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[INSOMNIAC LEAK] PlayStation Studios PC ports sales figures for Steam have leaked
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Fabieter
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Pls do you think every decision has an immediate effect on the market. They are pretty safe in this generation. If there is no shift of console sales, game sales and subs by the time the next generation comes out than you might have a point.
Mowcno
Member
They're games released 2+ years late on PC. Of course they aren't going to sell anywhere near what they do on PlayStation. People are buying a PS5 to play them which is why PS5 hardware isn't tanking like Xbox since they put their games day one on pc.
The cost to port these PlayStation games to PC is drastically smaller than the cost to develop a game. I am sure they're all profitable.
The date at the bottom right is a typo. This is apparently sales as of February 2023.
PC games for Sony are some extra income after the games potential to move console hardware is mostly gone and it's seemingly profitable enough for them to continue.
The cost to port these PlayStation games to PC is drastically smaller than the cost to develop a game. I am sure they're all profitable.
The date at the bottom right is a typo. This is apparently sales as of February 2023.
PC games for Sony are some extra income after the games potential to move console hardware is mostly gone and it's seemingly profitable enough for them to continue.
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rofif
Banned
Ps5 is only breaking records because Xbox sucks ass and everyone got a switch already. Sony barely doing anything well.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The porting costs of these are negligible and much of the work is done along side the PS version. Nvidia often uses these titles to showcase their tech, which helps offset the very minor porting costs. They’re clearly making profit as they just announced Forbidden West is coming to PC, so there’s your fucking answer as to opportunity cost.
I come at you and just beat your ass down. Please let me do it again.
daninthemix
Member
So you're saying Switch 2 and the Activision acquisition are causes for concern?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Oh they’re clearly barely anything well. Outselling the competition by 3:1 and exceeding previous sales records. Just released an audience and critically acclaimed AAA game. Yeah..,they’re clearly doing barely anything well which is pretty funny coming from a guy with a Gears of War avatar, a brand associated with a company who only knows how to run things into the ground and buy up studios.
Midn1ght
Member
If they start releasing day and date, I'd be willing to wait for long term effect, though even there I don't think it would impact console sales one bit. PC gamer and console gamer are 2 different market, with current GPU prices I can't see a mass exodus of console players going PC happening. Even if PC was cheap, console players like their console experience, you won't see them jump ship unless Sony completely fucked up like Xbox did.
But here, porting 2 years old games that already exhausted their sale power on console have literally zero effect on their console market. Not now, not in 10 years. They prioritize the console and use PC for easy extra money. Look, as popular and as beautiful Sony's first party games are, some of them still have low sales on console (Sackboy, Returnal, Ratchet). And these games aren't cheap to make.
The extra money they get from PC is welcome, easy and will actually push some impatient PC gamer to go grab a PS5 to play the latest sequel if they enjoyed the previous game on PC.
It's all good.
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tusharngf
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One of my friend only played God of war for 5hrs but he got 200hrs into don't starve. I played don't starve and it gets better every single day when you learn new ways to survive. My point is cinematic games don't provide any new experiences nowadays.
Midn1ght
Member
In my view, when it comes to games, nothing has changed.
They still release beautiful looking, optimized big AAA single player experience that sell like hotcakes every time.
What negative points are you talking about? Price increase? GAAS push? Canceled games? Shit subscription offering?
How is that PC's fault?
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Sentenza
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1- I doubt that's typically the case when these freaks whine about it, generally speaking. It's just fanboy-ish behavior.
2- I wouldn't give a fuck, regardless.
3- "Diminishing the pull of the console" doesn't necessarily mean Sony making less money, to begin with. In fact. the more these PC releases would manage to grow and "diminish the pull of the console", the more it would implicitly mean that Sony is making MORE money on the platform.
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balls of snow
Member
Depends on how cheap the ports are.
Senua
Gold Member
Don't even bother with those half-brains stuck in 2006 gamefaqs land
Mowcno
Member
Yeah a typo. It's Feb 2023. You can tell by the dates they give for the games that they're using that date format. (And they state 6 months of sales for Spiderman)
Midn1ght
Member
Pre-order numbers maybe? Expected sales?
Though again, these are coming from a leak, we have to be careful about what's real and what's not.
I mean, they have a graph with Spiderman 3 and Wolverine cost and profit. Weird.
SantaC
Member
PC wants good games like souls
GHG
Gold Member
They go on sale, frequently. They are also available on 3rd party key stores (which isn't included in this data).
But I don't understand why you're now turning to price when you were previously making the suggestion that the games aren't really worth it.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
The only current-gen PS5 game I can see becoming a success on PC is Gran Turismo 7. The rest? Meh.
Topher
Gold Member
I would have expected Spider-man to have sold a lot more, honestly.
It's really a no-brainer. Dev costs are minimal. Sales are not massive, but the profit margin is huge.
I wish but they are not going to compete with their own platform day one.
The games are also on EGS and probably not included here.
We also know that games have longer legs on PC, they'll keep selling their entire catalogue 10 years from now. On console, they'll just sell you another remaster for 80 USD.
Like I said, they've released 10 games so far and probably made close to half a billion in profit without hurting the PS5 numbers one bit.
Basically funding 2 AAA games with low effort and late releases that nobody buys anymore on console. Easy money.
Forbidden West is coming and we know Demon's Souls and Tsushima are on the way, so yeah, not gonna stop anytime soon.
Edit: Saw this on the other place. LOL
2.6m to port Ratchet.
Just an email to get funded.
It's really a no-brainer. Dev costs are minimal. Sales are not massive, but the profit margin is huge.
I wish but they are not going to compete with their own platform day one.
Senua
Gold Member
But they are intertwined, the price makes them not as worth a punt to the average PC gamer who doesn't play these type of games. My opinion on HZD as a game is irrelevant I don't enjoy survival games either but they sell like hotcakes for a reason. The reason for the low sales numbers are a mix of a foreign audience and bad pricing. You have to entice a new audience in, not make them roll their eyes at full price ports.
Btw yes they are on sale later down on the line but most forget about them by that point. People are fickle. I still believe Sony is happy with the profits being made on PC and they will continue to be made.
Lucifers Beard
Member
Release them day 1 with PS5 and I think they'll be surprised at how much better they sell. Most people that want to play those games will already have done so on PS4/PS5. Also haven't they had a couple of really shit ports? I remember TLOU being fucking dreadful.
John Bilbo
Member
I've bought the first three games on the list. I will buy Returnal soonish.
Would buy Bloodborne in an instant.
Would buy Bloodborne in an instant.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Are people joking? These sales figures are pretty damn good.
3.3M for HZD, a game that was over 3-years old when it came to PC. 2.5M for GOW?
A team of four guys ported GOW over 2 years with a little help. The port likely cost them less than 3M and they probably brought in over $50M. HZD was a return of investment of 250% within like a month. What the fuck were people expecting lol?
Sony was assessing the interest with those ports. They'll continue porting GOW, Horizon, Spider-Man, and whatever Sony Bend does next. Ghost of Tsushima will also do very well I would guess. Sackboy was bound to be a flop so no surprise there. Uncharted 4 is meh but 4th entry in the series. You either port 1-3 or don't bother.
Were you expecting those old games to sell 10M?
3.3M for HZD, a game that was over 3-years old when it came to PC. 2.5M for GOW?
A team of four guys ported GOW over 2 years with a little help. The port likely cost them less than 3M and they probably brought in over $50M. HZD was a return of investment of 250% within like a month. What the fuck were people expecting lol?
Sony was assessing the interest with those ports. They'll continue porting GOW, Horizon, Spider-Man, and whatever Sony Bend does next. Ghost of Tsushima will also do very well I would guess. Sackboy was bound to be a flop so no surprise there. Uncharted 4 is meh but 4th entry in the series. You either port 1-3 or don't bother.
Were you expecting those old games to sell 10M?
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Senua
Gold Member
People are used to seeing PS4/5 numbers, they don't realise or care how little these ports cost to make. But they DO care about brand devaluation or whatever other fanboy drivel they spout. The profit margins are huge at full price indeed.
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Zathalus
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Several million for a game that that has been out for a few years isn't bad. Uncharted doesn't even have the first three games on PC. Not sure what people were expecting.
Hopefully those that claim that this is hurting PS5 sales can shut up about it. The only people that are buying these are the double dippers and those that will never buy a console.
Hopefully those that claim that this is hurting PS5 sales can shut up about it. The only people that are buying these are the double dippers and those that will never buy a console.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'm surprised how utterly retarded some of these comments are. Sony's strategy is to squeeze out the last couple of sales available on PC because they know (and want) 90% of them will be on Playstation...hence why they wait 2 years to release them on PC. I was actually expecting worse numbers for most of them. Well, except for Sackboy but this also flopped on Playstation and there was no way it was doing well on PC.
I got the feelings with these numbers that ports aren't stopping. If anything, Sony might pour in more money to get higher quality ports out the door. They will be more selective, however. Horizon released in a rough state after all.
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sncvsrtoip
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Looks like waste of resources, Nixxes is probably capable do their own game.
Fabieter
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Well 1. Most of them probably ain't, just saying that there is good reason to care.
2. You aint investing in anything aint you?
3. I would agree if sony would make their own launcher so anyone pulled away to pc could still buy third partys on their store. That's not the case with releasing on steam and epic game store.
Well that's okay different people like different things. I love the touhou project shoot em ups, I doubt alot of people are on the page than that.
Well to say that day and date won't have any effect on consoles shoes you aint arguing in good faith here. Sony definitely disagree with you here or else they would announce all future exclusives coming day and date like Microsoft did a few years back.
It's hard to say if current strategy will have a longlasting impact but to say it has to be in the first 4 years isnt right.
DavidGzz
Member
More like small town girl went through so many dicks that she was no longer desirable, and her pimp(marketing) didn't try as hard to make us aware of her presence. Launching at day 1 prices is also not going to hook PC gamers who can buy similar games for a fraction of the cost.
Also, Sony releases bangers but they are one and done affairs. I usually double dip if a game has a lot of replay. Something Like Elden Ring or GTA6 will have me buying them time and time again. Spiderman and GoW, not so much.
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Midn1ght
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I think that releasing their games on console first is the correct strategy for them. A Sony first party game release is an event, sell a ton and drive people toward the console so I'm not mad at it.
Day and date not significantly hurting the console business is my personal opinion, big third party studios like CD Projekt Red or From Software still find success releasing everywhere simultaneously and usually pushes people to buy consoles as well. But again, with how successful Sony's console is, I think their strategy is on point.
Fabieter
Member
Do you have a source for the port costs including QA?
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Haven't most of the ports been pretty terrible?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Initially:
HZD: Terrible
Days Gone: Great
GOW: Great
Spider-Man: Good
Miles Morales: Good
Uncharted: Good
Sackboy: Mediocre
Returnal: Good
TLOU: Abysmal
yurinka
Member
Not sure if fake or not, the format isn't a standard one seen in other documents.
But looking doing the Steam reviews x25 estimate the numbers seem to match more or less as they were around February, when this document says it was made. The exception is Horizon because the estimation says around 2.6M sales, but the other ones are realistic.
The idea of the comparison graph is that Spider-Man sold in 6 months almost the same than Days Gone did in 1.5 years. And that since Horizon, GoW and Days Gone are having legs, Spider-Man will end selling more than the other 3.
In fact, as of today, with around 15 months instead of 6, Spider-Man should be around over 2M looking at Steam reviews and Morales around 730K.
If they'd quit, it would be SIE/Sony heads who would complain, since this is a highly profitable business for them with very low risk. Each one of these games already generated most of the money it could on PS, and the work of a few guys during a few months it generates several extra millions of dollars, over 100M each in the case of the best selling ones. Remember that these sales are mostly full priced, with a small number of not very aggresive discounts.
Combined, PC ports give them hundreds of millions in profit per year and their revenue is growing fast year after year.
And if this other supposedly leaked image is real (I assume it's a chart for the first year of PS sales for each game), the PC port alone of Spider-Man Remastered already generated enough money to cover these (development) costs.
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Midn1ght
Member
They've been a porting studio for 23 years, that's what they do.
They will also help with remasters on PS5.
Senua
Gold Member
Nope, but Sony wouldn't continue to make these ports if they didn't turn a nice profit. It's win win for Sony, only it's hardcore fans have a problem with it, for whatever reason.
Fabieter
Member
Without knowing what their pc strategy is? Maybe profits are tiny but they have pc for their longterm strategy. Set all the framework and be more aggressive on pc in the future we don't know. Saying they don't immediately stop so it must be highly profitable is jumping to conclusions.
Astray
Member
That's how I did it as well. Enabled me to get around some regional pricing bullshit.
Pedro Motta
Member
What these numbers tell me is: PC players understood what they were missing on Playstation and went and got a PS5. The more releases Sony does, more PC players are converting over time.
Thats why PS5 will beat the PS2 sales record.
Thats why PS5 will beat the PS2 sales record.
Not true story, I'm kidding obviously.
T-Cake
Member
I have the PS5 but won't be buying brand new games on it, it's basically just a PS+ machine. So if I find a game that is good on PS+, then I'll generally hop over to Steam and buy it on there. This holiday I will be looking to pick up several PS Studios games like Sackboy, The Last of Us. But it's just a case of them being priced too high for "old" releases, we all know PC gamers like to spend, spend, spend on their rigs but scrimp, scrimp, scrimp on the games. 
LazyParrot
Member
They really should have ported Bloodborne instead of a bunch of games only the five or so PC gamers who hang out on console boards asked for.
Fabieter
Member
But if old games don't sell why would Bloodborne be any different?
turns out old ports aint the problem after all