Topher
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I don't get what you are saying. Those are two different models of fans from two different PS5s. So......what?
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Imo MS locking at sustained speeds is a mistake to be corrected
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I don't get what you are saying. Those are two different models of fans from two different PS5s. So......what?
the quality of the fans are... worse. PS5 is a time bomb with those speeds.
Topher
Gold Member
How are you evaluating the quality of the fans?
At first sigh, it´s like cheap ventilation system of ps4 pro
2,23GHZ GPU means very very high speeds, you cant handle it without top tier refrigeration.
AMD new GPU cards allow overclocking, but with maximum refrigeration:
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John Wick
Member
I don't think their API and tools are finished. This move to GDK and what with final devkits going out in June has caught MS out. The code won't be leveraging the features
Pack it up guys. EXPERT ALERT! We got an AMD engineer in the house!Everybody knows than overclocking your GPU causes errors and makes it unstable.
AMD allows overclocking with HEAVY refrigeration and high prize:
Now, try 2,23GHZ with a 500$ machine, try CONSTANT boost GPU speed, and see what happens.
John Wick
Member
He's personally tested them.
What he means is that Sony didn't bother testing them and just randomly chose the fans.
Let's be honest last generation they cut corners on cooling. That fan looks pathetic just backs up my thoughts to wait on the slim and cheap exclusive back catalog.
Topher
Gold Member
At first sigh, it´s like cheap ventilation system of ps4 pro
2,23GHZ GPU means very very high speeds, you cant handle it without top tier refrigeration.
AMD new GPU cards allow overclocking, but with maximum refrigeration:
lol....I'm done. You are making up a lot of stuff here ("cheap ventilation system") and using anecdotal references (one guy with a defective unit) to come to some silly conclusions.
And you've taken this way off topic to boot.
It´s not offtopic, we must not forget laws of thermodinamics. More GHZ means more heat and unstable GPUs.
I remember when digital foundry said than ps4 was cooler and more silent than xbox one:
Hardware Test: PlayStation 4
Digital Foundry's in-depth take on Sony's next-gen console.
www.eurogamer.net
Now the history repeats. In 2028 digital foundry will say: does playstation 6 solve the problems of GPU inestability, noise and heat of ps5? But for now they must sell ps5 as much as they can.
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marquimvfs
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Well, overclock on console have been done before, that's the most possible "secret" weapon Microsoft could have in it's hands.
The secret weapon of Microsoft is keep working in his machine with better tools and making easier the life of developers.
less CUs with overclocking equals in performance to more CUs without overclocking when it´s porting a ps4 game, and there´s not enough optimization. It´s easier to distribute a cake between two than distributing between ten.
But with right optimization, Xbox Series X will overpower ps5.
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marquimvfs
Member
That's how I see things too. With development maturity, things will work better than they are for Microsoft. What I was pointing was that overclock on consoles are not as absurd as O onQ123 was selling, and if Microsoft sees this as they only option from now on, it is perfectly doable, to some extent. I don't see it as motive of mockery as "the powa of the cloud", for example.
Edit: sorry C cosmicom , I quoted the wrong user.
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upgrading speed of GPU mid generation is not acceptable.
marquimvfs
Member
Yes, it is. Just not at high levels. Just like CPU overclock that have been done before.
How was I making it out to be absurd? maybe you should read more comments in the thread because I talked about PSP & Xbox One getting clock rate updates.
upgrading cpu 1,6 ghz to 1,7 it´s acceptable. Upgrading speed of GPU from 1,823MHZ to ps5 speed is crazy. Anyway, it would break the games, designed to work with normal GPU speed.
GTX3090 has GPU speed of 1,400MHZ, in boost mode 1,700MHZ. Upgrading GTX3090 to ps5 overclocked speed would destroy it.
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marquimvfs
Member
Mande it's because you used the words " secret weapon". Everytime I saw it here it's some kind of mockery. My mistake...
John Wick
Member
What's a game developer got to do with a console engineer? Just because he makes games doesn't make his opinion any more valid on console engineering or cooling. Sony probably sold about 1.5 million at launch. Upto 50000 could be be faulty. 3% is the industry standard.
He might have a faulty console?
It´s not a problem of ps5 units being faulty.
It´s the problem of applying maximum pressure to PS5 GPU because Sony wants winning digital foundry battle at any costs.
2,23GHZ means maximum pressure to any ps5, that´s why the number of errors is abnormal, and time will make it worse.
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John Wick
Member
Have you personally handled the fan? So how do you know it's pathetic?
That's why goods have 2 year warranties.
Handy Fake
Member
Have a read up on RDNA2 and come back when you're done.
Cherrypepsi
Member
good that we have experts like you here warning us about this time bomb.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
A mistake in terms of it actually mattering? No. Power doesn't matter to most of the market. Slight tweaks here and there are irrelevant.
Price and games are what matter.
Price and games are what matter.
in denial?? ok
As the chinese saying says:
----"wait on the side of the river, and you will see faulty overpressured ps5 passing by"--
John Wick
Member
Where did they say that? I can't remember them ever saying PS4 was quieter than XoneIt´s not offtopic, we must not forget laws of thermodinamics. More GHZ means more heat and unstable GPUs.
I remember when digital foundry said than ps4 was cooler and more silent than xbox one:
Not around these parts we get the 90 day or 1 year warranty. That's fine extended warranty is part of a launch console these days imo in the usa. I was hoping to see a beefy fan is all. They spent the extra money on liquid metal was hoping they finish it off with a beefy fan.
According to digital foundry:
PS4
| Idle | Blu-ray | Gaming | Game + UI | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Max Temp | 40 Degrees Celsius | 41 Degrees Celsius | 44 Degrees Celsius | 45 Degrees Celsius |
| Power Draw | 80W | 100W | 131W | 140W |
| Noise: Close | 42dB | 42dB | 51dB | 53dB |
| Noise: 1 metre | 40dB | 40dB | 42dB | 42dB |
| Noise: 3 metres | 40dB | 40dB | 41dB | 41dB |
Xbox One
| Idle | Blu-ray | Gaming | Gaming + Disc Install | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Max Temp | 35 Degrees Celsius | 37 Degrees Celsius | 49 Degrees Celsius | 49 Degrees Celsius |
| Power Draw | 65W | 77W | 125W | 125W |
| Noise: Close | 42dB | 43dB | 42dB | 43dB |
| Noise: 1 metre | 40dB | 41dB | 41dB | 41dB |
| Noise: 3 metres | 40dB | 40dB | 40dB | 40dB |
PS4 said than ps4 was 41db and Xbox One 40db, and than ps4 was 44 degrees celsius and Xbox One 49.
Well, "if you lie me once, it will be your fault, if you lie me twice, it will be my fault"
Md Ray
Member
That's a FUDDER, not a game developer.
ethomaz
Banned
Do you really believe Odium?
And do you really believe than a 500$ machine can endure 2,23GHZ without breaking, sooner or later?
Mr Moose
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ethomaz
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Yeap the clock is below the usual RDNA 2 clock with way higher CU count.
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RX 5700 has 40 CUs (while ps5 has 36 CUs).
RX 5700 has boost mode (controlled overclocking) of 1,9GHZ. PS5 has 2,23 GHZ, it´s crazy. With ps4 cheap plastic fan.
ps5 are now in the market as soldiers in the frontline.
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BlueXImpulse
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Did someone in this thread call Gavin Stevens a developer?
The 5700 is not an RDNA 2 gpu.
RX 5700 has 40 CUs (while ps5 has 36 CUs).
RX 5700 has boost mode (controlled overclocking) of 1,9GHZ. PS5 has 2,23 GHZ, it´s crazy. With ps4 cheap plastic fan.
ps5 are now in the market as soldiers in the frontline.
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PS5 is a 500$ machine enduring frecuencies of 1000$ GPU PC cards in overclocking. PS5 are falling, and it´s only the beggining. Sony was so eager to win a pirric victory in digital foundry wars, that is sending ps5 to consumers as soldiers in the frontline. Good luck if they can survive the payback.
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Still, the 5700 is not an RDNA 2 gpu.
And so far...looks like the Series X TF amounts was for the pyrrhic victory.
John Wick
Member
Seeing as your nothing but an idiot who just pulls information from anywhere without any proof. This will by my last reply to your trolling.
"in an ambient 23-degree environment - as close as we could get to our PlayStation 4 testing. That's 15W off our measured PS4 peak and almost the same temperature level. The difference is noise: Xbox One is a remarkably quiet machine - virtually silent during front-end and media tasks and even at maximum load after several hours' worth of Ryse gameplay (curiously, Forza 5 appears to draw 10W less). It's to the point where the Blu-ray drive actually seems to make more noise than the cooling system, which is good news for gamers (after the game has installed anyway), but perhaps not quite so good news for BD movie viewers, where the machine is louder than PlayStation 4. Perhaps the vast array of air vents on the Xbox One casing allows the noise from the internals to travel more easily."
Digital Foundry
Your right You are a fool!
You clown how come mobile phones with 8 core CPU's and GPU's running at high clocks in far more compact spaces without active cooling aren't failing? Thermal limit dopey the device clocks down when too hot. The PS5 will do the same. If it couldn't keep them clocks AMD would know or do you think an idiot troll like you knows better? Be off with you armchair expert
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John Wick
Member
My point still stands a game developer isn't a console engineer unless it's CernyLMAO, you bloody troll
He doesn't make games.
BlitzerRadic
Member
this clown tryna act like he's droppin knowledge on the laws of thermodynamics and he can't even spell it right lol
Alphagear
Member
John Wick
Member
It is a beefy fan. It's wide so it provides cooling from both sides
John Wick
Member
Yeah I think he's doing a Dusk Golem. Because MS and Series X is getting outdone on the multipats he's here spreading fud to even it up. Don't stop the good fight soldier
GHG
Gold Member
"game developer"?
You know what, some of you are genuinely stupid and deserve to be duped by Microsoft's dodgy and dishonest marketing.
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT: Navi 22 GPU + 12GB GDDR6 = mid-range killer
AMD's new Radeon RX 6700 series teased, RX 6700 XT would feature Navi 22 GPU + 16GB RAM while RX 6700 would feature Navi 21 XL GPU.
www.tweaktown.com
Maybe when the cu amount is revealed, we can finally stop using the 5700 as a reference point for the PS5.