the list.

Was 40-31 posted?

40. Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
39. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
38. Phantasy Star II
37. Guild Wars
36. Shining Force II
35. Pokemon Black & White
34. Fallout
33. Ultima Online
32. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
31. Neverwinter Nights

Edit: Yeah, they post these in batches of 20.

I thought we had 31-40 already for some reason :/

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

You know what, I'm starting to agree with the list. Not my choices, but it isn't as horrible, well not yet until we get to the top 10.

 

[antitrop]

Phantasy Star Online? C'mon. I loved that game as a kid, but give me a break.

It was only good because it was the only type of game like that available for consoles, it's pretty mediocre taken objectively.

 

[kswiston]

Wait for the meltdowns tomorrow when Fallout 3 gets the highest rank of the series. Because the chances of that happening are 100%

EDIT: Oblivion and Skyrim both topped Morrowind as well.

 

[Dark Schala]

Baldur's Gate II SoA/ToB should be in the Top 15 at least.

 

[Acquiescence]

I really need to play Jade Empire some time. How is it for backwards compatibility on a 360?

 

[The Technomancer]

You know what, I'm starting to agree with the list. Not my choices, but it isn't as horrible, well not yet until we get to the top 10.

Its not necessarily that a lot of these games don't belong so low for me, so much as I'm unable to think of what they could have in their place.

 

[injurai]

Jade Empire over the The Witcher 2... this list is so whack.

 

[MasterShotgun]

Oblivion higher than Morrowind? The fuck is this?

Really, Oblivion is way too high period.

 

[antitrop]

Oblivion higher than Morrowind? The fuck is this?

Really, Oblivion is way too high period.

Good luck finding anyone outside of IGN who would disagree with you.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I really need to play Jade Empire some time. How is it for backwards compatibility on a 360?

Its plays pretty good iirc.

 

[SerRodrik]

Oblivion greater than Morrowind? I knew it was coming, and I'm still annoyed by it.

 

[WrenchNinja]

This has to be one of the worst lists theyve made in years.

 

[DrForester]

40. Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
39. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
38. Phantasy Star II
37. Guild Wars
36. Shining Force II
35. Pokemon Black & White
34. Fallout
33. Ultima Online
32. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
31. Neverwinter Nights
30) Jade Empire
29) Dragon Quest I
28) Fallout 2
27) Dragon Quest VIII
26) Ultima IV
25) Deus Ex
24) Baldur's Gate
23) Phantasy Star Online
22) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
21) Super Mario RPG

 

[The Technomancer]

Okay, this list just shit itself in the 20s. Like half of those need to trade places with games back up in the 80s and 90s

 

[Zeliard]

All will be forgiven if they put Torment in its rightful place as #1.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

Neverwinter Nights is in 31

I guess it might be because I didn't get into the who building scenario modules or the multiplayer, but the actual single player campaign for this game was terrible.

 

[Coxy]

Was 40-31 posted?

40. Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
39. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
38. Phantasy Star II
37. Guild Wars
36. Shining Force II
35. Pokemon Black & White
34. Fallout
33. Ultima Online
32. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
31. Neverwinter Nights

Edit: Yeah, they post these in batches of 20.

wow, if shining force 2 is #36 then shining force 3 must be in the top 10!
It wont be listed at all because no-one on IGN owned a saturn

 

[Htown]

Super Mario RPG needs to switch places with Thousand-Year Door

 

[Manmademan]

oh boy!

30) Jade Empire
29) Dragon Quest I
28) Fallout 2
27) Dragon Quest VIII
26) Ultima IV
25) Deus Ex
24) Baldur's Gate
23) Phantasy Star Online
22) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
21) Super Mario RPG

list continues to confuse me...but these three stick out.

Why is Dragon Quest I where it is? The game gets points for being innovative and basically popularizing the console RPG (in japan at least...it wasn't as influential in the west). I get this. But it's no longer really what I'd call "playable."

Dragon Quest VIII wasn't innovative, but polished the formula as well as it's likely to get. the game did everything right, and if not for FFXII, Persona 3/4 or Nocturne might have been the definitive RPG on the PS2.

so two ends of that spectrum there. That being said...why the hell is jade empire ranked along with it? It's not innovative by any stretch- it was KOTOR with kung fu and mildly offensive asian stereotypes shoehorned in. It wasn't polished either- the combat was so broken you could literally button mash one skill (paralyzing palm) into anything else and win the game. it doesn't deserve to be ranked anywhere near where it is, much less RIGHT NEXT to either dragon quest.

 

[antitrop]

I do have to give them props for remembering Ogre Battle. Easily one of the best games on the SNES, it never received the attention it deserved back in the day.

 

[The Technomancer]

Now we're reaching the point where I'm seeing the high slots and saying "Really? You bumped TWEWY for that?"

 

[Jarmel]

Yea

KOTOR
Mass Effect 1
Dragon Age Origins
Fallout 3
Skyrim
FFVI
FFVII
Vesperia
Pokemon Red/Blue
Pokemon Gold/Silver
WOW
Guild Wars 2
Dark Souls
Mass Effect 3
Baldur's Gate 2
Planetscape Torment
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Final Fantasy Tactics

These are all pretty much locks.

Bioware owns your souls.

 

[Robot Pants]

Dark Souls for #1

 

[Lothar]

Lunar ahead of Xenogears and FFX. Wow. What a joke.

Edit: Tales of Destiny is ahead of FFX! LOL.

 

[DrForester]

Yea

KOTOR
Mass Effect 1
Dragon Age Origins
Fallout 3
Skyrim
FFVI
FFVII
Vesperia
Pokemon Red/Blue
Pokemon Gold/Silver
WOW
Guild Wars 2
Dark Souls
Mass Effect 3
Baldur's Gate 2
Planetscape Torment

These are all pretty much locks.

Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy Tactics.

I'd be surprised if Pokemon G/S and R/B make it though. 3 Pokemon games in the bottom half?

 

[Manmademan]

I do have to give them props for remembering Ogre Battle. Easily one of the best games on the SNES, it never received the attention it deserved back in the day.

hugely limited print run though.

I only ever saw it for rental (not purchase) and with no instructions, to boot. Let me tell you how hopelessly lost I was at WTF was going on.

Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy Tactics.

I'd be surprised if Pokemon G/S and R/B make it though. 3 Pokemon games in the bottom half?

Calling it now, they'll both lose out to yellow. pikachu, mang.

edit: eh, i don't think mana will make it tbh. It was a good entry but has absolutely no legacy. the Mana series has been trash for generations now.

 

[Jarmel]

Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy Tactics.

I'd be surprised if Pokemon G/S and R/B make it though. 3 Pokemon games in the bottom half?

Yea I completely forgot those, you're right.

If Black/White made it then R/B and G/S both should. R/B is a lock without a doubt, the question is whether they'll consider G/S different enough.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Lunar ahead of Xenogears and FFX. Wow. What a joke.

If we mean the Sega CD Lunar, I agree. Neither game would exist without Lunar setting the bar.
Blech, Complete? No son, God no.

And Nocturne is the best PS2 RPG, IMO.

 

[Manmademan]

If we mean the Sega CD Lunar, I agree. Neither game would exist without Lunar setting the bar.

WOW...no. Lunar was a nice game, but it's impact was next to zero. i mean..sega CD? five people owned that.

And Nocturne is the best PS2 RPG, IMO.

This at least is a solid position. weak on the storyline, but the world, combat, and customization were omgwtfamazing

 

[cj_iwakura]

WOW...no. Lunar was a nice game, but it's impact was next to zero. i mean..sega CD? five people owned that.

You'd be wrong. Ask vireland sometime. Lunar: Sega CD was a mammoth success.

Lunar: The Silver Star was well received in Japan, selling an estimated 100,000 copies, its entire production run, in its first year after release, nearly as much as the Mega CD itself.[35] It is considered the Mega-CD's first hit game, which Sega credits solely for pushing the system's sales in that region.[2] The game remains the best-selling Sega CD title of all time in Japan, and second highest selling worldwide behind Sonic the Hedgehog CD. Readers of Japanese magazine Megadrive Beep voted it the number one Mega Drive role-playing game for seventeen straight months before being trumped by Shining Force II.[35]

It released at a time when animated FMVs and voice in an RPG was unheard of.

 

[illadelph]

Super Mario RPG! Love that game

Pokemon Blue better be top 3

 

[Dark Schala]

I certainly don't mind Partners in Time, but considering we're in the Top 20 now, Bowser's Inside Story and Superstar Saga have yet to chart.

Hmmmm...

 

[King of the Potato People]

Vesperia

How is Vesperia a lock? It's pretty niche. Also there's a good chance FF IV maybe there for introducing the Active Time Battle system, FF XII is a wild-card though.

 

[Manmademan]

You'd be wrong. Ask vireland sometime. Lunar: Sega CD was a mammoth success.



It released at a time when animated FMVs and voice in an RPG was unheard of.

i'd disagree. FFVII was a "mammoth" success. RPGs were still very much niche throughout the early 90s before and after Lunar came out. Lunar is the definition of cult hit on a niche system.

and animated FMV and voice were on almost EVERY sega CD game. This also goes for about half the games on the 3DO. one might say both used them to excess with games like 7th guest or Sherlock holmes and showed sega and sony what NOT to do with a CD based system.

it didn't make the sega CD a success, and RPGs didn't really attempt to emulate the formula until after FFVII (and it's ad campaign) took off. and even then it was less "anime" cutscenes and more elaborate CGI.

 

[chickdigger802]

oh super mario rpg is pretty damn high. Thought game journalists all hated that.

probably my favorite mario game ever.

 

[cj_iwakura]

i'd disagree. FFVII was a "mammoth" success. RPGs were still very much niche throughout the early 90s before and after Lunar came out. Lunar is the definition of cult hit on a niche system.

and animated FMV and voice were on almost EVERY sega CD game. This also goes for about half the games on the 3DO. one might say both used them to excess with games like 7th guest or Sherlock holmes and showed sega and sony what NOT to do with a CD based system.

it didn't make the sega CD a success, and RPGs didn't really attempt to emulate the formula until after FFVII (and it's ad campaign) took off. and even then it was less "anime" cutscenes and more elaborate CGI.

It was still an innovator, even if it didn't kick down the doors for RPGs like FF7 did. It's probably my favorite traditional RPG ever. (Well, technically Eternal Blue is, but wouldn't exist without TSS.)


That said, Complete is garbage compared to the original.

 

[cartman414]

oh boy!



list continues to confuse me...but these three stick out.

Why is Dragon Quest I where it is? The game gets points for being innovative and basically popularizing the console RPG (in japan at least...it wasn't as influential in the west). I get this. But it's no longer really what I'd call "playable."

It's enjoyable enough in remake form at the very least.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

25) Deus Ex
22) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6h2lwUAX4#t=11s

 

[Jarmel]

How is Vesperia a lock? It's pretty niche. Also there's a good chance FF IV maybe there for introducing the Active Time Battle system, FF XII is a wild-card though.

They have three Tales on the list already. Vesperia is getting on.

 

[cartman414]

Yea

KOTOR
Mass Effect 1
Dragon Age Origins
Fallout 3
Skyrim
FFVI
FFVII
Vesperia
Pokemon Red/Blue
Pokemon Gold/Silver
WOW
Guild Wars 2
Dark Souls
Mass Effect 3
Baldur's Gate 2
Planetscape Torment
Chrono Trigger
Secret of Mana
Final Fantasy Tactics
Valkyrie Profile

These are all pretty much locks.

Bioware owns your souls.

Fixed.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Can I actually hope for Nocturne in the top 10? Do they have taste that good?

 

[Sandfox]

How is Vesperia a lock? It's pretty niche. Also there's a good chance FF IV maybe there for introducing the Active Time Battle system, FF XII is a wild-card though.

There is no way that IV isn't on this list list but I can see XII missing it. I kinda want Radiant Historia to be on the list but I doubt it would be this high.

 

[SerRodrik]

Can I actually hope for Nocturne in the top 10? Do they have taste that good?

My money's still on "no."

 

[Manmademan]

It was still an innovator, even if it didn't kick down the doors for RPGs like FF7 did. It's probably my favorite traditional RPG ever. (Well, technically Eternal Blue is, but wouldn't exist without TSS.)


That said, Complete is garbage compared to the original.

sure, why not. I'll give you that.

My money's still on "no."

i'm willing to bet it still makes an appearance

 

[Augemitbutter]

at least they remembered shining force II.

i'd vote devil summoner 2 higher than nocture. i don't care if nocturne is on the list at all, scratch it.

lunar is good, it deserves a high rank.

 

[Colocho]

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story better be in there somewhere.