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IGN: Dragon's Dogma 2 Performance Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S vs PC
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
It's a CPU issue, nothing to do with the GPU. Many reviewers have reported fiddling with graphical settings and seeing no change in performance.
Schmendrick
Member
Jesus what did Capcom do here....
That game went from a "wait for patches" to outright "skip". To release a game in that state is really a slap to the face of their customers.
That game went from a "wait for patches" to outright "skip". To release a game in that state is really a slap to the face of their customers.
GHG
Member
Drops to 32fps on an 5800x3D and RTX 4090. Gotta love it!
Don't worry.
A man once told me VRR will fix it.
King Dazzar
Member
The problem is, its such a mess. I very much doubt a PS6 would run this well. And by the time you do have hardware to overcome the shit optimization. It'll look so old, would you even want to touch it. For those who can look beyond the shit performance, then great. But for me, I dont see myself ever touching this. The number of reviews ignoring these problems too. You have to be so careful these days.
crackajack
Member
Why not postpone this when it seemingly is another Cyberpunk situation only this time only on current target gen.
The performance seems just shite for how average it looks. They must have ramped up invisible stuff so much, that it tanks everything. Maybe needing the less NPCs approach like Cyberpunk? I know Hitman's or AC's NPCs were copy pasta braindead zombies, but did the engineer get lost who was able to make a bunch of people run around (in background tasks since I don't even see NPCs in the screens) without killing a game?
The performance seems just shite for how average it looks. They must have ramped up invisible stuff so much, that it tanks everything. Maybe needing the less NPCs approach like Cyberpunk? I know Hitman's or AC's NPCs were copy pasta braindead zombies, but did the engineer get lost who was able to make a bunch of people run around (in background tasks since I don't even see NPCs in the screens) without killing a game?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
There is quite a big difference this time (biggest this gen?) and is very noticeable notably the vegetation in motion is quite blurrier on Xbox. I would say it's caused by difference of reconstruction methods. Looks way more robust on PS5.
Haha, thats horrific. Its straight up broken on series X
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Lol no they won’t. A 4090 with a 5800X3D still drops to the 30s. The next-gen consoles won’t be twice that performance. They need to fix this trash or else you’ll need a PS8 to power through it.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
But PC Master Race fanboys told me that the PC will push trough the shitty coding no matter what.Drops to 32fps on an 5800x3D and RTX 4090. Gotta love it!
Guess someone was wrong.
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Doctor Hades
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The ray-tracing is used to add global illumination to this game, which, in my opinion, significantly improves the depth of the image and gets rid of that last-gen 'glowy' light leakage look indoors and on character faces. I guess this is why the developers have used it on consoles with no option to turn it off because without it the game would look more like the 2011 original (at least it does in the YouTube comparison of RT on and off for the PC version).
I get that not everyone will agree with that and many would prefer the choice of a worst looking game in terms of lighting versus better performance. However, I suspect that even with ray-tracing disabled that the game would still not achieve a locked 60 fps on consoles due to the CPU bandwidth limitations. Perhaps a 30 fps cap would be better overall rather than leaving it uncapped?
On the PS5, VRR will not work properly as in the 60 Hz mode it only supports 48-60 Hz and this game rarely goes above 48 fps unless you stare at the sky or ground. Also, LFC (low framerate compensation) does not work in the 60 Hz mode, only 120 Hz I believe so unless the developers support 120 Hz on the PS5 then anyone playing it on that platform will be stuck with a game that constantly stutters. On the Xbox Series X, you can force 120 Hz globally and LFC is supported natively at a system level unlike the PS5 so the console can double the framerate to use LFC in conjunction with VRR for smoother performance albeit at very low framerates. This is the reason I bought Elden Ring on Xbox Series X rather than PS5, although that game generally ran better than this one (above 40 fps most of the time).
Best format to play this game on is obviously the PC where you can brute force your way through any performance issues with the right hardware and have more flexibility over resolutions, framerate targets and graphical settings.
I get that not everyone will agree with that and many would prefer the choice of a worst looking game in terms of lighting versus better performance. However, I suspect that even with ray-tracing disabled that the game would still not achieve a locked 60 fps on consoles due to the CPU bandwidth limitations. Perhaps a 30 fps cap would be better overall rather than leaving it uncapped?
On the PS5, VRR will not work properly as in the 60 Hz mode it only supports 48-60 Hz and this game rarely goes above 48 fps unless you stare at the sky or ground. Also, LFC (low framerate compensation) does not work in the 60 Hz mode, only 120 Hz I believe so unless the developers support 120 Hz on the PS5 then anyone playing it on that platform will be stuck with a game that constantly stutters. On the Xbox Series X, you can force 120 Hz globally and LFC is supported natively at a system level unlike the PS5 so the console can double the framerate to use LFC in conjunction with VRR for smoother performance albeit at very low framerates. This is the reason I bought Elden Ring on Xbox Series X rather than PS5, although that game generally ran better than this one (above 40 fps most of the time).
Best format to play this game on is obviously the PC where you can brute force your way through any performance issues with the right hardware and have more flexibility over resolutions, framerate targets and graphical settings.
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Horseganador
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It looks much better on PS5 than on SX, on Series S it is a direct disaster.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Man, just get it on the XSX, at least it supports LFC, plus, why pay more for the PS5 version from the moment you can get it cheaper ? It's not like it's in a different ballpark when it comes to general performance...
There is quite a big difference this time (biggest this gen?) and is very noticeable notably the vegetation in motion is quite blurrier on Xbox. I would say it's caused by difference of reconstruction methods. Looks way more robust on PS5.
Physio, from all the technical problems this game has, the vegetation res. is the last of 'em, I mean, here's a game which - for some reason - runs at 4K with RT always on on consoles with a framerate that hovers between 24- 39 FPS.
PC performance is also not optimal from what I've seen so...
This reeks of bad optimization through and through and something tells me that they HAD to push it out of the proverbial door this quarter, it's the typical case of "buy it now, we'll fix it later" unfortunately.This went from a "maybe" to a "get it for 18 Eurodollars when the Xbox next/PS6 releases".
Cheers
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Physiognomonics
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I agree that if you have a 120hz screen with VRR it's probably better to play the XSX version. But beware that you'll still feel the big frame-time spikes in cities and that the game is shockingly more blurry on Xbox. There is a similar perceptible resolution gap between XSS, XSX and PS5.
Doctor Hades
Member
I suspect the Xbox Series X issue will quickly be fixed by Capcom post-release. They is no reason for it to look more blurry than the PS5 version so it is probably a bug.
solidus12
Member
Holy shit, every day there’s always a tweet of misinformation and twisted information from these paid shillsso, if capcom drops the resolution to 1080 and turn off RT we may have room to hit 60fps ?
geez, 23fps on XSX...
Negotiator101
Member
Overall the Xbox version has a better framerate than the PS5 currently.Holy shit, every day there’s always a tweet of misinformation and twisted information from these paid shills
Physiognomonics
Member
Remember that PS5 has dedicated hardware and likely APIs for reconstruction. Capcom may not feel the need to spend time optimizing the Xbox versions.
MisterXDTV
Member
Why should they bother to optimize the version with the lowest sales???
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RE4Remake (with the same REngine) saw the opposite situation. XSX was the beneficiary on that occasion compared to PS5.
Improvements in patches? Maybe, Capcom usually listens and improves things. Another thing is that the solution is going to please or be a benefit.
In the case of RE4Remake, a first patch slightly improved the IQ in the PS5 version and worsened that of XSX. Then another patch returned to IQ on release day (and demo) after complaints from XSX users.
In DD2 I don't know what will happen, the game has many more aspects to improve apart from IQ.
Lokaum D+
Member
4% on average, that's not even 2 frames of advantage overall, don't forget to mention that Xbox has inferior image quality.
GHG
Member
Holy shit, every day there’s always a tweet of misinformation and twisted information from these paid shills
I can't tell you how much I hate the fact that these guys are now starting to migrate towards and promote PC.
They will be a stain on whatever they get involved with.
Gen.Grievous
Member
If the engine is bad and not optimised that will affect how it stresses the CPU. The game does nothing special so why does it stress the CPU so much.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
As I said, my bet is on poorly coded NPCs, which has nothing to do with the engine itself.
It's just a bet ofc, unless we work at Capcom we'll never know for sure.
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DaGwaphics
Member
This is one of those games where I wonder how they managed to stress the systems this hard, because nothing in the footage looks "current-gen" enough to warrant it. 
Even on the 4090 it doesn't look all that great to me.
Even on the 4090 it doesn't look all that great to me.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
In the absence of a capped 30 FPS mode, this is the main reason I'm gonna play this on SX despite it (currently) having worse IQ. Like RE4make, they're probably gonna patch it in a week or two.
SJRB
Gold Member
Watching Cohh play this on Twitch right now, it really does have a washed out, muted color palette. Everything has this brown haze. It's not a very appealing looking game.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
That wouldn't have mattered, the engine isn't simulating everything in the world all at once.
Fbh
Member
This is one of those games where I wonder how they managed to stress the systems this hard, because nothing in the footage looks "current-gen" enough to warrant it.
Even on the 4090 it doesn't look all that great to me.
Yup, people kept talking about the next gen gameplay and physics in this and I'm not seeing anything mindblowing that would jutify the entire game running like shit (on consoles) instead of specific stress points.
Also the town tanking the framerate even on PC seems weird to me. It doesn't look pariticularly amazing, there doesn't seem to be some crazy level of interactivity and NPC pop in is hilariously bad, like Ps3 levels of bad. I get the framerate taking a hit if a monster invades and you have 20 NPC's fighting it on top of spells and shit, but just walking around?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I might have said this before but we need to merge Japanese and Western studios. Send western engineers to japan and japanese designers and character artists to the west. Send western character artists to the moon. then nuke the moon.Japanese devs battling for who is the more inept with graphic and performances, you love to see it
GymWolf
Member
Nah, western art designer are good aswell, they are just infected by the mind virus.
And you can probably say the same for productivity, when sony and the other bigs are gonna fire all the diversity hiring we are gonna return to devs pushing these machines to 110%.
This gen is lost, but there is hope for the next one.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
They will get my money the second the game is in an acceptable state.
GymWolf
Member
I know people really like that fighting cowboy dude reviews, but him talking about how good looking the game is had me in stitches.
A couple of dudes that i kinda respected loss a good chunk of credibility with this game.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Looks like I chose the right version.
FoxMcChief
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FoxMcChief
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I just want to say, I love your avatar pic. It always plays tricks on my eyes and looks like a 3D image. Something about the red popping off the black background.
nosoynadie22
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Steam Deck gets exclusive turn based mode.
Comandr
Member
To be expected. Not only is SD using an older Zen 2 AMD CPU which DD2 doesn't seem to like, it's massively underpowered compared to other platforms. The fact that the game is playable at all on steam deck is a miracle. I expect mods to help a lot, in time.
Mister Wolf
Member
But PC Master Race fanboys told me that the PC will push trough the shitty coding no matter what.
Guess someone was wrong.
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ShadyAcshuns
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Mr Moose
Member
Not 6 fps average higher. Colt is a lying twat as usual.
It loads faster on Series X, they aren't using dedicated hardware very well.
Why does it look like it's on RGB limited instead of full
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Sleepwalker
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Dragon's Dogma 2: Rofif edition
proandrad
Member
Impressive how flat the frame time graph is.
March Climber
Member
If you're a PC gamer then don't worry, someone out there will do an ENB mod, rip out all of the game's color grading, turn up the saturation, make the skies extremely blue, and crank up the sharpness.
That's what gamers seem to enjoy looking at
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Well... given that software dev's have been piggy backing on the work of hardware engineers for decades now, I would say its time for them to stop copy/pasting code and start to write optimized code for once XD
Mario 64 could have run at 60fps instead of 20fps on the actual N64 witch better coding. This game could do to.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
He is climbing on a walking poop. This is what I call innovation.
Windom Earle
Member
IGN does not understand what a CPU limit is, shocking. "Oh no it does not achieve locked 60 on 4090".